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Forum Post: Stock Market Hits Another All Time High

Posted 1 year ago on May 31, 2013, 8:02 a.m. EST by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL
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Crushing the dollar, and forcing all the savers into riskier investments- wall st- than they should be in.

A stock market, mind you, that is 100% dependent on bailouts and goes up regardless of what the news is.

Thank you again Democrats and Republicans for allowing this thieving to continue under your watches as usual.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/01/08-0

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[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4835) 1 year ago

Good article. Engineered crash is coming.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Yeah, the shit's probably going to hit the fan in the next year or two:

http://necsi.edu/research/social/foodprices/crisis/

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Yet still the unreasonable fear of Article V is still keeping people from even thinking of using their first constitutional right.

Cognitive infiltration make the fear look much worse than it is to the unwary lurker. Despite the fact that nothing of substance ever supports it, there is a remnant of reluctance seated in the chronic ignorance.

If only people would read, reference and think. I know with the BS infiltrators yammering it seems too much. It is not-REFERENCE the strategy of preparatory amendment and know that NO ONE has ever shown how it can fail.

It is only the unreasonable reluctance to undertake the social confrontation of the unreasoned fear that stops us from discussing what we need to do.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Again you continue to ignore the action already in progress = Move to Amend. A necessary step to regaining government if not the very 1st required step.

[-] -2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

You can't show their action as a part of legal process or even advocating such a thing.

I support that movetoamend.org succeed. I signed their petition despite the fact that I personally questioned the director and found that he was legally promoting erroneous strategy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BullF'nShit - the action in motion is fully making use article V - going state by state in building support to have the states call for the amendment.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

They are talking about education when they say "local level". That is not legal action. It's a good thing to do, but not effective on its own.

Do you think they support logical preparation for Article V, which is mostly about education, in a very big way?

Preparatory amendment solves three big problems. All Americans can easily see the constitutionality of proposes amendment effecting these issues.

1)End the abridging of free speech 2)Campaign finance reform 3)Secure the vote

How about you and I work together to try and get them to dialog about the efficacy of preparatory amendment, constitutional intent (controls ART5) and promoting some common sense preparation; if you think they intend to be effective?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There are state level initiatives going on right now - and when they talk about local action it is in an educational capacity to support the amendment change - support in the state that drives local/state government - that when a sufficient level of support is reached it can be called into action for approval.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Links backing what you claim please.

Their educational efforts lack methods to assure constitutional intent by the people, meaning IF an ART5 happens, corporations could start introing their own proposals.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

corporations could start introing their own proposals.

What in the Hell do you think that ALEC and Heritage and CATO are up to???

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Correct, so how does movetoamend plan to stop that crap?

How are they working to assure that all amendments have constitutional intent?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

With a targeted start - removing personhood from corp(se)oRATions and getting their money out of politics.

Then when that is accomplished continue on - with a campaign such as ONE SUBJECT AT A TIME LEGISLATION.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

How do they stop alec from proposing whatever? They are not in control, anyone can propose amendments. How do they assure constitutional intent?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There is no guarantee of control - there is no way to stop ALEC from forwarding their agenda - nothing - that is - except for the support for the change sought = removal of personhood from corp(se)oRATions.That is the issue being forwarded - that is the issue that will be taken-up when we have enough support in the states to call for the issue to be addressed. ALEC will only be defeated by exposing them to the public eye - as being a tool of the corp(se)oRATions that is already forwarding legislation in their own interest - against the interests of the people. This is a goal of move to amend making these tools of the corp(se)oRATions illegal.

BTW - U have offered nothing in your BS talk about calling for an article V convention. Nothing.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

True, I spend all of my time trying to get you accountable to explain what movetoamend is doing.

The ART5 movement has a site and prime is a letter to the clerk of congress asking for an official statement of how many applications there have been.

Http://articlev.org

The people supporting preparatory amendment have posted threads the to sow how we can assure all amendments are constitutional.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who is ArticleV.org you-tube

This states exactly what I have been saying - they are looking to get state by state support - but this vid does not explain what amendments are being called for - no proposed changes to be made.

U think maybe this is why Move To Amend has been endorsed/supported/recommended at OWS Protests?

This document(?) I accessed calls for the repeal of the 17th amendment - which seems to make no sense as it would remove the peoples involvement in the process. In the call for the repeal - there is nothing forwarded as to take it's place - this leaves the people without a plan goal to be achieved by this action.

