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Forum Post: Sandy, NYC and Michael Bloomberg

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 5, 2012, 2:57 p.m. EST by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY
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As rescuers were finding dead old people starved and dehydrated and without their oxygen canisters and medications dead in their apartments Michael Bloomberg shouted "Let the games commence!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_nKruaTeEf0#t=0s and insisted that the NYC Marathon go ahead as planned. That got squashed when the Road Runners Club told him "no go." I am surprised the asshole didn't then proclaim that the Halloween parade go ahead in its place, but maybe someone with a brain has his trust on some matters.

This storm is like nothing I have seen in my over sixty years living in NYC. I plan on putting on you tube some of the devastation I observed. As of now, around 40,000 of the eight million New York City dwellers are either completely without housing or are in housing that lacks heat, water and electricity as the cold weather season starts in earnest. Half of these displaced people are residents of Public Housing- not celebrities, not rich, many with no resources at all. Worksites are demolished or put out of operation. This is not a time for me to come and ask you to give to charity. Much more than charity is called for. This, dare I say, is a crisis that grips a majority minority city and its environs. And while it impacts heavily on people of every race it has landed with full force on the traditionally and customarily disadvantaged.

There needs to be a revolution in priorities, something that neither Obama nor Romney would speak of, Obama out of fear, for he must actually understand this, nor Romney out of idiotic superstitious arrogance and Mormon stupidities. The best shot of course is to go with the Black Guy who afgter all is pretty bright (Harvard Law Review ) and familiar with how the "little people" live ( (having once been one himself) tomorrow. At least he can be pressured to do what has to be done. With the Mormon and a Tea Bagger Congress those people who live in areas close to oceans must abandon all hope.

Jill Stein voters are throwing Minorities, Gays, Women, Unions, and now the environment itself under the bus. Let's gear up to raise holy hell and make the necessary revolution happen and let's not slam the door on our own fingers.



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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Your post is confusing, but one thing I'm not confused about is that Goldman Sachs will have a victory tomorrow.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

When the pols showed the Mormon was almost without a prayer the market fell. Go figure.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6622) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

you sound a lot like Nader did in 2000, if he had supported the most environmental person we ever could have had we might be doing something about this, but like you he was more concerned about purity

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Is Obama gonna stop the drone attacks? Huh? Huh? Is he gonna leave Afghanistan? Huh? Huh? The differences are there, but they are slight. I want real change going forward and we're not going to get it by voting in these corporate owned bozos over and over and over.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6622) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Romney will bring you some real change if he gets to replace Ginsburg.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Maybe, had more lefties had the guts to vote for Nader in 2000 we wouldn't be in this position. We need a much stronger left in this country and we're not going to get it by voting in the Dems who are fully owned and co-opted by corporate America.

No more blood on my hands, sorry. I could not in good conscience vote for Obama.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6622) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

and if we all won the lottery life would be different, but in the mean time I'd like to try and keep the world from dying....given what a liar and political hack Nader turned out to be I'd say we may have been lucky he didn't win...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

We won the same old crap. Sorry, I'm not cheering.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The result was a block on the rabid right.

Whether that was orchestrated or actually a voted result is not for me to say.

To my mind, this simply gives us more time to plan the next phase of events.

It's not like everyone was running around trying to field another candidate.

What's gonna happen now from your perspective?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Sadly, I don't think Americans are up for big change. They don't take to the streets the way Canadians and Europeans do. So, not much, anytime soon. We will continue to live within our faux democracy. We will continue bombing other nations. We will continue to have 22% of our children in poverty. We will continue to ravage the environment. Etc. Etc. Just all on a slightly less devastating scale with Obama. But, don't forget, the Congress is still controlled by Reps, so status quo is all we got here.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm also nonplussed with the outcome.

Difference is, I see a day when Americans do give a phukk, and do care about what happens if they stop caring again.

Call me a dreamer, but it's a much better mind-space to inhabit than seeing a great country become a toilet for a very selfish minority.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6622) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

it's sort of like being told "the operation was successful" , I think I understand,

if I might suggest try telling the truth as best you can, here's place to start,

"there are huge differences between the GOP and the Ds, but I still think the Greens would be better" (or something to that effect) see how it feels to be truly free from working night and day to build a political party...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26682) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I will start cheering - when people powered initiatives start happening. Like success on Move to Amend.


