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Forum Post: Santa, Guns and FLAKES

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 27, 2012, 11:52 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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Please tell me how in any way shape or form, kids with machine guns demonstrate the "Spirit of Christmas"?

Is it because Mom has one too?

http://www.politicususa.com/fox-news-militarizes-war-christmas-mixing-santa-guns.html

These people are sicker than sick.

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[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

Important Post & this really is sooo fucked up!!! Nothing to do there but curse and I don't care if any kids (mine too!) see this because sometimes it's allowed! Thanks for posting though, lol & 'sick' is the right word, whilst 'sad' is another :(

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I don't want to hear another word from FLAKESnews, or any other fucked up conse(R)vative, about the war on Christmas.

They just shot the Baby Jesus.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3316) 2 years ago

'Hear' here and as 'above, so below' ;)

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Its interesting to see how this video set aside rational thinking comments and brought out emotional thinking comments.

Just goes to show how easy it is to control people

Those who look at this video from a rational perspective understand what the intent was as was explained and comment accordingly.

Those who look at this video from a emotional perspective don't understand what the intent was as explained and comment accordingly.

BTW, have you noticed that all the people in the pictures are part of the "X,Y and melineum generation.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Really?

Just what is the "rational intent" of 5 year old's handling uzis, with Santa??

Have yourself a destructive little Christmas?

BTW: What kind of gun would Jesus shoot people with?

I mean c'mon, it's not like an uzi is useful for anything but killing people.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR1 (8) 2 years ago

Well if you look close at the video the 5 year old didn't have the uzi in his hand - his father was holding it. The 5 year old if you look at the start of the video had something else in his hand.

So to prove my point - what you see and want to believe is driven by your emotion instead of what was actually shown.

Right off the bat, just because a kid is sitting on a fathers lap with the father holding the uzis next to him presents a vision that the 5 year old is holding the gun so everyones emotions explode when in fact that's not the case.

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

Its also useful for having fun with. Just like an Ar-15, they are fun guns to shoot.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

These guys are having fun shooting their gun of choice too!...........:)

Death and destruction for Christmas this year. Just like Baby Jesus!!!

YAY!

Hell on earth and death to all life!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/us/gulf-coast-dolphin-killings/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

It's just life in welfare country.

[-] 1 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

What exactly does this have to do with what we are talking about. It was probably some back water dumb asses who did this disgusting thing to this dolphins. Why do you keep bringing the baby Jesus into this?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The subject, is guns nuts and Christmas, with a little FLAKESnews on the side.

You should pay more attention.

Guns are a wide ranging topic.

Not only that.....but it's totally nonpartisan!!!!

If you want, I can bitch some more about abhorrent (R)epelican't behavior, but that's pretty obvious and easy.

[-] 2 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

I know you're position on gun control. Not everyone who owns a gun is a total right wing fanatic gun nut. The dolphins also had nothing to do with what were are talking about.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's why I made the distinction of gun nutters.

If your guilty of that, you already know it.

Those dolphins are dying because somebody likes to shoot their guns.

Whooopie!!!

It's not like they are diving off of boats and knifing them to death.

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

You also cannot redefine religion as you choose. What was Jesus doing on the Sabbath, as a child?

[-] 2 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

What am I looking for on Wikipedia, and who are you talking to about redefining religion?

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

did you forget what character you were playing? I didn't actually comment to this user name.

[-] -1 points by freewriterguy (882) 1 year ago

LOL @ WHAT KIND OF GUN WOULD JESUS SHOOT PEOPLE WITH. Well if I remember correctly he is going to burn their flesh off of their bones, at his 2nd coming, worms shall crawl out of their eye sockets, oh ya and in Isaiah 3: He will smite the women with baldness, and stinkiness and nakedness. Here is the chapter for the women's curse anyways: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/isa/3.17?lang=eng#16

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's Yaweh, or whatever they called the old testament God.

Now be nice and tell me what kind of gun Jesus would kill people with?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Squirt Gun filled with Holy Water?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

LOL........One of those supersoakers they banned at the RNC in Florida.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sure - how better to banish demons en-mass? {:-])

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Can we get one like that for the forum?

An accurate virtual supersoaker would do wonders for this place

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There ya go - and while were at it some holy water hand grenades to toss into congress to banish the demons residing there - like Boner and crony's.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Hollow point ammunition is more effective at stopping an attacker or intruder

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

& the government purchased 450 million rounds of HP's last year...hmmm makes you think where this is heading...

[-] 1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I’m so tired of people spinning this story to fit their agenda. The government didn’t buy 450 million rounds. They signed a contract to purchase up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammo at a fixed price over a period of years. They did not commit to buying the entire 450 million rounds. The point was to lock in the price for a period of years. The .40 round is replacing the 9MM among law enforcement and the price is increasing due to demand. Also, if memory serves correctly, the bulk of this ammo is target ammo, which is much cheaper than self defense ammo. You’ll probably fire 100,000 of target about ammo for every round fired in the line of duty.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Is this a return to Timothy McVey and Waco? I hope not. Bipartisan compromise and bridging the idealogical divide is about as likely as I am of shitting a golden egg

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The people involved realize there is no compromise in this, with the state of education, globalization, and upcoming debts.

They are just going to punt again this January, and hopefully the economy doesnt take too much of a dump in response.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

This type of conversation is not appropriate for this forum. Please desist.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

I did not mean to offend. The right to bear arms, like the right to vote, the right of free speech, etc come with a responsibility - the responsibility to use them wisely, and safely. The take away the right to bear arms, while not a bad idea to some, it still taking away a right, like denying women the right to vote. Again, sorry to offend

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I completely agree. Depending on who’s numbers you believe, there are between 220 and 300 million privately owned guns in America today. There are an estimated 85 million gun owners in the US. Earlier this year two major gun manufactures (S&W and Ruger) had a million order backlog each and suspended new orders to catch up. The best selling gun right now is small, almost pocket size 9MM pistol; followed by the AR-15 and similar semi-auto rifles.

Last year, 2011, was a banner year for gun sales and 2012 is looking to outpace it. Guns are selling like hot cakes. Also, gun laws are trending toward more gun rights rather than more gun restrictions. Almost every State has some type of conceal carry license and some have legal open carry. Good or bad, Americans love their guns.