Excerpt: From Denver Business Journal from the document(?) Article V articlev.com

As originally written, the legislative branch of government was divided into two parts: the House, as representatives of the people; and the Senate, representing the individual states of the Union. In 1913, during a spate of populism, the Senate was changed from representing the interest of the states by the election of senators by the branch of each state's legislature having the most numerous members, to a smaller people's house, with direct elections of two senators from each state by its citizens.

The framers of the Constitution knew that the House of Representatives would be volatile and sway to the winds of public opinion and passion; they required biennial elections for its members. In addition, for an impeachment, including that of the president, they required that only a majority of those members present in the House could do so. Because we have operated in a two-party system for almost two centuries, one or the other party often had a slim majority.

The founders thus recognized the possibility of impeachment being used as a partisan weapon. Alexander Hamilton, in the Federalist Papers, wrote that there will be: "animosities, partialities, influence and interest on one side or the other." He went on to say: "there will always be the greatest dangers that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt."


BTW - the link U provided - does not work. http://articlev.org/

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

I've been to their site many times and the do not mention constitutional intent.

They have no page where they list the state petitions for ART5, because they are not working for ART5. They have a proposed amendment and that is it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U R a determined idiot - congratulations - U made it - IDIOT.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Alec, s proposed amendments can be stopped by the people of the states rejecting amendments for ratification because the amendments DO NOT have constitutional intent.

At this point, the people are the only element that can define constitutional intent. How does movetoamend plan to prepare to empower the people to know that intent?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

OMG u r a thoroughly committed block head.

At this point, the people are the only element that can define constitutional intent.

Go to the site - you will see the intent that the people are being asked to get involved supporting - in local state and federal government.

How does movetoamend plan to prepare to empower the people to know that intent?

By educating the people. Go to the site and get educated - Blockheaded shill.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (551) 3 minutes ago

Alec, s proposed amendments can be stopped by

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And there U go again - saying NOTHING. R U practicing 2 B a professional politician? Talk and talk and talk - continuous repeat - saying nothing.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

No where do they talk about petitions to state legislations and ballot initiatives for ART5. Those the only "legal processes" any official MUST recognize.. If this ain't true, post a link and back up your shit.

https://movetoamend.org/frequently-asked-questions#5

"What is your strategy to get this amendment passed?

Our strategy is to work on the local level before moving on to the state or federal level to build a grassroots movement organized and powerful enough to force Congress to act.

Our primary organizing tool is local resolution campaigns. Resolution campaigns are a powerful way for communities to send a message to Congress and let our representatives know we want them to act.

Click here for a list of resolutions that have been passed or are in progress. Our goal is to get 50 resolutions on local ballots for the Presidential Election in November 2012.

In 2011 Move to Amend groups in three communities (Madison, Boulder and Missoula) passed initiatives by overwhelming majorities. Many other towns and cities passed resolutions through their City Councils.

Click here for our Model Resolutions and information about how to get started in your community.

This is a grassroots campaign - we are encouraging folks to form local Affiliates so they can participate in Move to Amend.

Once a group is an Affiliate, they will be on the Affiliate email listserve for Affiliate updates, have a support team here at Move to Amend, be invited to participate in once a month Coalition conference calls, and have the ability to send announcements to petition signers in their area. Click here to view our FAQ for Affiliates and folks participating in local action with Move to Amend. You can click here to download the Affiliate application here.

When you have an organizing meeting, please remember to list it on the Move to Amend website by clicking on this link: [ Event Announcement ] and filling out the online form so we can help you get the word out!"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I don't know where you get your information from ( your ass? ) but Move To Amend has a wide spread state by state initiative going on right now.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

You do not know the root meaning of the word idiot.

Dictionaries do not even have it.

Meanwhile you have completely failed to show that movetoamend is moving to see states initiate ART5. They are providing some education.

You have completely failed to show that movetoamend had any strategy at all for assuring constitutional intent.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Go talk 2 Ur self - at least u will B talking 2 1 ( on the same level ) as dumb as U just try not to get lost in Ur conversation(?) with Ur self - I am done talking 2 U.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

You find info on it and post it, 'cause I've already looked, 2nd time now. Back up your shit.

We went through this same thing about 5 months ago. You never posted anything from them matching what you said they were doing.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

https://movetoamend.org/resolutions-map

All "U" need to do is look. Check out the site and "ALL" of the information provided.

Are U unable?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

It's not there. You find it if that is not true.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You can't scroll down and find the actions listed that are in progress??? You do not know how to open/access a sites informational links? "That" is pretty sad.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

I'm done looking through their stuff. If you say they have a number of state petitions or ballot initiatives started, share your source. I'm not finding the info you say is there.

