Forum Post: Stop World War Three
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 9, 2011, 5:05 p.m. EST by zorno
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It is essential for members of the Occupy Wall Street movement to become aware of the emerging threat of World War Three and do everything possible to stop it before it starts.
The movement towards World War Three is seen in increasing US and Israeli troop build up in the middle east into a full scale nuclear arsenal directed primarily at Iran. Because of Iran's connections to the super powers Russia and China, any threat to it is a threat to them.
An attack on Iran would quickly turn into a regional war effecting parts of Russia and China, possibly drawing them into a thermo nuclear war with the United States.
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What! How do you expect the government to reduce the population to fit the job market without WWIII?
Good point, let us embrace the apocalypse given there are now over 7 billion of us now.
Some of this could be explained as a way to manipulate oil prices.
Imagine buying lots oil futures way out of the money before military action against Iran. When the Iranian oil supplies are "interrupted", the Persian Gulf is closed and US refineries on the Caspian Sea are destroyed, somebody is going to make a killing.
Maybe so. I think there are many connections between the financial crisis and the potential for World War Three. Consider that World War Two followed the Great Depression.
Some say that tensions in the Middle East have been cultivated for the very purpose of starting a world war in Asia. The western oligarchies are thought to resent the economic development of Asian nations, and to want a big war to destabilize the whole continent.
Unfortunately, these are madmen who hope that they can survive in bunkers while most of the population is wiped out, and then take over what remains of the world.
WWThree (с) - is the product designed to attract attention to it. To divert attention from the problem of protesters.
Do not exchange OWS on WW3(c)!
It was nice of George Bush to send a dozen of those neutron missiles to Iran so they could wipe out Israel, good sense by Iran to take them back to the border and tell Obama to pick them up..............but he did not, a very curious move by the President
The shadow US Government is trying to kick start a war between Iran and Israel but Iran is to smart for them, unfortunately Israel is not quite as smart. They are losing control and will soon be no problem to us any more.
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If you think Russia and China (not allies by the way) would go to war - much less a thermonuclear war - over Iran (which is not an ally of Russia or China) your tin foil hat is screwed on so tight it's cut off the circulation to your brain.
Russia can't even afford to send a halfway decent competitor to the World's Strongest Man competition, much less a third world war.
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After waht they done in Libya and got away with with no objection from the protest movements round the world..They can do what ever they like..
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From my calculations, an Israeli preemptive strike on Iran would prompt a counterattack against Israel as well as all proximal US military bases and oil interest in the region which will prompt a retalitory strike by the GCC bloc and eventually force the hand of US and British military intervention in air & most likely ground support. With it's Iron dome defence and warning system, Israel will suffer the least in this debacle. On the other hand, the destruction of our vulnerable oil interest near the gulf coast will cause oil prices to skyrocket higher than they've ever been. Unknowingly to the American public, this situation is the exact reasoning why our government has allowed the sales of high tech military weapons to the GCC nations as well as gifting the Israelis enough of our top secret bunker busters to perfurate the centrifuges in Natanz & Ghom. Because Iran is known to have one of the world largest oil & gas reserves, the bounties of this war would end up a lot better than what we won in Iraq. Like Iraq, any new regime in Iran would be "forced" to accept trading in US currencies and be open to contracts from US companies. And I'm sure this new regime will be just as divided as those in Iraq & Afghanistan, diminishing their threat forever...almost. Truman Doctrin, Gulf of Tonkin & S. Korea: Containment of Asia & Communism Israel, WMDs, Afg/Pak: Containment of Arabia & Islam etc...etc...
The bounty you mention is what they hope for, but don't you think this will develop into a nuclear war between the US, Russian and China? Some people say this is what they want, for the purpose of reducing the population, while the oligarchs try to survive in their bunkers?