Gun owners are paranoid about the “gun grabbers” coming to confiscate their weapons. That’s partly why every time a mass shooting occurs they rush out and buy more guns. Just in case the feds outlaw some guns they will be grandfathered in with their current guns.

Personally I’m not worried about the feds confiscating guns. Too many guns and too many gun owners. Just couldn’t be done. However, I am worried the gun grabbers will nickel and dime us to death. They’ll try to outlaw semi-auto rifles (AR’s. AK’s and the like), then reduce magazine capacity, outlaw some types and caliber of ammo (.45, .50 and 10MM caliber and hollow-point ammo). Then require unnecessary features such as manual safeties, staging triggers, magazine removal disconnects, etc

So, as I said before, for good or bad Americans love their guns. It doesn’t much matter if you or I like it or not. Probably not going to change anytime soon. Think about it, if everyone else has a gun, would you want to be the only one without the ability to defend yourself?

I’m a law abiding citizen. Never been arrested and have no mental issues that would make it dangerous for me to own guns. So what’s wrong with me owning any gun I want for sport, hunting and self defense?

If it were up to me there wouldn’t be any gun laws except felons and diagnosed mentally unbalanced people couldn’t own guns. I just don’t see the point in regulating guns or gun ownership beyond what I stated above.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I have nothing against that right. Time and place. Thx for understanding.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

If the guns are not locked up and the children have access to them, then it is the height of stupidity. If the the guns are locked up, and everyone has had a course on proper handling, then it is a simple expression of the 2nd amendment.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You children will need to sent off for years of training, as soon as they are weaned and able to crawl.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

First lesson - common sense; people bleed, people die, bad things happen. Second lesson, guns kill, you pull the trigger, a bullet will come out and kill anyone you point it at.
Once they understand the difference between reality and fiction, then teach them proper use. Then still keep them locked up

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here ya go.

Make this stop.

No excuses.

No, well daddy goes to jail for being stupid.

Just make it stop.

http://www.wistv.com/story/19957509/darlington-2-year-old-shoots-himself-with-gun

http://newsone.com/2023987/josiah-tate-shoots-himself-with-deputys-gun/

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/25/13473192-officials-seven-year-old-accidentally-shoots-loved-conn-trash-man?lite

There's lots and lots more of them too.

Make this shit stop.

No excuses.

No BS about how it's their constitutional right to be dead.

Bet ya won't do it.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

It is easy to make it stop. Lock up the guns. You keep medicines and household cleaners away from children. This is the same

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I said NO excuses.

That's just an excuse.

That's the daddy goes to jail BS.

MAKE IT STOP.

[-] 1 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Please help me. I am dense and do not understand what you want to do

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I want you to save the lives of those children.

I'm not asking you to give up the 2nd amendment. I'm asking you to grow a heart and a brain.

No more two year old's shooting two year old's..........EVER!!

Make it impossible.

I want you to bozo proof guns.

No more ooops, I didn't know the gun was loaded moments.

No more, I could have sworn I put that thing away, mornings.

I suppose the assholes that think they heard a "stranger" outside and it "might" have been a bad guy, will still end up with the occasional dead son. ( That actually happened, and he was a cop who should have known better. So much for training.)

So be it!

That's just another "cost" of freedom.

But PLEASE Save the child.

If you still don't understand, please consider selling whatever guns you own.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I agree with you. Keep guns out of reach of kids, keep them locked up, use a trigger lock and always explain not to touch. Take your pick. They all work. For me, I remove the magazine and keep it separate for the gun. My kids are grown and were raised in a home with lots of guns around. They were taught early that guns aren’t toys. The point is it’s so easy to prevent kids from getting a loaded weapon. I think most gun owners are responsible and keep their guns safe.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Sorry gramps, that doesn't save the lives of the children.

It's the same answer the other gun nutters give.

It's the very same BS about throw daddy in jail, which still leaves the rest of the family fucked right up, and the children still very much dead..

Bozo's will still leave the occasional loaded gun lying around.

I'm not asking you to point out "responsibility."

Bozo proof it, at least for the children.

I don't think you can do it, even though the technology is available.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

I guess I’m not clear what you mean by bozo proof. Most guns today have some type safety, like manual safeties, grip safeties or two stage triggers; and as of recent some guns have very heavy long trigger pulls that some adults can’t pull. So if keeping your guns unloaded, using trigger locks, etc.. don’t please you; and safety features on guns don’t please you I’m at a loss about what you want. It kind of sounds like you just don’t want people to own guns. Is that closer to the truth?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Don't put words in my mouth. I've already stated you can keep the second amendment.

I just want you to use your heart and brain to save the lives of innocent children.

Scroll up and read some of the examples I've provided.

2 year old's shooting other 2 year old's must stop.

No excuses. Retro fit for all guns. Whatever.

No more dead children shot by other children.

If it costs money so be it.

Make the compromise.

Just do it....................If you can find it in your heart.

[-] 0 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

If your inferring that gun owners are unfeeling about accidental gun shootings, you’re seriously mistaken. Anyone in their right mind would be saddened by a child being accidental hurt or killed, regardless of the cause. I don’t have the numbers, but I’ve read that accidental shooting are minuscule compared to car accidents, drowning, child abuse and so on. Accidental shootings, for anyone, is rare.

So if you thinking of ways to increase child safety I suggest to put your energy into preventing child abuse rather than getting worked up about bozo proof guns. The vast majority of guns are safe; and most gun owners are very good at keeping their guns safe.

It seems to me you are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Accidental shooting are rare. Those resulting in death are even rarer. To expect gun manufactures and gun owners to retrofit all guns to some (yet unknown) bozo proof gun is just crazy. I can appreciate your passion for wanting to stop kids from getting hurt. But bozo proof guns won’t make a difference.

[-] -1 points by jbgramps (159) 1 year ago

You are simply wrong. Accidental shootings by any age group is very low. Suicides by gun account for more than accidental shootings. You cherry pick five cases of accidental shootings and present them to make your case. I did a few quick searches of the causes of child death. The main cause by a wide margin is illness and disease, auto accidents are also high. Accidental shootings of children are not even on the list.

The latest statistics I found was for 1999. I’m sure they’re more recent figures, but these figures make my point that accidental shooting of children is very rare . • In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.