Hint, a link begins with http://

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Go stick your head back up your ass as I believe that you are experiencing methane withdrawal. Or pull your head out of your ass as you are experiencing methane poisoning. Only U know which applies to Ur screwed up stinking - ummmm - thinking.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Read the law. I'm only repeating it. You don't know it and movetoamend is not following legal process if they are working for ART5".

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BULLSHIT

Excerpts from Move to Amend

  • What is Move to Amend's position on the other proposals that have been proposed or introduced in Congress?

While it is exciting to see the flurry of momentum and energy that is finally getting some traction in a small segment of Congress, Move to Amend is very clear that it is important that we not let our goals be diluted by our legislators in Washington, even by those who mean well and want to see reform in our political system.

Passing an amendment will be a tough job, so the language must be commensurate with the effort needed to win, and the amendment must be strong and clear enough to end corporate rule - there's no room here for half solutions or ambiguity.

It is our belief that we need to operate on the assumption that once an Amendment comes out of Congress we won't get another shot. So we MUST get it right!

With many competing proposals, it can be confusing to figure out what is what in terms of what the proposals will actually do. We have prepared a summary of each of the amendments proposed, including what is missing from each one.

We also encourage you to check out our article, Why Abolish All Corporate Constitutional Rights, to explain why we feel so strongly that half-way solutions cannot be accepted.

The Move to Amend amendment will clearly establish that money is not speech, corporations are not people, and allows for no loopholes. Our amendment will put people in charge of our government, and corporations in their proper place.

  • What is your strategy to get this amendment passed?

Our strategy is to work on the local level before moving on to the state or federal level to build a grassroots movement organized and powerful enough to force Congress to act.

Our primary organizing tool is local resolution campaigns. Resolution campaigns are a powerful way for communities to send a message to Congress and let our representatives know we want them to act.

Click here for a list of resolutions that have been passed or are in progress. Our goal is to get 50 resolutions on local ballots for the Presidential Election in November 2012.

In 2011 Move to Amend groups in three communities (Madison, Boulder and Missoula) passed initiatives by overwhelming majorities. Many other towns and cities passed resolutions through their City Councils.

Click here for our Model Resolutions and information about how to get started in your community.

This is a grassroots campaign - we are encouraging folks to form local Affiliates so they can participate in Move to Amend. Once a group is an Affiliate, they will be on the Affiliate email listserve for Affiliate updates, have a support team here at Move to Amend, be invited to participate in once a month Coalition conference calls, and have the ability to send announcements to petition signers in their area.

Click here to view our FAQ for Affiliates and folks participating in local action with Move to Amend. You can click here to download the Affiliate application here.

When you have an organizing meeting, please remember to list it on the Move to Amend website by clicking on this link: [ Event Announcement ] and filling out the online form so we can help you get the word out!

  • What will you do with the petition names?

The Motion to Amend is the beginning of a multi-year movement to amend the Constitution. We are not petitioning anyone else to do that for us. Every individual and organization that signs on to the Motion to Amend is a part of this movement. We will continue to reach out to you and to provide support in efforts to win adoption by the states of democracy amendments to the national and state constitutions.

  • Why all this talk about democracy? Isn't the United States a republic?

Our use of the term "democracy" is shorthand for what is technically our political system - a democratic republic with direct election by citizens of other citizens to represent us, We the People. "Democracy" accurately describes, however, the direct ability and power of citizens through education, advocacy and organizing to influence other citizens, the media and elected officials through organizations, campaigns and social movements.

"Democracy" is also an accurate description of the several ways We the People in many states directly govern and bypass elected representatives. These include the initiative, referendum and recall - the power of citizens to create laws, reverse laws and remove elected representatives.

Whether democracy, republic, or democratic republic, they (and we) are all effectively weakened when corporations possess inalienable constitutional rights to influence public opinion, shape public laws, mold public officials and intimidate public communities.

  • What is a Move to Amend resolution, what is the purpose of working to get one passed and are there example resolutions available?

A resolution is a statement of collective support. It is not a law, and thus cannot be overturned by corporate lawyers. By working to pass a resolution more people become aware of this issue and it builds movement momentum.

Passing a resolution is a strong signal to local, state and federal legislators that community members want to see an amendment passed and it puts pressure on these elected officials to act accordingly. The ways in which you can pass a resolution will depend on the laws in the state and locality where you live.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Show how ART5 can be limited. You have already failed to show movetoamend pushing state petitions for ART5. States must apply for ART5, and they are they ONLY ones that can call an ART5 besides congress.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Because U say it is so - does NOT make it so. Anyone who wants can go to the Move to Amend site and educate themselves on the whole business.