[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

When exactly? And, what about the drone attacks?


[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

I'll believe that when I see it. And, the drone attacks?


[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the drones will move to North Africa, stay in Pakistan, stay in Yemen, and stay in Somalia.... and probably stay in Afghanistan with the hired mercs.

That's a lot of countries to be bombing. 6 in one term. Will he break that number in this term? Iran is on the table.

[-] 8 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

The drone issue pushed me over the edge to vote for Jill Stein. No more blood on my hands. We need to keep pressing on this issue.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the drones, joining NATO to take out Libya, and claiming Iran is a threat and agreeing with republicans on "nuclear Iran" were my tipping points.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

I hear you.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

NDAA was my limit.

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

We need more people like you to draw a line that they will not cross. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Thanks, LetsGetReal. There are a lot of us here, you are one of them.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

Same here. Agree.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Hi Nevada. Nice.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4784) 1 year ago

Good evening beautiful,

Voted D for president for 40 years. Not this time.

With all that happened under Obama in first term, wondering about second term.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21335) 1 year ago

Same here. Not for 40 years though, lol. I listened to Jill Stein and she says all the stuff I say, so I voted for her. We'll see what happens, Nevada. Probably not much.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The Mujahedin still have all the stingers that the cia gave them to take down the ruskies to help end the cold war.

Only a fool would risk a drone in the north of Afghanistan.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

And thousands of shoulder to air missiles have gone missing in Libya... yet the CIA still wants to expand the drone program into north africa.

With military funding going up every year... they can probably afford it... and you know boeing and raytheon won't complain.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The rebels in north Africa are MI5 CIA

Why worry about your own rebels?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

hey dude ask the CIA. they're trying to get white house approval to expand the drone program.

"The CIA is urging the White House to approve a significant expansion of the agency’s fleet of armed drones, a move that would extend the spy service’s decade-long transformation into a paramilitary force, U.S. officials said.

The proposal by CIA Director David H. Petraeus would bolster the agency’s ability to sustain its campaigns of lethal strikes in Pakistan and Yemen and enable it, if directed, to shift aircraft to emerging al-Qaeda threats in North Africa or other trouble spots, officials said."

Because you know... now we need to bomb North Africa.


[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Yeah, I've seen it. 007 fantasies.

Death without justification or jurisdiction.

Expect IEDs to start blowing up in your streets soon.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I fucking hope not. What makes you say that?

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

From below. We ran out of replies.


It was MI6. Sorry. What I'm saying is, when this shit all comes out, like it really should when your own people are dying so a bunch of lying kunts can get richer than any person really needs to be, there's gonna be bloodshed on the streets of the US, and hopefully it will be the one percenters getting blown up as they leave their gated condominiums.

Don't forget that they started this class war. We are here to finish it.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

in perfect time to go to Iran.

guaranteed minimum 13 years of war.... and you praise?

let's not forget about all the hired mercs that will stay there... probably even more than stayed in Iraq.


[-] -1 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Can someone please remind me how the hell we got drones and Afghanistan???


[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

And who was in charge of national defense? What did they decide to do about it? And what was the result?


[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

So did Obama initiate Afghanistan and drones? or did he inherit them and choose resolution ASAP, MIC and BIG Fossil permitting?


[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

ZD, did you hit your head or something?


[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago


The bogus wars were New World Order, Big Fossil-MIC wet kisses. Police actions ala Clinton were all that were necessary.

The apocalypse was postponed today. Get some rest.


[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

First, you sound really different.

Second, WRONG!

Bush-Cheney-Rummy ended all police actions (Which Clinton successfully used to apprehend the trade center bombers and other terrorists) because they wanted a war they could profiteer from, help Big Fossil and rearrange the pieces on the world order board.

Hope you get better. Do you know how to make a link to/for a printable post card?

[-] -1 points by Futurevision1 (-75) 1 year ago

So you have given up. Okay. Will that mean that the majority of the nation don't really want your god Obama to continue wrecking the nation?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Republicans are saying that voting for Gary Johnson steals votes away from Romney. Democrats are saying voting for Jill Stein steals votes from Obama.

Should I vote for Gary instead of Jill Stein? That way I'd be stealing votes from Romney instead right?

You democrats and republicans with your constant attacks on third parties is outlandish and absurd.