• This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists . • The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to: o 214 unintentional o 1,078 suicides o 1,990 homicides o 83 for which the intent could not be determined o 20 due to legal intervention • Of the total firearms-related deaths: o 73 were of children under five years old o 416 were children 5-14 years old o 2,896 were 15-19 years old

So, my friend, while I think it admiral you care about kids. (I also do. I have five children and three grandchildren). I think you’re on the wrong track. It’s kinda like screaming the sky is falling, when in reality it is not. If you want to save kids tell folks to monitor their kids better when around a swimming pool.

[-] 1 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

To the very best of my knowledge, Christmas has always been an armed holiday.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'll bet, along cancer and chimney fires.

You've already proven how lazy you are.

Your knowledge is notorious for not exactly being the "best" of anything.

You should fix that.

[-] 1 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

There is no doubt that in the near future we will have to guard ourselves and our homes from those who decry both Christian celebration and our seasonal consumerism. We know we're going to have to fight to retain our heritage, our beliefs, and our way of life.

I can recall at least five Christmases, or more, that involved firearms. And our Thanksgivings have always been an armed holiday.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If you can celebrate with consumerism (plus guns and bullets), why can't you afford fuel oil?

I guess it's a matter of choice.

So, .223s for lunch? I hear they taste great with hoppes.........:)

[-] 0 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

In colonial times it was often stated that the cow was the greatest investment that one could make. Because the cow would provide milk for ten years. The same is true of a rifle or shotgun and they are but a fraction of the price of but one tank of fuel oil. In the world I grew up in, firearms were integral to life. Children were taught to use firearms at a very early age. Nobody got shot and no one was ever murdered.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"No one was ever murdered" when you were a kid? You realize how delusional that is right? LOL.

And your saying guns can provide milk for ten years? Now you are truly 6 shooter short of a few bullets! <----- like how I did that? I used a gun (which you love) analogy to infer that you are not sane. Get it? LOL

[-] 0 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

Five deer in the freezer every season, is that insane enough for you?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Riiiiiiight. You wish! You'de be lucky if you could hit the side of a barn.

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

You're a total asshole

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Am not.

[-] -1 points by Clancy (42) 1 year ago

Yeah you kind of are, RedDragon made a good argument and point and you just mocked him or her.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

i disagree that the offensive RedDragon made a good argument.

Seemed pretty ridiculous as usual. And his/her comments are frequently offensive and full of various isms.

So he/she deserves to be mocked without mercy.

Anything else?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Pretty broad and unsubstantiated statement, that also has little to do with today.

Not surprisingly it, along with almost all of your belabored responses to me so far, has NOTHING to do with what I said........

It's the standard, patented teabagge(R) forum disruption video personified.

Truth is, if you can't afford fuel oil, you're a lazy fuck

[-] -1 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

Truth is very few people in the northeast can afford fuel oil. And the Left only wants to increase these costs.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Let's see, I'm considered to be "on the left", by pretty much everybody, and my position says FUCK WallStreets Profits.

FUCK the owners and hedge funders and futures marketeers, too!

Let 'em eat one for the gipper, and sell their fuel oil much, much cheaper.

Lord knows I've had to. Don't you think it's about time for them to return the favor?

[-] 1 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

I'm thinking 14 cents a gallon would be fair, right? I mean there are people who have given an arm and a leg for this shit... what did they git? High fuel bills.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sounds good, as long as the people along the way that bring it to you get paid.

FUCK WallStreet.

FUCK those futures motherfuckers.

They can go out and get a real job

I hear Foxxcon's hiring.

[-] 0 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

I'm a very good tipper.

Fox is great entertainment. The problem with the other networks, quite frankly is that they are juvenile and boring.

Hey, you know my fuel oil guy is an independent, right? And well, for this very reason, he's invested in mutual funds. Wall Street is all about our mutual funds. And we're keeping those.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Foxxcon is not a TV station.

You should probably attempt to keep up with World events.

[-] -1 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

Ohh... ok, I googled and now I 'get it'. Not really... why would anyone consider anything so proprietary as Iphone or Ipad? Ridiculous... we all went through the Itunes and the Ipod stage, wasn't that bad enough?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

In my book, after what they've done and are still doing, it's what they deserve.

A lifetime job in one of the factories they kill workers in.

I don't deal in Apple anything and regularly curse Adobe.

[-] -1 points by RedDragon (-161) 1 year ago

Well then, I guess we understand each other.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Dont forget that the vast majority of retirements are tied to those funds and futures now as well.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, ain't it funny how WallStreet gets it's greedy, lazy little mitts into EVERYTHING!

But note I said profits. Theirs are the ones I'm referring to.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fuel oil is getting expensive? Really? Gasoline 2 I suppose. Hmmm how does something like that happen???

What a friken mystery??? You don't think it could have anything to do with UN-regulated speculation? Or processing cost rising due to processing tar sands(?) - you know the dregs on the bottom of the barrel that is running dry ( fossil fuel deposits to be extracted ).

Well then - YOU - should be all for driving down the demand for the disappearing resource. Let a glut build up on processed oil - let those prices drop from an excess on the market.

We gotta stop using fossil fuels anyway.

Support the implementation of green fuel and power technology - lets drop those oil prices and needs.

[-] -2 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

At the present time there is a glut, or should be, precisely because no one is using it.

I blame all of this on Leftist bullshit and Obama. We fight wars for this resource - people die for this resource - it should be extremely inexpensive. If a government can fight a war with our resources for this resource, then it can ensure that oil is affordable for our purchase. And somehow reducing all to ancient primitivism is not at all appealing.

Ten cords... I'm felling trees as we speak. And so is everybody else.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Are you suggesting that the federal government should jump in and control the fossil fuel industry and wallstreet? What a novel idea. Hmmmm I wonder why no one is protesting for the government to place proper regulations on corpoRATions or have their status as people removed?

Puzzling.

[-] 0 points by RedDragon (-161) 2 years ago

Well for one thing the ruling in Citizens United was 100% correct as relates to freedom of speach; do we need further regulation? Yes. But if you have questions about what a corporation is, I would you suggest you start with the LLC, which is a company and not a corporation. You can wiki it and it will explain in what ways they are treated as persons. This of course is totally unrelated to Citizens, which concludes that all are an association of people, but it also lends credence to the personhood argument which I am quite convinced must circulate in the mind of every attorney who interprets such law.