U talk about an article V convention - BUT - offer nothing of substance - NOTHING - instead U just keep repeating that an article V convention needs to be called. U offer no structure or planning or method of campaign. U would throw it open to the possibility of wide abuse.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Movetoamend makes a proposed amendment OUTSIDE of ART5. An ART5 has no limits. That is why I say they are not working for ART5.

If they are working for an ART5, how do they assure all amendments have constitutional intent.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U do not know wtf u r talking about. Move to amend "is" an article V action one that is limited to the issue of removing personhood from corp(se)oRATions. Limited to this issue so that further actions can go forward with reduced interference from corp(se)oRATions.

U seem to be peddling an open article V convention - the limits of article V come in the form of what is being pushed for change - no-one is stupid enough to call for an "open" article V convention ( besides U ).

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

That again is your interpretation.

Yes, indeed. All I have said here is my interpretation. An interpretation based on the arguments I have posted.

Every reader has to decide by him or herself if your use of name calling, gratuitous insults, simplistic pedantic language (I M NOT U) used to denote arrogance, profanity, calling others 'ejaculation', attacking people based on how new they are, etc... is a form of trolling.

And, if your argument that you did good in the past gives you a free card to do those things is legitimate. I do not believe it is and have explained why.

Let's stop here. The readers may read this and decide for themselves based on the arguments we both provided, and the arguments they may come up with themselves.

I'm only here to promote what I believe to be a proper type of discourse. Perhaps you are correct, and throwing insults around is the proper form of discourse. Opinions may vary. That is OK.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

G-night/morning trashy. Work on your material. You have always been stale.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

Perhaps ( if you are not being purposely an asshole ) it goes to back ground experience as well as upbringing. I was not raised genteel - nor politically correct - I was raised to say what was on my mind - and in a manner that left an impression. So U B U and I will B I.

A crude upbringing could also explain your childlike confrontational behavior. That's true. I never heard of an adult call another 'ejaculation' in the hopes of trying to win a debate like you did yesterday. It's an extremely primitive form of debating. That's essentially why I thought you might be a teenager.

Sometimes, it's also the case that adults return to childlike behaviors if they have a lot of stress in their lives due to tragedies, illness, death, etc...

Certainly, you can be yourself. But, if your bad behavior here which affects everyone in Occupy because it soils this forum is due to a crude upbringing, I would tell you that you can change this with education, and learning how to debate properly like an adult.

Certainly, as an adult, you can clearly say what is on your mind without using name calling, profanity, gratuitous insults, or other trollish behaviors. There are ways to make your point without falling in the trap of sounding like a young angry teenager. You just have to learn them.

Note that strong arguments and a proper discourse leave a much greater impression than using childlike insults, changing You's to U, and other such infant like trollish tactics. We remember the great thinkers of the past, not those in the margins who could only spit out logical fallacies.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A crude upbringing could also explain your childlike confrontational behavior.

That again is your interpretation. My upbringing was real - not candy coated - because not dealing with reality is deadly.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

And now U go on an attack of your own = "I don't even know, you could very well be 14 and that would explain your attitude here."

It's not an insult as much as an attempt to understand your behavior. There's nothing wrong with a 14 year old. I was that age before and did many stupid things. It's understandable. Iv'e been on many forums, and usually, those who start using name calling, profanity, gratuitous insults, and attack other users with trollish behavior are around that age. You could be older, but then I would wonder why you haven't developed more maturity. It's rare I meet fully formed adults who insult other people when they discuss issues. Very rare.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Perhaps ( if you are not being purposely an asshole ) it goes to back ground experience as well as upbringing. I was not raised genteel - nor politically correct - I was raised to say what was on my mind - and in a manner that left an impression. So U B U and I will B I.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

stick around for a year making "good" contributions - then we can have this talk again. Because for right now? U do not know a fuckin thing. U just think U do. ( and that is giving U the benefit of the doubt that U really R new here ).

I don't see to see anymore because I don't believe there is any legitimate reason to attack another user using name calling, profanity, gratuitous insults, or any other trollish tactics.

I debated the issue of trolling in a serious fashion with you, and this is how you end. By using the F word, by getting angry, by changing your language to a pedantic level by using U R and such. It's a disgrace to Occupy and to anyone who cares about serious debates.