You completely disregard the drug laws supported by both major parties that have been called the New Jim Crow due to the obvious racism behind imprisonment numbers for drugs.

When is Obama going to propose legislation on a federal level for gay marriage rights? You know Romney won't do it. Why didn't he sign an executive order protecting LGBT rights under Federal Contracts? Romney won't do that either.

Jill Stein has better policies in regards to gay rights and women. And she is a woman. I'm voting for her. You can throw whatever kind of hate my way for doing that... if you feel it necessary.


[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Agree. Also think we have had a Labor War waged by Capitalist/Republicans/Democrats since like 1970. Was going to post something to the effect It is the Labor War, Stupid, Money Corrption, Capitalist Corruption, Two Party System. Since the 1960 wins for Labor RIghts, and OSHA, Strategic Plans by Coporations and INvestors like the Bankers has been ....to Loot money from Corporate Revenue with complex Benifit Packages...Off Shore Production....Increase corporate Subsidy Programs from Federal Budgets... Increase defense Spending... Increase Tax Abatements ...Increase Public Private Enterprises .... get money for Giant Retail Corporations Like Walmart for Parking Lots & Warehouses ...and get subsidies for exploration and drilling of petroleum products.

And they had the nerve to go after Pension Funds and sell them Private Equity Fund investments... not to mention Real Estate ...and the Financial Crash ...and Auto bailout Pension Fund.

I'm still thinking "JILL STEIN".

[-] 0 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Oy what a twerp - okay here goes- "Should I vote for Gary instead of Jill Stein? That way I'd be stealing votes from Romney instead right?" Idiot. Gary took votes from the main racist bigot coalition (GOP/KKK/Mormon) and that was a good thing. Stein etc. took votes from the rising coalition of blacks, latinos, gays, lower income women and decent white men of good will. You are outside that coalition anyhow so probably your vote for Stein didn't impact anything.

"When is Obama going to propose legislation on a federal level for gay marriage rights?" You have a rather short memory. Do you remember when "don't ask don't tell" was the agenda of gay activists and the rightwing bigots opposed it? Things have progressed rapidly for gay rights. The president of the US spoke forcefully in favor of gay marriage and abolished the anti gay regulations in the military. Gays and their allies have to push more. With Obama such a push will likely succeed. With your guy, the Mormon, that would have not been possible,

Ditto we must campaign for decrimninalization or legalization of pot and even other drugs. That would put a serious crimp into the plans of the prison capitalists and would be a big relief for the non white communities who suffer most of the drug prosecutions in spite of the fact that whites consume more drugs than they do.

"Jill Stein has better policies in regards to gay rights and women." Well, my personal platform is way to the left of hers and it matters just as much, ie. mnoot at all. You lost last night so get over it.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You don't think Cons would lie do you?

Cons are the 3rds biggest backers.

And the GOP plants are the biggest Dem slimers and blamers, even though nearly every problem people complain about was caused or obstructed by Cons.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

"Cons are the 3rds biggest backers" -That is a lie and you know it.

I voted third party in a red state and Obama still won the election. Looks like you can't blame me or the 3rd party voters anymore. Also every single democrat I voted for lost. Did I throw my vote away on those democrats like I did voting 3rd party for president? Or is your theory falling apart?

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I don't really have to explain the flaws in your reasoning do I?

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

blaming third party candidates takes away blame from the corruption behind the GOP and money in politics.

No it's not all Nader's fault. It's the fucking money in politics and the strings attached.

[-] -2 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You sometimes sound sooo innocent I feel I have to help you with your own faulty arguments.

We're over RN, it was stolen, RN just made it easier.

We want 3rds, we have to reform the system, then we can have them. They may have done harm with down ballot votes, though. You'd think an electorate that votes Obama might want to vote for a more cooperative congress. That's the real problem!

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The electorate did vote for a Democratic Congress. We do not have a democratically elected Congress. We should make this a big issue.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Not in the House and not a super majority in the Senate. Filibuster same as it ever was. Then there are states and local govs invaded by Cons. Much work to do.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Already had that. Already got screwed.

Universal care? Fuck no. Force the fuckers to buy it from em.


[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

No offense, but "little guys" dont get into Harvard.