It wont go that far, after our involvement we will persuade Russia/China into a deal that allows for a pro-US regime in exchange for lower Iranian oil prices in the Asian market. The downside of this is millions of innocent Persians abruptly losing their lives for the sake of expanding our interest in the region. We went thru this process one to many times before...
Unfortunately, I believe the intention of the people trying to get this going is to actually reduce the population dramatically.
It's more about control of oil and money. Our leaders understand that only thru force can we secure our future dependence on oil. I guarantee you, after our pillaging of the middle east, Venezuela and maybe even Brazil will be next on our hit list. This is capitalism at its best...to smile while you kill.
Larouche? Oh, for the love of God, will you right-wing phonies get your own websites and stop trying to confuse and distort communication here? Where are the moderators?
Larouche is a moderate democrat. Look at the discussion this post has generated. People are interested in discussing this issue.
Larouche, a moderate democrat? Now I've heard it all! Look him up on wikepedia, or any other objective sourse. That's rediculous.
Lulz it says he's a democrat on Wikipedia.
Yeah, with ties to the KKK. You read that part? You want me to post excerpts of his WEIRD career here? The way he liked to attack demonstrators with clubs and stuff. You sir, are a liar and a front man for the ideas of a maniac. Who lifted the rock?
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I am not supporting this guy at all. My comment just pointed out that wikipedia did say he was a democrat. You sir, are acting weird in your response.
I'm sorry, I intended that comment for the guy who posted this. We need to distinguish clearly those ideas that advance this movement from those that distract and misdirect it.
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Larouche has been advocating the same ideas as this movement for decades before it even existed. He has long been a critic of Wall Street and an advocate of financial reform. He particularly supports the reinstatement of Glass Steagall.
Why don't you read his website instead of what other people say about him?
Sorry, I REMEMBER his thugs bashing the Yippies with clubs in Chicago. I don't have to read nothin!
Larouche is a follower if people like Roosevelt and Kennedy. He believes in the same policies. That's what I would call a moderate democrat.
Bullshit!
I think you must never have read what Larouche says, and just have seen what other people have said about him.
Nuclear power should be illegal. anything that can destroy all of humanity should be ruled out. ww4 will be fought with sticks and stones
Right now, nuclear power is the only place to go. France (one of the lib's favorites) has been powering their country with a majority of nuclear power for years with no mishaps. Unfortunately, the plans for nuclear development in the US has been stopped by the environmentalists by tying the power companies up in court. Useful idiots is the term that comes to mind. The only other realistic option (right now) is natural gas, but you guess it; the environmentalists don't like that either. The energy requirements of the world will likely double within the next 20-25 years as population continues to increase and nations begin to move from agriculture to information and services-based societies. ALL options of energy should be developed to include geo-thermal, solar, bio, etc. But to rule out nuclear because a class of weapons with the same name is childish thinking.
If we don't develop nuclear energy, where will we be when fossil fuels run out? Do you really think an advanced society can power itself off of solar and wind power? If we don't develop alternative energy sources that are powerful, we will return to the middle ages.
geothermal, thorium(nuclear power which can't be harnessed for weaponry), nanotech applied to solar, wave, tidal, hemp biofuel, and many many more alternatives which are largely suppressed by current energy monopolies.
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World Wars One and Two happened. Why would you think that World War Three would be out of the question? It would follow on a financial crisis, just like World War Two followed on the Great Depression.
Iran is part of a new proxy cold war between China and USA
seeing as how tied together all the economies are, I highly doubt this scenario would occur.
I hope you are right, but I am concerned that you are not.
of course there is impending WW3. that became apparent when bush started the wheels turning. you are much too late to think it can be avoided now.
I would think that someone who is involved with a protest movement would have a little more hope than that. OWS closed a port in Oakland. From what I've heard, that kind of thing, when done on a wider level has stopped wars before.
yes but not this war. most wars are over land WW;s are over someone trying to rule everything.
Do you think that a war and destruction of most of the human race is inevitable? I would agree with you that certain people do intend for that to happen. War's are unpredictable though.
it is at this point.. this wasnt always true there was time to avoid this but that time passed after bush was elected.