I don't care if you were trolled by a zillion others, and if you made a zillion amazing contributions to Occupy. Your behavior in many of your postings yesterday and today is simply trollish and disgraceful. You called a guy 'ejaculation' for God's sake.

Occupy is about the plurality of thought. We accept all kinds of views from all kinds of people from different political affiliations and upbringings. We don't stoop to the level of a child when debating. Your behavior on this site would be frowned upon in any real Occupy setting like a GA or an affinity group. I can imagine yourself towering above a new comer and attacking him like you did me with such nonsense as "I have been here longer, wait an you will learn." This is total nonsense.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I can't make you stop trolling this site. This has to come from you. Perhaps one day you can grow up and act like an adult. Hell, I don't even know, you could very well be 14 and that would explain your attitude here.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

We'll have to agree to disagree

Yep.

And now U go on an attack of your own = "I don't even know, you could very well be 14 and that would explain your attitude here."

So much for your statement of being mature and above it all - Hey?

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

U R new (?) so U do not have enough information on what I have contributed in the past and regularly continue to contribute to the forum in support of OWS and THE PEOPLE.

This is irrelevant. Perhaps you have contributed amazing things. So what? I'm talking about your behavior on this thread, and in some others that you have visited in the last few days. Good behavior doesn't give you a pass to act like a troll. When you use name calling, profanity, gratuitous insults, and profanity, then you are a troll at the time you do this. If you write proper postings I'll deal with those in another way. I won't call you a troll. Here, today, you are using trollish behavior and that's what I commented on.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

stick around for a year making "good" contributions - then we can have this talk again. Because for right now? U do not know a fuckin thing. U just think U do. ( and that is giving U the benefit of the doubt that U really R new here ).

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

Yeah yeah - whatever - stick around for a year making "good" contributions - then we can have this talk again.

Whether my contributions are good or not can be deemed by each forum reader individually. Certainly, I don't go around name calling, and using profanity. People can disagree with what I have to say, and I'm willing to debate with them if they propose well formed arguments. That's fine. You don't seem like a user interested in such types of serious debates. Take care. I hope you stop attacking other users here, but I don't think you will. Hopefully, for the sake of Occupy, I'm wrong.

This forum would be better without profanity, name calling, gratuitous insults, and other childlike behaviors.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U R new (?) so U do not have enough information on what I have contributed in the past and regularly continue to contribute to the forum in support of OWS and THE PEOPLE. So - like I said - stick it out for a year - make good contributions in support of OWS/Occupy and THE PEOPLE - deal with your attackers - and we will see what you think at that point in time.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

If - "IF" U R new here - I can understand your expressed feelings - what U can not understand - is what has happened here from the very 1st day this forum was established.

That's exactly my point. Your personal squabbles here have nothing to do with the forum readers you write to. Keep your squabbles private with whoever you have them. Don't soil the forum with name calling, gratuitous insults, and profanity, simply because you have a vendetta against another user. That shows lack of control. You must think of the bigger picture. You're making us all look bad because of a troll in your past. This hurts everyone. You have become the troll, meaning that the original troll who bothered you won. When I come here for the first time, I only see you as the troll. That's all. Read this page again and all the threads. You are the only troll here. Don't you realize that? No one else is using name calling or other such trollish tactics. Only you.

Even if you are correct that someone is trolling you, it doesn't give you the right to troll back and soil this forum for the rest of Occupy. Again, debate properly, ignore, or report to the moderators. If you care about Occupy, you won't make this forum look like it's populated by infants.

Be a bigger man than the trolls. Don't become one. That does not work.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah yeah - whatever - stick around for a year making "good" contributions - then we can have this talk again.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

U say U R new here. Then take it as a fact that U do not know what U R talking about when it comes to dealing with the persistent trolls/shills/sellouts that attack the forum non-stop.

I'm new here, but I have used forums before. All of them, or nearly all, are infected by trolls. It's always the same story. If you drop yourself to their level, then you also become a troll. Just read this thread. You're the only one here using name calling, etc... What do you think that means to new readers. They come here without the personal vendettas you have against certain users. They only see you as a troll, nothing more.

There's no arguing this. The only proper actions are correct civilized debate, ignoring, or reporting to the moderators. Anything else is bad for you and for this website.

We are adults no? It should be easy to understand that soiling this website with name calling and gratuitous insults makes it look like we are childish and far from being serious. For God's sake, you called another user 'ejaculation'. How ridiculous and childish is that? Come on. You're better than that.