For you to say that about Jill....you will get what your ignorant deserves.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I happen to be a taxi driver who does not own a medallion- ie. I work like a peon while not a whole lot of money. My two daughters, very bright and hard working and resolute each got into Ivy League schools on scholarships and financial aid as did my step daughter. Obama, whatever else can be said against him which is plenty, was a kid like my kids. The Ivy's are looking all the time for a few kids like that.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Did they smoke a lot of pot?

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Not to my knowledge, and if they had I'd have squelched that! But you know young people have their own clandestine lives that older folk cannot easily penetrate.

[-] 1 points by DouglasAdams (188) 1 year ago

I think the responses to this post overlook Bloomberg's role in this tragedy. Declaring gasoline rationing is recognition that some hands-on action is necessary.

Where are the bilionaires when we need them? Spending $100,000,000 of his own money to win a third Mayoral term, but hardly a trickle flowing to rescue stranded New Yorkers in Staten Island and the other boroughs.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Yes. You know that there was a terrible category four or five hurricane that hit Long Island in 1938. No one with a brain should have assumed that such a disaster could not happen in the Big Apple. It was and is the responsibility of the state to have been prepared for this sort of thing, with tents, generators, prepared meals, all sorts of resources on the ground in strategic places throughout the city. They most certainly have been dropping the ball every day since that storm in 1938!!

As for what Bloomberg could do out of pocket- wow, yeah. He could house all the people still stranded in Haiti, and build an infrastructure of roads that would help them become self sufficient and still have plenty left over to go to Broadway shows and fine restaurants. There need be a revolution to take the decision on these matters out of his hands.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

Out of the hands of all 1%ers and politicians. The constitution clearly placed the people in power but nobody recognizes that now because of information warfare. It's no wander that TV and Hollywood make dumb look cool. It's much easier to sell an idiot his own shirt.

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

"After 12 days without power, Cumming said, “People are starting to get very, very desperate.”

And now that snowstorm hit NYC. This is how things will collapse - not recovered from one disaster before the next one hits.

More Quotes from Electric workers from outside the area who came to help: "When a snowstorm hit the area last week, a woman pleaded with them, crying, to get her heat back on. Her young son was awaiting life-saving brain surgery that if he fell ill — a strong possibility without heat — he wouldn’t receive. When they finally got her power on, she broke down crying as she thanked them"

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

The PTB have been dropping the ball each and every day since the Long Island hurricane of 1938. That should have been warning enough as to what could happen and a spur to be prepared, but no!!!! Obama is coming to NYC on Thursday. A protest of the too little too late response would be appropriate, no?

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Thanks for this - the MSM could be making a huge deal out of it, but it is being played like any old rainy day.

They don't want to draw attention to the connection to AGW [global warming, eh] and that MORE IS COMING.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

"Let's gear up to raise holy hell and make the necessary revolution happen "

By voting for the Democrat (or as you know him, the "Black Guy") who increased the power of the Patriot Act? You and I have different definitions of revolution.

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Yeah, my revolution is led by millions of workers, the poor, women without money, gays, oppressed minorities and awake and feeling white men. My revolution is political and on the ground. It deals with realities and not personal statements of supposed purity. Your revolution is led by mainly white make narcissists who can't get outside their own belly buttons.

[-] -1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

If your goal is to keep pro Patriot Act politicians in office, you're doing a bangup job. Congrats

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

You did absolutely nothing of any value to unseat them. You did, however, try to place outright white racists, gay bashers, misogynists , cultural and political neanderthals into the political and cultural catbird seat and for that I guess you are proud? Lucky for the most part you were thwarted.

[-] 1 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Jill Stein lost, so yes I was thwarted. Hope you enjoy the people you voted for taking more of your privacy away. You must be very proud


"When it comes to requests for information, the United States is far and away the leader of the pack."

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So you supported RP and GAry Johnson, because by your logic they were actually working for Obama!!!

[-] 2 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

If they took votes away from Romney that was good, though as things turned out it wasn't necessary.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

They were obviously working for the Dems haha.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

If they were, then the Dems were damned clever in putting them up, though it was quite a blowout. You know, so strong a landslide that the tinkering around the edges of the voting machines and the fake white power third party runs couldn't staunch it.


[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

How many progressives vote for Gary Johnson? I though hewas Libertarian? What about Stein? She probably got ALL the progressive votes!

Do you think some progressives stayed home? How many of the 60 million or so non voters were progressives?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

People who simply want to live a decent life make up about 75% of the country, not having much of a political mindset at all. The other 25% is divided between brainwashed D/R supporters, progressives, communists, libertarians, etc.