I am 100% definitely suggesting that if this government is to commit our tax dollars and our lives to securing this resource - oil - that is has a responsibility to the people, and not just big oil, to ensure that it is available to the people. This administration is letting those people both starve and freeze as a result of higher fuel prices. How many suffered heart attacks last year just chopping wood?

I think it would be easier to argue that the Left does not constitute personhood.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

How would you know what we can afford?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

ho Ho HO little children - looky what Santa brought ya - well here we got your uzi fully automatic machine pistol with 50,000 rounds - now won't you have a g00d time playin with your little friends? Just think of the fun when you bring that baby in for show-n-tell at school - you'll get mad respect ho Ho HO - OH - Santa almost forgot here is a nice stocking stuffer - real live fragmentation grenades - be the 1st kid on your block to blow sumpin-up - ho Ho Ho HO HO HO - safe? course they are ho ho ho - looky right thar is the safety or is that the auto selector - hmmm - oh ho Ho HO - not to worry the kids'll have a good time figgerin it all out - ho Ho HO - nope holt on a sec before you pull that pin - wait till I leave - and try to chuck it outside - ho ho ho - whew - HO..............

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Oh IC.

Like the 15 year old that accidentally shot and killed a girl on the charter school bus in ......wait for it............Florida.

He was just trying to show all the kids his cool new gun.

Oooops........two more lives ruined.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yep - damn - I thought I unloaded it - and I was pretty sure the safety was on. It's not my fault - I'm justa kid - what kinda lunatic ever bought me the gun in the 1st place? Shit even paintball is more fun - cause you can shoot the hell out of your friends and maybe only accidentally blind em or poison em if you shoot em in their open mouth or sumpin - Right(?) - maybe deafen em a little if you smack em a good one in their ear hole - mostly harmless fun.....but noooo someone had ta let me get my hands on the real thing with live ammo..........

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So buy your kids an instrument of death this Christmas.

It's all you can do now that Obama was re-elected.

It's what Jesus did? "Right"?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22315) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just remember to try and not piss off your newly armed younguns - they can be pretty volatile and out of control when pissed off. Just sayin - word to the wise and all that - maybe get yourself some body armor and then live in it for a few years or couple of decades or so. Happy gun ownership. {:-])

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

I own an Ar-15 and have never killed anybody with it probably never will. By saying instrument of death you are IMO,Wong that no matter what it will be used to kill someone.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Key word............probably, but I doubt you've studied the statistics.....so you really have no idea..

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

Unless someone breaks into my home and threatens my family. Even then I will use the sig sauer P226 I have under my bed locked in a hand gun safe where only me and my wife know the combination.

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Stupid ignorant kids, and even more assinine parents. Nothing more.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here's a really stupid good ol' boy.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gun-enthusiast-kills-17-year-old-playing-loud-music-lawyer-says-he-acted-very?akid=9726.226594.e-ozjZ&rd=1&src=newsletter751292&t=11

The wonders "stand your ground" in Florida will likely let off.

That's the most fucked up law ever written

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 2 years ago

Currently held without bail; he will face murder and attempted murder charges, and it sounds like prosecutor Gene Nichols will nail his ass to the wall. Again, this "stand your ground" law puts a lot of responsibility on the individual.

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[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

I think its cool. Guns should be a part of american freedom, instead we have been dumbed down to think its the police job to protect us. For example, in the batman shooting where 70 people got shot, How many people do you think would have gotten shot (or killed) if the people didnt have to wait 9-11 minutes for the police to show up and try to figure out what was going on? I.E. if everyone had their sidearm sitting in their seat, they would have been able to take care of the maniac wi\thin seconds.

The fact is Americans in general are becoming dumber and dumber and I believe I am becoming smarter than you people on several points.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 2 years ago

I have never owned a gun, or hunted, but I respect the right of people to do so. In fact, two of my three daughters own guns...one because she is a public defender, and the other because she has lived in a fairly remote Alaskan town. The problems begin with bad people having easy access to guns.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by freewriterguy (882) 1 year ago

well when bad people have easy access to guns, then they are at an advantage over good people. who dont even carry one. however, if they did have one, and tried to use it against us, is there not more of us than there is them? deterrance is a strong force, its what our nation uses to discourage other nations from sending nuclear bombs over to us. Here in utah, a 17 year old kid got shot outside a sliding glass door trying to break in at 4am, , ran a few feet and dropped dead. Justice was swift. the homeowner was within his right said the law, as he defended himself. Not too many breakins you hear of anymore, but alot of people getting shot and killed by homeowners. I love it. Saves me money too, a bullet is only 20 cents. but a trial and jail costs hundreds of thousands, which i refuse to pay for even 1 cent.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Like I implied, I have no problem with good people owning guns, but your flippant outlook towards human life is another matter.

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by janus2 (-387) 2 years ago

when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's "right" shoot that Baby Jesus.

Shoot that kid on the school bus.

And if a two year old shoots another two year old, why that's just Darwin kickin' in early.

Shoot all of Santa's reindeer too. Venison's good eatin', and who needs all that mamby pamby "peace on earth and good will to man", liberal crap on Christmas!!

Signed,

Ted Neugent

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Obamas 'coming!. Quick lock n load!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/gun-sales-obama_n_2089914.html

Right wing wackos played by more conservative fear mongering tactics to create anti dem voters & more profits gun makers.

[-] 0 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

The reason for the increase in gun sales is because the UN wants to put a World wide sanction on them. Plus with the pres continually dividing the Country more people are arming themselves

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The Pres has created an agenda that attracted most of the voters. And brought together all races, religions, sexual preferences and age groups.

It is conservative tea party prejudice that has excluded and divided us. It is the repubs hatred of immigrants, minorities, LGBT, Muslims, Atheists, poor people, womens rights (and others) that divides us.

The UN? Good lord are you a conspiracy theorist? No one is comin for your guns. Relax. It's not time for doomsday pepping.

LMFAO.

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[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are delusional!

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So shoot the Baby Jesus?

That ought to work.

The UN thing is bullshit.

No one has EVER divided this country as much as FLAKESnews.

So did you go buy a gun after the election?

[-] -3 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Up in the Country in Mich, we do not need to many guns because it is mainly all white. We mainly use guns for hunting deer, etc.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

What does skin color have to do with it?