Possibly, but there is a growing impeach Obama movement, which I believe could have the desired effect.
i dont think it matters what name you put on the office of president.. its too late now to rectify the gross misconduct of that office when it was named bush. who you put in that office will not change anything as far as a WW is concerned.
Do you think that OWS can accomplish anything constructive?
yes i think they will at the very least.. get people to think.. and that scares people in power. so the people in power will affect some changes to get the people to stop thinking. perhaps a WW?
Perhaps so, but that is why OWS people should be made aware of the threat of a World War.
Is LaRouche out of prison? Is he off his meds again?
Sometimes good men go to jail because they oppose the ruling elite. Many OWS activists are now experiencing this for themselves.
This will only take a minute. We have a message for OWSers. You capitalize on dividing Americans. Claiming people that agree with you is complete BS. And you promote discrimination. This does not help the American people
Can't say that I know what you are talking about.
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Thanks, nice website you have, I'll continue reading it.
Not sure about the complete democracy as opposed to a republic though. A republic is supposed to be based on principles, whereas a complete democracy could become a form of mob rule. What do you think?
Stop WWIII? Why would we want to do that. WWIII is exactly what we are here to get started. Play the steps out.
Tahir Square Revolution brings the looting of the Israeli embassy and incursions by Egypt into Israeli territory
OWS declares solidarity with the Egyptian revolutionaries as they begin to purge Egypt of the Coptic Christians
Iran pushes forward at max speed for it's first nuke
Israel, feeling isolated, does what it must to protect itself from the unthinkable with a series of bombing runs on Iran's nuclear facilities
OWS pushes to block any spending cuts of any sort in the US, while our debt levels hit the tipping point
Newly "Democratic" Islamic countries surrounding Israel attack Israel in retaliation for bombing Iran.
US steps in to support it's ally in the middle East
It all rolls down hill from there. We are never going to reset the capitalist system without WWIII. Embrace it man.
Are you insane? WWIII? Reset the capitalist system? Have you ever heard of a field of study called History? Find one system of government / commerce that has been as successful as capitalism in the history of the world. (Waiting,...) Now, please identify one system that has replaced a capitalist system that "worked" for the benefit of the masses, rather than the few at the heads of government. (Waiting again...) And as for starting WWIII in order to "reset" the capitalist system; do you think the debts of capitalist countries will simply be erased? What does "reset" mean to you? I'm not exactly sure how WWIII will begin, or towards what end, but if it is fought on a global scale with nuclear weapons, I'm fairly certain WW IV will be fought with sticks and rocks. And no "systems" , capitalist or other will survive. You obviously have no clue of the problems facing the world economy or realistic solutions. You should spend more time with your X-box and let the grown-ups discuss serious topics.
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Yes, but there are different kinds of capitalism. Our current system is finance capitalism, in which the financiers make all the money. Industrial capitalism is an alternative in which industrial workers are the ones who are well paid.
Finance capitalism serves the interests of imperialism while industrial capitalism is based on the American Economic System, which is nationalistic.
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That is just sickening. What is wrong with you? You too will perish in a nuclear war.
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America would never launch first and, IF Iran ever got nukes and decided t launch them, China and Russia would never condone it, let alone stop the US, Israel, France, or Britain from launching nukes back.
It's like North Korea. Sure they may have one, but if they ever used it on South Korea or Japan, China would step back and let everyone else wipe them off the map.
First off, let's get our facts straight.
America DID launch first. TWICE. A conventional war turned nuclear and killed hundreds of thousands of mostly civilians.
I wonder why the US is developing "light nuclear weapons"...
Generally, I agree. But among today's political leaders, I think there is a category of madmen who think that they can pull this off.
In the big three, I don't think so. We had 9 people over a period of 45 year with their finger on the button. The Russians had 8 and the Chinese 3. None of them were dumb enough to push it.
