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Forum Post: So no Miranda Warning for the Little Tyke in Boston?

Posted 1 year ago on April 20, 2013, 9:27 a.m. EST by NoMiranda (2)
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because of a "Public Safety Exception"?

I hope the outrage is just as strong as it would be under George Bush... but somehow I doubt it.

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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I'm not sure whether to be disturbed by this or not - but the probability is that there will be no need to use anything the suspect says while in custody, later at trial. There may well be more than enough physical evidence to secure conviction.

Not a lawyer, but I presume the purpose is to find out if there are more bombs, or if there is a support network that supported these guys - and if that is the case, it seems a Public Safety Exception may well be reasonable.

As I said, I'm not a lawyer, and there are likely aspects of this issue I have not yet considered.

[-] 0 points by NoMiranda (2) 1 year ago

Well, lemme clue you in. Be disturbed.

The public safety exception is either reasonable and always was or it wasn't under Bush AND Obama.

Which is it? Make up our minds for us.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

oh I am disturbed. But not about this. To me this issue does not apply. It does not apply because if I ever go off, there will be no contingency for an attorney in my thinking.

I am much more interested in the ways and means of ending the creation and use of little manchurian candidates and if such efforts prove successful in the least then this issue just goes away all on its own.

[-] 1 points by shooz (18050) 1 year ago

Since the exception is from 1984, will you blame the whole mess on Reagan?

Even though I would like to, it's really and once again a matter of precedence.

It's how our courts work, like it or not.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/19/1898851/what-you-need-to-know-about-why-the-boston-bombing-suspect-hasnt-been-read-his-miranda-rights/

[-] 2 points by freakzilla3 (-75) 1 year ago

The exception stems from Reagan's term, but Obama is increasing the length of time involved.

Kind of like how the Patriot Act came from Bush, but was jacked up by Obama.

It's how our president works, like it or not.

http://www.salon.com/2011/03/24/obama_rolls_back_miranda/

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/experts_obama_admin_pioneering_more_robust_use_of.php

[-] 2 points by shooz (18050) 1 year ago

I think you should just freak out!!!!

Your lack of understanding of precedent and how works, is astounding in it's ignorance.

Back away slowly.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla3 (-75) 1 year ago

Unfortunately, "rebels" kissing Obama's ass and apologizing for him has a lot of precedent, and I understand it all too well

[-] 1 points by shooz (18050) 1 year ago

Freaking out, just like I asked.

Thank you.

When do you plan on returning to reality as you've never experienced?

You know, a reality based on the truth?

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[-] 1 points by NoMiranda (2) 1 year ago

Why would I blame it on Reagan? Leftists demanded everyone be read their Miranda rights weeping and wailing over the last three decades about it and especially for foreign terrorists caught in foreign lands and now suddenly they choose to defend the exception, because you have the stage.

"Like it or not"? Uhhh, BS.

The hypocrisy is glaring. Screw thinkprogress for their rationalizations. Now that they're getting their government cheese, anything goes.

[-] 2 points by shooz (18050) 1 year ago

Glenn?

I think you're wanted over at theblaze.

Besides, where were all those gun nutters when the "marshall law" lock down occurred?

Where was their protection of liberty from tyranny?

They were hiding in their basements and in the woods like they always do, hanging on non existent orders from the NRA..

If you don't like how our courts operate?

I guess you could call in the NRA for that too, but they won't do a thing, they're just here to sell guns, not freedom, nor liberty.

Like you, they are the exact opposite of those things.

[-] 1 points by NoMiranda (2) 1 year ago

What does this have to do with the NRA? Are you trying to change the subject?

Do people have Miranda rights or not?

[-] 1 points by shooz (18050) 1 year ago

Why not change the subject, Glenn?

You already did, when I showed you how it all began and explained how the courts operate on precedent..

Why do ask about miranda when you just poked fun of it as liberal plot of some sort or another, and indeed your very name calls for it's end?

So where were those NRA protectors of liberty then Glenn?

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[-] -1 points by Renneye (3294) 1 year ago

Lt. Col. Potter revealing psy-op in a video posted to Youtube, with additional information at Veterans Today. Coutesy of 'arturo'.

Boston Terror: The Real Attack

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/19/boston-terror-the-real-attack-vt-had-it-first/

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

this is bullshit - it has a purpose. When people are sufficiently agitated and afraid they will often latch on to the most outlandish explanations.

There is over a 99% probability that they have the right guys. Guys that were by some means radicalized. And the reason that is so, is that you cannot create, as a piece of theater, a shoot out complete with home made grenades in a city street, and predictably control the narrative.

There are far too many people who would have to be directly involved. It is said:

  • Two people can keep a secret

  • When one of them is dead

There is almost no way these are not the right guys.

And so we ask, what, exactly, do such stories do, among the U.S. demographic.

  • They serve to divide, and to isolate, segments of the population.
[-] 3 points by Narley (-629) 1 year ago

Zen, Should I be disturbed that I agree with you much lately? Too much?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I would not rule it out, were I you

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13719) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

you've bought into the method they use to cover up the process of radicalization.

Not every tool exposed to the process goes off, or clearly understands how it works. But they know it when they see it - and expect both conspiracy, and explanation.

As these tools chirp about the most implausible explanation, their own reputation and credibility takes a hit - thus eliminating them as potential witness to the process.

It also reinforces the message: you don't want to be like them - and so new victims much more quickly bend under the initial exposure to the process and learn to behave.