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Never mentioned skin color but up here in the sticks there is a lot less violence then in the cities.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oh you didn't just say "it is mainly all white"? Maybe you meant the snow?

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

ya the snow

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Racist?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Just a lot more armed B & Es.

You know, like ones stealing the safes out of the gas stations.

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Seldom happens in Huron County

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Or you just pay attention to what you want to.

Then there's the matter of your racist statement.

That says all I need to know bout how you think and what you admit.

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Just a lot more armed B & Es.

You know, like ones stealing the safes out of the gas stations.//////////////////////////////////////////////////Seems more like a racial comment to me dimwit

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Are you a racist?

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

no but that shooz character must be

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

That is absolutely wrong. I know Shooz enough to state unequivocally that Shooz is not a racist. You however are clearly a racist piece of shit! And without the balls to admit it.

Most of you racists are fearful cowards, so I understand.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's because you are racist, and it's only a matter of time before you say something even stupider and get yourself banned.

It happens to most you them, you know.

Can you give me a heads up on your next username?.

[-] 0 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

What racist comment did I make??? was it the one where I said that we have guns to shoot deer??? oh no

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Have some courage! Admit your racism. It's the only way you can get the help you need. 1st step is acknowledging you failure.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Not surprising how soon you forget your own words, not to mention your inability to operate a scrolling page.........

You can re-read what I wrote above if you like................:)

It's just a matter of time.

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

I made no racist comments about blacks but it is a known fact that there is more crimes committed by them. Two good examples is Flint and Saginaw Mich. The two reality shows "cops" and "bait car" would not exist if it was not for blacks. Not being racial here but it is a fact.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Keep going.......You're almost there.

Shallow thinking, like that statement ensures it

BTW: YES! You did make a blatantly racist statement already.

2 strikes and your OUT!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Spoken like a true bigot.

I know folks up there who complain all deer season about the sound of automatic weapons in the woods up around Cadillac.

Sportsmen my ass.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If you went out a bought a gun after Obama won an election?

You might be a bigoted red neck.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah. And good lord they are buyin guns like desperate people.

That show "Doomsday Preppers" (Natgeo channel) is gonna have material for their show for decades to come.

[-] -1 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

This really isn't fucked up, when I was a kid O would have thought this was awesome. I was taught guns safety form a young age and that guns are to be respected. Never point it at someone even if it is unloaded. Our guns were always locked in my fathers gun safe and he and my mom were the only ones who knew the of combination. Of kids get ahold of loaded guns in their house and bring them to school then it is their parents fault. Kids need to be taught from a young age that guns can be dangerous when not handled properly. I got a 20 gauge shotgun for Christmas when I was 12. There is toning wrong with this as long as children are being taught gun safety.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Almost, always in the safe, you mean.

Did you get them out to celebrate killing things for Christmas?

[-] 0 points by Clancy (42) 2 years ago

Always in the safe unless we were hunting or just going to the range to enjoy shooting them. There is nothing wrong with that. Are you against hunting to?

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I am a firm believer in arms being for home defense, but these faux news loons make it even more complicated for citizens to purchase guns. Guns should only be used in home defense plain and simple.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's "right"

Fuck those 2year old's that can't operate a handgun safely!!!!

Let 'em shoot each other!!

It's their own damn fault when they die!!!!

Why pay a single dime more to protect a life, or aid a family stricken by gun violence, when you can just keep repeating the NRA mantras..

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

The NRA was set up to propagate a gun left/right war. I would never want to support them based on their background is masonry, as well as their disregard to human life.

Gun control is out of control. Regardless of how you feel about guns, project F&F, compliments of Obama and the cartel, puts guns in the hands of any buyer. Regardless of age. Regardless of conviction...regardless of the state of mind of the buyer.

Sickening.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"masonry"? you got a problem with bricklayers?

And what's wrong with gun control?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I have an issue with gun control because of a few issues: 1)It never cleans the streets up of murder 2)it puts guns back into the hands of the cartel 3)the law is unequal. Police use 'ham sandwich' plants to criminalize those working towards change.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

"ham sandwich plants" Whassat?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Unregistered guns or other arms, used as plants to frame.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Guns too easy to get. The gun show loopholes MUST be closed. Private sales MUST be tracked.

Framing people is bad! I'm against it but we need to deal with this gun problem.

We a right to bear arms in regards to an organized militia. Not sell them freely without anyone keepin track.

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I agree with you. Which is why I believe gun running, and the governments involvement in the cartel, must be exposed.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah sure. I would say that the gun dealers close to the Mexican border are more likely the culprits but certainly we should get any guvt people involved.

I seem to recall a pretty extensive congressional investigation on this issue without any prosecutions. So there may not be much there.

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

There's plenty there...the evidence was pretty much ignored and congress looked the other way.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

The Republican House (Issa) looked away and let the Dem Admin (AG Holder) off?

Sorry. Not likely.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Left...Right...it's all a ploy.

Both parties take lobbies and direction from a common enemy: Goldman Sachs

[-] 3 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You know true conservatives fighting for economic equilibrium" What does that mean.? Is that related to minimizing the concentration of wealth among the the top 1-2%?

"shifting from neo-con regulations" wouldn't that make these conservatives anti conservative (progressive)?

What is a "true conservative"?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

No. Those who label themselves as true economic conservatives,

*Economic Comservatives believe in conservation of national spending, no unequal taxing, as well as job creation through local economic stimulation. EC's also believe that no one entity should have so much concentrated wealth/power, in which can manipulate the democratic choice of the citizens.

*Neo-Conservatives are the ones who have created a neo-fudelistic society in which favors the 1%, as well as those connected to the banking cabals.

are fighting for less concentrated wealth and a society built on equal monetary opportunity.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Ok.Whatever you say.

I'm with you!

Good luck in all your good efforts.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Thank you for the support.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

what is a collectivist?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Well any body of activists could be collectivists. In reference to this issue however the collectivists are the ones helping ween society of the USD and focusing on alternative currencies for the movement.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

"create citizen run councils that govern.......non profit retirement system" "No government involvement required"

That's a little contradictory. But ok. I think you are saying a new government (of citizen voters) of these retirement accts. I like that. I support that goal!

Couldn't we just get the corp 1% oligarchs out of the existing government and create a citizen run govt? And isn't SS non profit already?

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

That's exactly what I'm advocating. Citizen run rule.