Our "Dear Leader" however thinks it's fun to take pock shots as South Korean troops and kidnap people (women) from Japan for ransom (and sex) while our great friend Ali Khamenei thinks it's kosher to give guns to terroists so that they can shoot Isrealies (I don't care what your thoughts are on the Jews or Israel, is not a good thing to).
Even India and Pakastan have been able to "keep in in their pants" dispite haveing actually attacked eachother. I really don't trust the last two inductees to the nuclear club
Believe me I hope your right. But I've been reading an increasing amount of news about this and I think it is important at least for people to talk about it.
ANYTHING spewed from LaDouche is the equivalent of fecal matter.
You don't sound like a very happy banker to me.
Pretty darn happy!
Are you really a banker?
Used to be. Financial Planner now.
Oh, my next door neighbor was like that too. Lost his job as a banker then went into financial planning.
Are you here because you agree or disagree with OWS?
I was a FP with a large bank. I left to join a small private FP firm. Banks are too greedy and corrupt. They didn't really understand FP anyway so I got tired of it. OWS means alot of different things to alot of different people. I don't support or oppose things that I don't understand.
What is it that you dislike about Larouche so much?
Everytime I read or listen to him, it's the same old conspiracy theory story. If it rains tomorrow, he would claim Bush and Cheney ordered NASA to manipulate the atmosphere. Maybe it's just me but he seems like a nutjob.
Oh well, at least you read some of it.
I can understand how you would think that way. I was a member of a secret society myself for quite a while so I do know that there are groups with secret agendas. For me, it seems natural that conspiracy would happen.
I don't doubt that at all. Maybe I should give him more time to grow on me. Do you believe his stuff?
I do, and for me, it's not mostly about conspiracy, but rather about the solution that he proposes, which is to return to the American System of Economics. We have been operating on the system of Globalization, which I believe is a form of imperialism.
The American System is equally Republican and Democratic, having been practiced both by Lincoln as well as Roosevelt and Kennedy. It was the system in which a national bank was able to make low interest rate loans for economic development. It could make these loans because it did not have to pay big profits to private owners, instead the people profited from the development of the economy.
The money would be invested into infrastructure projects which would pay off the low interest rate loans over a period of say fifty years. Emphasis would be on high tech forms of transportation, energy, water management.
NAWAPA for example, is a project that would bring water from Alaska, where about 50% of the fresh water falls in the US, and bring it down to the central American desert. Here, agriculture, and eventually cities would be developed. A more overall approach to development than just building houses.
As the water becomes precipitation, it would spread out all over the US replenishing our depleted underground water supplies, and greening the whole nation, both with agriculture and wild plants.
China and Russia hate each other almost as much as Sunnis and Shiites do. They can't agree on if they should lend us money or just come here for a job. Don't let fear rule your conscience. Everyone was scared of Hitler too but still he's gone and we're arguing.
Haven't you hear about all the joint projects Russia and China are undertaking? Especially the development of the Siberian area which is rich in mineral resources. China and Russia have agreed on a series of deals to work together in developing this area.
The US is invited to join in, especially in building a bridge over or tunnel under the Bering Strait to connect Asia and the Americas by train. Instead, the Anglo/US faction resent this agreement for development and want to turn the clock backwards by starting a war in the area.
They may have ventures that are motivated by money and will find new ways to screw each other because: They hate each others guts. China is huge and the population is unsustainable. They feed their people....nothing. No internet...nothing. Russia is run by thugs. No elections...like the Tzar days. They don't stand a chance against American know-how and especially American love of freedom. If China screws with us they lose 2 trillion they lent us. They're done. Eating each other. If Russia screws with us they will be still be Russia. Poor and useless to the world. Don't be paranoid. Stand strong and know that even when America needs change, she's millions of light years ahead of those barbarians.
