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Forum Post: Skeptics seize on reports showing temperatures leveling

Posted 1 year ago on April 9, 2013, 11:59 p.m. EST by venom (-2)
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Climate change skeptics are doing a bit of gloating following a series of mainstream media reports that acknowledge what those skeptics have long held -- the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.

In recent weeks, Der Spiegel, the Telegraph and the Economist have reported the unexpected stabilizing of global surface temperatures. Even former NASA scientist and outspoken climate change activist James Hansen has acknowledged the 10-year lull.

Morano said: "In the peer-reviewed literature we're finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth's axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust, all of these factors are coming together. They're now realizing it wasn't the simple story we've been told of your SUV is creating a dangerously warm planet."

Many climate scientists and environmentalists agree with Morano's description of climate complexity, but reject his denials of global warming as a problem.

"This is a highly complex calculation to make in the first place. The short period of time, only 10 years in which the increasing temperature has leveled, really doesn't tell us very much other than the fact that temperatures may still be rising but just not as fast as they were before," said Elgie Holstein, the senior director for strategic planning at the Environmental Defense Fund and a former assistant secretary at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

"What's compelling about the climate science," Holstein said, "is that we have literally thousands of the world's leading scientists around the country pretty much saying the same thing about where we're headed, and it's not reassuring."

But the surface temperature stabilization suggests that computer models which predict harsh consequences of global warming may need reassessing.

As The Economist put it on March 30, "It may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy."

Indeed, no one disputes that levels of carbon dioxide are increasing globally, but CO2's impact has not been as great as many scientists had predicted.

"In the peer-reviewed literature, they've tried to explain away this lull," said Morano. "In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science a year or two ago they had a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming."

Holstein believes the temperature lull is not entirely unexpected or unpredicted.

"We're within ranges of these climate models that are saying we're still on track to some pretty troublesome impacts if we don't do something about it," he said.

A Gallup survey conducted March 7-10 found 58 percent of Americans say they worry a great deal or fair amount about global warming.

That was up from 51 percent in 2011 -- but still below the 62-72 percent levels seen between 1999 and 2001.

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[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20495) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Shooz had a link where the commentary pointed out that this period of apparent stabilization occurred during La Nina - and implied that once El Nino kicks back in, temperature rise may outpace climate models.

In any case, I expect the industry of denial to completely collapse once the allure of the illusive NorthWest Passage becomes a reality that is ice free and navigable year round - if not for the stormy weather . . .

And I wouldn't retire in Florida anytime soon . . . .

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[-] 2 points by shooz (26676) 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

Interesting, they bring up maximum and minimum temperatures as an issue.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26676) 1 year ago

Key word in their "skepticism" is the word "might".

Like they don't exactly trust their skepticism.

Can they prove that changes in land use can account for it?

All they have is doubt.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/2013/04/05/these-stairs-arent-climbing-theyre-flat/

A little more proof against the paid for skepticism.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

Sure that would explain the records being broken for hottest summers and warmest winters during these last ten years.

F'n IDIOTS.

Things - environmentally are getting out of control. Example - today watching the weather I saw where one state was 14 degrees on the west side of the state while it was 74 degrees on the east side of the state. I would say that that was a pretty unusual same time temperature variation extreme.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

This is my point, the overall temperature average may not be changing, but the volatility of highs to lows is, which plays havoc with storms and crops as well.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The added energy ( heat ) creates that volatility.

[-] -1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

Probably need the colder weather as well to create the volatility.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

This could only be the comment of a Professional idiot.

[-] 0 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

ah yes, the school of "only be" and "there is no other way" dogma.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

I think what's going on is greater global temperature volatility. If the highs go higher and the lows go lower, the overall average temperature may remain similar, but the temperature volatility can have a devastating affect on crops, water usage, along with the creation of hurricanes, snow storms and wind levels.

So what's causing the greater temperature volatility, possibly the depletion of the ozone layer.

[-] 1 points by DebtNEUTRALITYpetition (581) 1 year ago

And the tilt of the earth's axis I find very intriguing as well. The suns rays enter at a different angle if the tilt changes, therefore how they are filtered changes as well.

Taking all of that petroleum out of the ground could eventually have a tiny affect on the earth's internal equilibrium and could possibly affect how the earth rotates, or the angle in which it does.

[-] 0 points by grapes (2658) 1 year ago

Climate change should be measured by 30-year running averages and variances. The global warming trend has NOT been broken yet but yes, it is great that we might have been granted a grace period. We may have a bit more sorely needed time to work on our adaptive strategies and technologies.