Well we could, but unfortunately our voting system is rigged. So we wouldn't even catch a true vote.

Well the SSA is a government run program that is funded by taxes. That doesn't constitute a nonprofit organization.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm against all propagahttp://occupywallst.org/forum/santa-guns-and-flakes/#tors of national greed, corp. corruption and elite power consolidation for the 1%. Whatever party affiliation they claim.

But outside of party labels I prefer to look at the particular policies,

I support the progressive policies of:protecting earned benefits of SS, Medicare, medicaid, ACA, Stronger regulations (fin/environ) Raising taxes on the wealthy, cutting taxes on working class, unions, cutting defense spending, investing in greentech jobs, infrastructure jobs, And others. (I support pols who agree with these policies even if they are Repubs)

I do not support conservative policies: trickle down economics, weak regulations, fossil fuel subsidies, privatizing/voucherizing SS, Medicare, education, increased defense spending, destroying the safety net. ( I am against pols who support these policies even if they are Dems)

I hope that is clear. Do you agree?

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I agree with some of your statement.

I do believe that SS is nothing more than a ploy to tax the middle class. So I don't agree with that

. I believe in universal healthcare, not Obamneycare. Some regulations are good, some are just there to further our debt. (*ie: earmarks that contain buffs for the elite) I agree the military industrial Complex must be ended. I believe in equal taxing. I do think green jobs would bring a new prosperity to the job market. I hate fossil fuel. I have been protesting that dirty market for years by not driving, or taking hydrogen fueled taxis. However I do believe that people must be given a choice. Every state has a right to govern themselves.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

So you like the true conservatives who do not seem to really exist. I like the sound of them too (except the "conservation of nat spending", that sounds like the real conservaitives) Does local job creation exclude national job creation?

Since the reality is that Neo-cons as you call them are the ones that exist perhaps we could specify that it is their policies that have crashed the world economy and stand with the oligarchs who exploit the 99%

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I'm all for those making change on either side. If you are not attempting to make changes to the system, favoring the Neo-cons and DINO's, and insist on spouting disinformation, you are the enemy of the people.

Of course not. We need to sprout these economic fires everywhere.

What I meant by national spending is the GDP budget being focused on the military industrial complex and invasion. Rather than improving our nation.

Neo-Cons and DINO's (Democratic [representatives] in name only) are propagators of national greed, corp. corruption and elite power consolidation for the 1%.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oh. But you do like those conservatives fighting for economic freedom though huh?

What does that mean? "fighting for"? And what exactly do you mean by "economic freedom"?

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I think that progress needs to be made across the board. Not just through leftist ideals, not just thought right ideals--but a system built by the citizens & for the citizens.

There are true conservatives that are on the front lines of OWS who are fighting for economic equilibrium. In which means shifting the focus from Neo-Con regulations and corruption in our economy. As well as giving power of our economy back to the people and decentralizing the mega banking system.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

And the progressives who are fighting to reimpose glass Steagal, & other stronger fin regs are the same as the conservatives fighting against them.?

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I do think that the conservatives fighting for economic freedom; have their economic eyes open, but place human rights on the back burner. As far as progressives go conservatives will never be on board with them fully. There will always be a wedge issue that divides. But such is true across the board.

But back your question: Yes there are those on the same side that fight against each other, due to paradigm politics. We must weigh through ALL propoganda and take our system back.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well perhaps whatever vote verifying mechanism you envision for your new citizen run governing councils can be applied to out existing system.

And if tax payers fund the existing SSA who would fund our new governing citizen council if not us citizen taxpayers.? And wouldn't that mean the new accts are also not non profit?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

Well the unfortunate issue with voter fraud is bringing it to light in our current system automatically means you will be discredited. I believe that if we implemented a one paper ballot-per vote & rid ourselves of electronic voter machines, we could save our system. But that's idolic at best. The ones in power would find a way to quash that idea, like they did with 3rd party votes and delegates in the 2012 election.

We would be implementing this idea without tax payer money. All contributions and monetary overhead would be on the collectivists. Which isn't a bad idea at all if we control the flow of the economy.

The new accounts would be for personal use only and bankers would be compensated for their work/services on the council solely.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Alright! "outside of the reigns of paradmatic economy," If you say so. As long as it's better. How can I help?

What king of collective action do you have in mind? Is the 1st step to end SS?

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

you can definitely help. The first step wouldn't actually be ending the SS, because unfortunately the SS is sustaining life for those in need. We would need to build a community of citizens willing to take up alternative currencies, as well as create citizen run councils that govern economic institutions. This is the first step.., Then creation of Non-profit retirement programs can be instituted, backed by the same citizen run economy we put in place. No government involvement needed.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well I certainly support a more perfect union, and as I said would accept a valid plan to provide for our elderly.

Not really sure what you support to provide these excellent goals.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I support collective action to eliminate the aristocratic control of the system. In which (in reference to the elderly) should have no interference in how citizens retire or when they can retire. We can implement a citizen run, outside of the reigns of paradmatic economy, retirement program that will cover everyday life. The current programs like the 401K are wrapped up in markets. We need to sepreate retirement plans, and pensions, from wall st today!!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Every state must submit to the peoples Fed govt. We settled that 150 years ago.

SS is the best program to keep the elderly from dying in destitution (as they did before SS)

I support removing the payroll cap on contributions so that the high paid pay as well as the middle class, I support adding a small tax on non payroll income (cap gains, royalties, carried interest, rental over 100k) I support means testing the benefit as well.

This would allow a decrease of the tax on the middle class. As you mentioned you support.

The ACA WILL be improved as the states begin to implement a public option which the bill allows through flexible waiver functionality. This will require we the people agitating all state pols to do just that.

Whatta ya think? Can we agree?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I don't believe a FED government has a place in our society. We need a citizen represented government. As I have said equal taxes or no taxes. SS would become obsolete if we had a currency that was decentralized and a market that is stable. SS is a bubble we as a generation won't see a dime of.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I think conservatives are tools of the 1% oligarchs (GS), while progressives are being attacked by those oligarchs.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

I think that both are built from the same fabric, and employed by the same banks/cabals.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Oh. So repubs aren't committed to repealing fin reform for goldman Saks, while Dems are being skewered by GS & other wall st corp 1% oligarchs for supporting additional stronger fin regs?