Don't let the trolls get to you my friend. They are like vampires. Once you let them bite you, you will become one of them. I fear you already have.

And look, you're obsessed with my newness. Why? Who cares? This is an open forum, like many others on the web. A new user should be respected just like a long time user. You should judge someone by what he writes, not how long he has been here. You don't suddenly get a pass to call other people names just because you were here longer. Right?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If - "IF" U R new here - I can understand your expressed feelings - what U can not understand - is what has happened here from the very 1st day this forum was established. U go ahead and contribute - U go ahead and stick it out - U will be given some space for awhile by the attackers - less space depending on how good Ur contributions R as well as how gullible/naive U may be. If U R Real - a newcomer and supporter of OWS - U will learn soon enough - that Ur perspective is incomplete and perhaps very flawed.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

U new here? I very much doubt it. If information is presented - information that can be verified by a search on the internet - is discarded. It is for no good purpose and deserves derision.

I'm new here, but I have been working with the Rolling Jubilee for a long time and have read this site from time to time. I just read it this morning for an hour and couldn't help noticing how you constantly attack other users here. It's not good for us.

No - there are many trolls/shills/sellouts = forum attackers.

OK. So what? Just ignore them, or debate their points in proper fashion. redandbluestripedpill does not seem like a troll to me. He presents ideas clearly. I disagree with most of his ideas, but so what? We don't all have to walk in lock step. Certainly not.

When I read this thread, in all honesty, you come out as being the troll. You are the one using name calling and gratuitous insults. It makes you look bad, and makes Occupy look bad in return. We need to be better than that.

It's not your role to insult trolls. Just debate them if they are debatable, or ignore them, or report them to the moderators. Never stoop to their childish level or else that just makes you one of them.

I'm also wondering what you consider a troll? Someone with opinions different than your own?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U say U R new here. Then take it as a fact that U do not know what U R talking about when it comes to dealing with the persistent trolls/shills/sellouts that attack the forum non-stop.

[-] -1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Agree completely.

[-] -2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

DKAtoday, you are promoting an organization which you cannot show is doing what you say it is doing.

How does movetoamend plan to assure that all amendments have constitutional intent at the ART5? Or, are they just going to let alec and cato run off with it?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There is only the amendments which they are proposing = removing personhood from corp(se)oRATions and getting that money out of politics. If you can not see that - you are either a liar or blind - personally I think U 2 B a LIAR.

[-] -2 points by hamletandcornell (-27) 1 year ago

Why do you always insult other users who disagree with you? This does not set a good example for Occupy. We have to learn to work together and discuss issues in proper fashion. It's OK to completely disagree with someone. It's not OK to call them names because of it.

No matter how laughable you think the opinions of another user may be, he deserves the right to be respected. We all do.

As far as I can tell, redandbluestripedpill was being polite and brought his points to the discussion in a proper way. Even if he had insulted you somehow, it doesn't warrant revenge by returning insults.

I don't get it. You're a long time user here. You should know better than that. Occupy tries so hard to bring people together. Why sabotage that with childish name calling. Aren't we all serious adults here?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U new here? I very much doubt it. If information is presented - information that can be verified by a search on the internet - is discarded. It is for no good purpose and deserves derision.

Aren't we all serious adults here?

No - there are many trolls/shills/sellouts = forum attackers.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Nothing about state petitions or constitutional intent, both vital to ART5.

" BTW - the link U provided - does not work. http://articlev.org"

Ever think of getting rid of capital letter?

http://articlev.org

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

U R blind or to lazy to look at the information provided.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Nothing about ART 5, nothing about constitutional intent.

I see a good effort to educate and model some of the thinking/process involved. Our strategy is to work on the local level before moving on to the state or federal level to build a grassroots movement organized and powerful enough to force Congress to act."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22336) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Reading comprehension is not Ur strong suit - Hey?

U can not see the campaign is laid out and being run just the way article V says it needs to be done.

U R a determined/dedicated IDIOT.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Where does movetoamend say 2/3 of the states? Here is ART5

ARTICLE V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

The only mention of constitutional intent which exists on their site is a part of the 2012 petition.

https://movetoamend.org/sites/default/files/reading.pdf

It does not talk about the people knowing and defining constitutional intent assuring the states ratify no amendment not having it. It only points out something against constitutional intent which it seeks to rectify by a single amendment. Nothing about ART5!

And you still do not know the root meaning of the word you use, "idiot".

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Interest rates are starting to creep up....

The tipping point gets closure the higher they go...

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

If only our ability to communicate and cooperate increased as much.