You think of these countries in quite a different way than I do. I lived in China for a year, and had a good internet connection, though some things were filtered. The west filters the internet also, google certainly does. My year in China was one of the best years in my life actually.
Those countries have corruption as you say, but they are experiencing genuine economic growth, which is making life better for a lot of people. If the US wants to help, it should get involved in these economic development projects and allow American citizens to act as good role models.
Ahh. I agree with that. I know that China is making strides. They still have a very, very long way to go. I am for them though. China can be the friend that helps us control the little trouble makers and helping EVERYONE to flourish. I do not put these countries down. I try not to. I am just trying to say that although we have a long way to go, we are so far ahead. Still the leader. In freedom. That's the big one, not the guns and bombs. What did you do in China? Why did you leave? Just curious.
I taught English in china. I left because of certainly difficulties to life there. Often there is an animosity towards westerners. Its difficult if you experience this everywhere you go. Though teaching was a great experience, and I was really impressed by the good heartedness of some of the women I met, particularly my ex girlfriend, whom I am starting to think I shouldn't have left.
I agree that we are far ahead, but unfortunately are falling backwards. We need to get moving forwards again and an alliance with Russia and China, two countries that we have a lot in common with, could be a major factor.
I'm thinking of going back to China to teach, but worry that the animosity will grow if these events continue to develop.
I hear you. Impressive. I've traveled a bit, through Europe etc. There is a lot of animosity to Americans and much of it is justified. The Ugly American refuses to acknowledge wisdom and culture that he can't grasp. He is arrogant and sloppy and wasteful. Still he jumps onto the beach at Normandy an saves the entire planet. They do owe us. Maybe not the Chinese so much but the Russians without our help and we without theirs would have surely failed. Too bad we couldn't build on that after the war. I get your point but this thread is about WW III. To back down for fear would be a HUGE mistake. Iran cannot have the bomb. Even the Saudis know that. When you struggle with what to do with Iran just remember that they were the most successful at putting down their protests. The ugliest most despicable regime....not people. I know Iranians. They hate the religious fanatics. Good luck. Sounds like another visit to China may be in order.
Thank you! It's either China, or maybe Argentina, where I started a school with a friend a while back. Actually I like Chinese culture better, but Argentina is all white people and they all accept me as one of them.
I think that Iran mostly just wants nuclear power. We all are going to run out of oil eventually, and we'll be in a mess if we don't have an alternative energy source by then. I think we need to work out the problems of nuclear energy as much as possible now before we run out of oil.
Having traveled a bit myself, I would actually say that the US is a more polite society than China or South America anyway.
Don't buy the 'power' card. Iran has more natural gas than anyone. That's the reason Russia and China even give a shit about them. Anyway, I agree about American hospitality. But don't be black in a white neighborhood and vice-versa. Thanks for the honesty and intelligence in conversation. You are what OWS needs.
Thanks again, you are too kind.
But regarding natural gas and other fossil fuels, no matter how much we have of them, they will eventually run out. I think we have to think of ourselves as completely upgrading our energy sources every century or so. Eg. after fission is fusion, then anti matter, and who knows what after that.
I'm glad to see someone with such enviable qualities as yourself as part of the movement as well.
I know that this is true I'm just saying that I cannot trust the Iranian regime. Sad but true. Their intention has been nukes all along. They have been spewing hate since 1979. They erected their Hezbollah proxy army in Lebanon with the sole aim of raining the 40,000+ missiles they put there in the last couple of years. I see through them. Plain as day. I am ALL for the end of fossil fuels. I predict that an American at MIT or some such school will invent/discover the thing that pulls the US and ultimately the world out of this mess. I am optimistic. Mostly I am optimistic because I believe that people are inherently good and good continues to triumph. Too bad the sacrifices are SOOoooooooooooo high. Have a great night.
I think the Iranians would realize that any nuclear attack they might make would assure their own complete destruction. Have a good evening yourself. Hope to talk to you another time.
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you're the only one on this thread that got it right.