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Exactly. Anyone taking dark money needs to be ousted.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Well I'm glad we had a Fed govt representing the people to end slavery, and force the states to end segregation. Some states seem to be more prone to oppressing the people, and need help doing the right thing.

I don't see how SS would not be necessary but if you say so.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 1 year ago

I think that the FEDs have way overstepped in their reach for power. I believe that we can form a more perfect union--that is a an embodiment of citizen rule by vote. Our current system is nothing more than tyranny.

SS isn't needed in society that has equal access to the monetary system. If the citizens are in control of the currency true retirement programs can be implemented.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago
[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Free Masonry has been connected to power and economic consolidation throughout history. Research the sacred texts of all ages.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah I've heard. A bit conspiratorial no?

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

It's very conspiratorial. Masons have their hands dipped in structure of many historical systems of rule.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Yeah it's great fiction but I rather focus on reality.

Sorry.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

It's not fiction. The facts are there. Almost every founding father was of mason. They were guided to write the constitution in favor of the 1%. How is that fiction?

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

230 years ago elitest created a country to benefit their own class. No mystery there. We've chipped away at that injustice, & OWS is another effort in fighting that injustice.

None of that is real evidence of a masonic order in charge.

But regardless, Some elitist PTB are in fact our adversaries in this continuing battle against injustice, exploitation & oppression.

Masons, illuminati, lizard people, aliens. Whatever label we apply we should be clear that they are the ones who are pushing the failed, damaging, conservative policies that crashed the world economy and continue to prey on our families.

How's that.?

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Agreed. I don't know about lizard people though haha. David Icke pretty much kills his own credibility.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Entertaining though.

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

True.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I believe NRA were formed the same year as the KKK, & one of their 1st efforts were to make it illegal for African Americans to own guns!

Bastards!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here's a brief history of the NRA.

And YES after desegregation, it's initial aim was to limit gun access for blacks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/24/the-history-of-the-nra-is-really-interesting/

Another important point is knowing who founded the John Birch Society.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Was it ........ John Birch?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Nope....It was daddy Koch.

The man who's son's introduced you to libe(R)tarians, Citizens United, ALEC, runaway conse(R)vatism and a whole host of destructive, derisive, devise, right wing political.....um..........shenanigans.

YAY!

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

REALLY! That IS interesting. But not entirely surprising. A strange kinda expectation really.

I wanna say, Figures.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Maybe you aren't. Maybe you are just so numb in the brain that you can't help but feed into the most unimportant bullshit imaginable. Regurgitating info already covered by MSM with partisan implications. Maybe you really are just incapable of thinking on that higher plain. You don't strike me as the repetitive-natured person that DK and VQ have shown to be yet you stick to the same meaningless rabble. You know that in the end, I don't really care, but I do care about this movement and I do care about filling every corner of the web with information to counter oppression of the poor. If this actually means anything to you, maybe you should consider taking your subject matter to the next level. Maybe you should consider if a comment is fluff before replying. I don't give a damn what you think about me but if you support ending poverty, fixing the inequality in this country, maybe you should fucking act like it. Fuck what you think about me, what do you really believe in schooz.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What do I think of you richard?

I think you came here to drum up interest in your blog, and once that failed you began creating puppets and attacking people you thought should have embraced your blog.

Perhaps more telling is your response here has NOTHING to do with what I posted.

Just like right wingers have been doing for over a year.

So you tell me richard, why do you think it's called Occupy Wall Street?

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Time to call your doc about another medication adjustment

[-] -2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

lol. I did use the forum to find writers for citicommons, and when I post on my blog, I do sometimes post here. Can you please show me the ads on my blog? How about that lean to the right you always try to attach to me? I get most of my readers from facebook and twitter, but I do write on matters of poverty and that is 100% applicable to this movement. So please, feel free to continue trying to attach "Other" to my blog about poverty and economics.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Your rambling Fluffy.

Be careful your comments could be removed at any moment.

And don't worry I think we also "don't give a damn" about you. (although I can't really speak for anyone but myself of course).

Finally what exactly is "the next level" for our subject matter?

Hope that wasn't repetitive. Fluffy!

Hope that wasn't repetitive. Fluffy!

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

For you the next level would be a single thought.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Aaaaaaaaah Ha ha ha ha.

I have many, many thoughts. Your personal attack on me is weak and obviously amateurish.

I'll give you another try at substantive discourse, Fluffy.

[-] -1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

hey, you chose to start the day with me by calling me fluffy. Every day is a new day. Choose your path.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

No No you used fluff incorrectly against me 1st, & I told you fair & square you would be henceforth called fluffy as your punishment for that inaccurate offense.

And you never objected.

So.... Don't pretend like you didn't know

No No you used fluff incorrectly against me 1st, & I told you fair & square you would be henceforth called fluffy as your punishment for that inaccurate offense.

And you never objected.

So.... Don't pretend like you didn't know

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Aaaaaaaaah Ha ha ha ha.

I have many, many thoughts. Your personal attack on me is weak and obviously amateurish.

I'll give you another try at substantive discourse, Fluffy.

[-] -3 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

The dems are the ones that started the kkk and most of them still support it today

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[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

I believe this was the Democrat he was referring to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

He was a confederate and a traitor. Todays confederate sympathizers are in the repub party.

Read a book

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[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

But he was a Dem and he did found the KKK. Even you can't deny that

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Never denied. KKK founders/members s/b denounced. Today they are repubs!

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

The ones that formed the kkk were dems and you are in denial about it

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It's horrible. Today the racist party is the anti immigrant, anti minority, anti LGBT Repub party.

[-] -1 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

And just think, the dems started it all

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Racism preceded the dems so no they didn't start it. Racists started it.

And racists continue it today. And since Nixons "Southern Strategy" they racists have been courted by & comfortable in your republican party.

Regardless of what happened a century & a half ago, today the racists live in the repub party.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

The Dems started it. Republicans were often attacked by the Klan after it was founded. The first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention and no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves.

Learn some history. Read a book. Accept that your Democratic party made some mistakes.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Never denied Dems started the KKK. But racism precedes the Dem party. So no Dems did not start racism.

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[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Never denied that. I accept it and learned about it decades ago.

You have been denying the fact that for almost 50 years the racist party has been the repub party.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Never denied. KKK founders/members s/b denounced. Today they are repubs!