Thats my guess. And the none voters are closer to 120 million.

[-] 1 points by bestevidence (170) 1 year ago

Funny, then how the GOP garnered almost all the older white male vote, particularly in the old Confederate slave states, and the Dems got the minorities, women, younger people and took the Old Union States by storm. In fact what the GOP got was the Old slaver South (Minus Virginia), The Mormon ruled state of Utah, plus two states where Mormons are a powerful though not totally dominant force (Arizona and Idaho) plus the prairies where yougn people flee for their lives. Anyhow this is the voter demographic you allied yourself with because when push comes to shove, fascism is not so bad if one isn't in a target group. Right bigboy???

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

In fascism everyone is a target. Fascism exploits whoever possible for those in power to gain.

Divide and conquer is their game. They have to rep "both" sides to stay in power. Otherwise someone like Dennis Kucinich could get momentum. THEY can't have democrats that wanted to impeach Bush and pushes for minimum wage increase take power. Hence the massive levels of propaganda to sidetrack opposition and keep real people out of the public eye.

Obviously one is worse. And that's how they will continue to win. They invented the lesser of 2 evils strategy and both sides have that mentality when they vote. They play the world like a game of chess.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You are clearly an unstable conspiracy theorists.

I think we can trust Kucinich who voted with Dems 90% of the time and joined the congressional progressive caucus which included no Repubs.

It ain't the lesser of 2 evils. One party IS better. Take the tin foil hat off. LOL

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Back when I said Bush was a war criminal, it was the republicans who called me a conspiracy theorist.

Fucking party shill.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I'm against the afghan war I protest it and denounce it. You bring it up as a distraction from your silence on the right wing fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda that has created the support for all these crimes.

Your continued silence on this root is what makes you a partisan.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

What silence?

I've been posting on the legislation and saying call your congressman in regards to these wars

specifically on the NDAA's

Partisan is thinking only one party has responsibility or power in an area. I'm saying it's BOTH parties who have contributed to this. That's not partisan.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

The roots of the problem TODAY is the ongoing right wing effort of fear mongering 'war on terror' Propaganda.

Watch them criticize Pres Obama when he suggests that Al Qeada is decimated. (they know he wants to declare their 'war on terror' over)

Look at them criticize Pres Obama for never using the term 'war on terror'

He is attempting to ratchet down the rhetoric and they are squealing like stuck pigs.

You ignore that right wing effort to provide cover for them. THAT is what makes you a partisan.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Al Qaeda is decimated.

Which means keeping 68,000 troops in Afghanistan for another 2 fucking years is absolute bullshit.

War profiteers still hard at work.

What excuses will you come up with for still having 68,000 troops in Afghanistan and bombing multiple countries this year? If Al Qaeda is decimated then there is no reason to continue bombing countries and occupying a country.

Perpetual war fighting blowback. That's their plan.

Rayhteon and Boeing are making a killing. - this is me mentioning part of the ROOT in the problem... war profiteers.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Bush ain't Pres! What about the other right wing wackos stoking the flames of war?

You never criticize the people spewing the propaganda.

You only ever attack Pres Obama. I criticize Pres Obama, and protest against his failures. I also know enough to recognize the roots of war. And denounce it.

You do not.

THAT is what makes you a partisan.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

First you tell me to go back to the roots of the problem and then you tell me "Bush ain't prez"

Obama pushes the propaganda too you know. He and Bush have gone on TV telling me about the people in caves that want to kill me.

I've also posted on Lindsey graham. I dedicated an entire month or so back when the NDAA of 2012 was passing and he spewed "the world is a battlefield" bill.

Choose an angle VQ. Calling me a republican ain't working.

Also all my posts on the drones are verbatim from Dennis Kucinich. So you're entire stance on those is... is... I'm at a loss for words.... You're a party shill.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You have NEVER mentioned the fear mongering propaganda. THAT is at the root. IT MUST go 1st!

We can denounce and protest the military action, & the rights violations.

I support you on that.

But the propaganda MUST be acknowledged specifically and denounced, ridiculed and defeated.

Propaganda creates support. It MUST go 1st.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There was more talk of war in the state of the union address and the debates than ever before.

This isnt a democrat and republican problem, its a government problem.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You have no clue what you are talking about.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

You said earlier that progressives did not vote for Pres Obama. So I guess you know how they voted.