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

"Racism preceded the dems so no they didn't start it."

wait. Were you denying that the Dems started the KKK or that the Dems started racism?

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Dems started racism and it still lives within them today.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

You are in denial. The racist party is the repub party for almost 50 years

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Racism preceded the dems so no they didn't start it. Racists started it.

And racists continue it today. And since Nixons "Southern Strategy" they racists have been courted by & comfortable in your republican party.

Regardless of what happened a century & a half ago, today the racists live in the repub party.

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[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

You are still in denial, sad

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Well, it would appear that Mr. mill is gone so I guess you have taken his place and have become a lying piece of ____.

Show me the Dem in the modern video, or are afraid to even watch it?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

That guy in the sheet, third from the left, he's a Dem. That other guy in the sheet's a Libertarian. The two guys on the right (they are both wearing sheets), they are politically agnostic, but they flirted with Communism when they were in college.

Trust me. I can spot a person's political party membership just by looking at them.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Nope. They're not.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Prove they are not or be called a lying piece of __.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's easy. I watched the thing and listened to what they said.

Since you're so observant, you should have known.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Robert Byrd is a great example of Dem Party hypocrisy.

Anyone who thinks the rich elites in both these parties arent horribly racist needs to rethink things.

But there is no doubt that you will hear more racist comments come out of people who are registered Republicans than Democrats.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Byrd is long dead and renounced the kkk decades ago. Just as the party of racists has moved from dems to repubs almost 50 years ago.

All repubs are NOT racists but all racists ARE repubs, no?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

No. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say. Is Anders Behring Breivik a Republican? Stop saying that if you don't want people to think you are an idiot

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Breivick was not American but like our American Repub party he was right wing, anti muslim. and anti feminism, So If he were American he would have fit in fine with our racist repub party.

"Breivik described his far-right[11] militant ideology in a compendium of texts entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, which he distributed electronically on the day of the attacks.[11][12][13][14] In it he lays out his worldview, which includes Islamophobia, support of Zionism[11] and opposition to feminism."

Ok? you got any one else up robe?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

You need to modify your declaration then. How about :

"All Repubs are NOT racists but all racists ARE like our American Repub party because they are right wing, anti Muslim. and anti feminism and if they were Americans they would fit in fine with our racist Repub party"

not as snappy I admit, but it makes you seem a lot less ignorant.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Or I can just say whatever the fuck I want about American racists, and swat down your ignorant, meaningless, distractions as easily as I did this one.

Snappy enough for you freak?

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I also didn't think you could say anything else about racism except that it's bad, but ask shooz about Mia Love and Stacey Dash and you'll be surprised just like I was.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

No thanks. i trust Shooz well enough.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I have no problem with either comment. Certainly I don't consider it racist and obviously neither VP Biden or Prof West are racists.

I would agree with Prof West that Pres Obama is not progressive enough, and that like any progressive Pres in the past, Pres Obama needs someone pushing him to implement progressive solutions.

Prof West is trying, just as OWS is trying to.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I goofed up and forgot your situational ethics when it comes to racism. Should have asked what you would think about someone who said it, THEN told you they were Democrats after you went on about how racist they were.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Stop babbling!

Racism is bad. What else is there to say about it?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

Didn't knock my socks off, but I guess it will have to do.

So how do you feel about the "Rockefeller Republican in blackface" comment that was made about Obama recently? Or Obama being referred to as a "homeboy"?

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Didn't hear that. Who said it? Got a link?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's even dumber. They don't have (R)epelican'ts there.

Wise decision.

They do however, like us, have right wing nut jobs like Breivik.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 2 years ago

Hmmm. The don't have Republicans over there. Or in Asia or the Middle East or Africa or other places where racism can be easily found. So I guess "all racists ARE repubs" would in fact be an incorrect statement then, wouldn't it?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You missed the part about right wing nut jobs.

Now why would you do that?

Certain members and former members of the (R)epelican't party have gone on record, to point out that YES, many in the GOP are racists, and sponsor racist legislation. One of them in Florida, made the statement to a Grand Jury.....under penalty of perjury, if he were to lie.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

You missed the point I was making about that not being a true statement. Now why would you do that? Oh, now I remember why.

Were the people who set that girl on fire for wearing an Obama shirt Republicans?

There are racists in both parties. Everyone knows this. Everyone. You citing court testimony to prove this is funny on sooooo many levels.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That points not here.

So what was your point?

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (39) 2 days ago

Hmmm. The don't have Republicans over there. Or in Asia or the Middle East or Africa or other places where racism can be easily found. So I guess "all racists ARE repubs" would in fact be an incorrect statement then, wouldn't it? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Nah. The racist party switched from dems to repubs almost 50 years ago.

Read a book!

[-] -3 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

Who cares the dems still started it

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

It matters who started the KKK. Definitely. It matters even more who supports racist policies TODAY. YOU, & your repub party are anti minority, immigrant, LGBT, womens rights & on & on.

So we must care about history and current reality.

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

The dems should be condemned for starting it in the first place but instead they are praised. The dems hung and burnt a lot of blacks homes

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

Of course the people (dems) who started the KKK & lynched/terrorized so many people should be & are condemned.

We condemn their descendents (who are now repubs) as well.

Ya with us?

[-] -2 points by thestonemill (-93) 2 years ago

You must have to be a liar to post on this forum because when I post true comments, I get a negative for it

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 2 years ago

I don't think the voting is a measure of truthfulness, Nor do the numbers matter very much, so don't worry about it.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yes I know.

You don't support them, you just keep repeating their mantras of multiple lies.....................welcome the world of marketing penetration.

WE....the USA are still #1 on that score.

Now that's really, really sickening and very, very ugly.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

How do you know what I believe? Oh it must be because you're in my head. I think for myself. No one influences what I think. You won't, the right doesn't, the left doesn't...why? Because I'm an intellectual thinker. Stop scapegoating.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Quite frankly?

I don't think you know what you believe, nor why you believe it.

Intellectual? Really?

OK show me the masons.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/24/the-history-of-the-nra-is-really-interesting/

You sound more like an Alex Joneser.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Our gov has been doing that for a very very long time. How Obama managed to get busted is anyone's guess.

But lets not make gun running an Obama issue. Its a government issue. Its an over arching loyalty, corruption and transparency issue.

[-] 0 points by ivyquinn (167) 2 years ago

Agreed