That is why I asked.

So do you know? Or not? If so, how did progressives vote?

If you don't know then I guess you were not speaking from facts when you made the claim that progressives didn't vote for Pres Obama.

Which is it?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Well seems how "progressive" is an opinion, and not a registration letter, there is no way to get any hard facts on it.

People who identify as progressives, on the other hand, are a very small number in the public. "Progressives" is getting pretty deep into political lingo for the vast amount of liberal leaning average people.

Im going to guess that out of all those that consider themselves "progressives" that about half, maybe a bit more, voted for Obama.

I stated that it was average people who make up the vast majority of D/R votes, not progressives. Lets not twist the words up.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

I believe your statement was that "the majority of Obamas votes were not progressives" Now your saying "half, maybe a bit more" That sounds like a majority, (and a contradiction)

You have also now described progressives in a bit of a convoluted way. Which kind ofreflects thereal possibility that you have no facts about who voted for Pres Obama. It was only your opinion. Nothing wrong with that.

But you did use the term first so whatever definition you were thinking of would be the definition in force.

Of course I believe the vast majority of Pres Onamas supporters are progressives. (You and I probably disagree on thedefinition of progressive)

I think further that NO progressives voted for repubs. What do you think?

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ya, obviously those that claim to be progressives were not voting for Romney.

Im said that the majority of those voting for Obama wouldnt consider themselve progressives. They are just normal people. Of those that consider themeselves "progressives", probably around half voted for Obama. See?

The definition of progressive is whatever the person who claims to be one says it is.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Oh ok. Whatever each person says.

Wow. That's pretty flexible. LOL

Doesn't mean much, if what it is can change so easily.

But ok. I'll accept all that as a weak attempt to minimize the fact that most progressive voters chose Pres Obama. Notwithstanding your opinion & your wishy washy definition.

We should put the election behind us, get into the street and protest all pols for progressive change that benefits the 99%.


[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Sadly there is no viable and credible revolutionary alternative in the USA today and yet and still the earth continues to turn and people make decisions based upon the actual reality of the times. It was necessary to defeat the coalition of bigots that formed around Mitt the Mormon. Glad they got their asses whipped. Happy to see the determination of the black people who stood on line in Florida and especially freezing cold Ohio even after the vote was called - they stood for their basic human right to be counted, something that OWS never grasped nor acknowledged much to its shame.

[-] -1 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I don't think the 3rds deliberately throw our needy under the bus, but drawing votes when there's no chance of winning (we have to work on that, but not now) is either reckless, selfish or RepubliCon.

A mere 500+ votes gave us Bush-Cheney-and 1% New World Order, Shock Doctrine hell. Let's not repeat that until we at least clean up the carnage from the last fucking mistake!

Vote out the Cons!

[-] 2 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

It's not about intentions, it's about effect of actions. In effect the left 3rd parties do throw the above mentioned groups under the bus. They do display an insufferable narcissism in my view and I am so glad they got whumped last night by the rising coalition of blacks, Latinos, and decent white people, which they are not part of.

(edit) the word "left" should be in quotes).

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I totally agree!!! Where have you been???

Please contribute: http://occupywallst.org/forum/now-that-we-got-our-guy-reelected-why-dont-we-do-s/

[-] 2 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Checking it out now.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1972) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

I just added to it so re-read it. Thanx!

[-] -3 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Chris Matthews says "So glad we had Sandy, it really has helped Obama"

[-] 3 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

A very boorish and insensitive statement. If true he ought to be ashamed.

[-] -2 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

he really did say it

[-] 2 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

Then he's an asshole. I am not responsible for the musings of a corporate liberal TV personality. I hope he is big enough of a man then to own up to it and say he's truly repentant.

[-] -1 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Matthews is an obama pole smoker

[-] 1 points by bERNARDmARX (37) from New York, NY 1 year ago

He smokes a pole? Where does he live? Is it legal there? There is a smokable pole brand name "Obama?"

Me I don't smoke anything at all and recommend that no one else does either.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3257) 1 year ago

Even if he really did say it, you do not have to repeat it in multiple places unless you truly concur. The Truth needs to be said and discussed, however uncomfortable it can make us feel or however gory it may be, but it should be done only in the context of possibly creating some good for the future.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 1 year ago

is that somewhere i can see it