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Forum Post: Romney is not the problem – the problem is the stupid & the lemmings who cannot find the TRUTH

Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 4, 2012, 7:40 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Romney is not the problem –
the problem is the stupid & the lemmings who cannot find the TRUTH

Jonathan Chait: [ slightly edited ] Last night Romney was forceful and articulate and dodged his association with almost all the most unpopular aspects of his platform. But his success at doing so was built upon two demonstrable lies. The most important was taxes. Romney asserted, “I cannot reduce the burden paid by high-income Americans.” Let me explain how this is untrue even by his own campaign’s accounting. Obama badly flubbed this topic by allowing Romney to change the baseline of the discussion. Romney is promising to extend all the Bush tax cuts and refuses to accept even slightly higher revenue as part of a deficit deal. On top of that, he is proposing a huge, regressive income tax rate cut that would reduce revenue by an additional $5 trillion, but promises to make up for it by closing tax deductions. Obama directed his fire almost entirely at the additional tax cut, leaving mostly untouched, until the end, Romney’s pledge to never bargain away any of the Bush tax cuts. Obama’s case was sound. The Tax Policy Center has shown that the stated parameters of Romney’s plan don’t add up — even under favorable assumptions, there are not enough tax deductions for the rich to close to pay for the rate cuts. The truth - he will reduce taxes on the rich. Romney flat-out lied. The other issue was health care. Romney has promised to protect health insurance for people with preexisting conditions who maintain continuous coverage. That caveat is vital, because that right has existed since 1996. It’s a very minor protection. Phrasing his promise this way has allowed Romney to make a promise that sounds like he would keep Obamacare’s protections for people with preexisting coverage without committing himself to anything at all (except, I suppose, keeping in place a 1996 law that didn’t do much). At the debate last night, Romney didn’t phrase his promise in this misleading-but-true fashion. He promised, “preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” That is a lie. He dropped the legalistic mumbo-jumbo that renders his promise meaningless and promised something. But his plan doesn’t do that. And his adviser Eric Fehrnstrom, asked after the debate if Romney was really promising to cover people with preexisting conditions, admitted that he isn’t. (“With respect to pre-existing conditions, what Governor Romney has said is for those with continuous coverage, he would continue to make sure that they receive their coverage.”)


Romney won the debate in no small part because he adopted a policy of simply lying about his policies.


Probably the best way to understand Obama’s listless performance is that he was prepared to debate the claims Romney has been making for the entire campaign, and Romney switched up and started making different and utterly bogus ones - LIES.

Obama, perhaps, was not prepared for that, and he certainly didn’t think quickly enough on his feet to adjust to it.


And if willard's performance was not enough to make you sick -
think of who his supreme court picks would be

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[-] 3 points by ericweiss (575) 11 years ago

Obama must see the HE is the best one to prove willard's lies are lies
HE MUST ACT !
just tell the truth !

I will not cut planned parenthood
I saved GM
I will not end the inheritance tax
I will not ened the cap gains tax
I do not have a personal fortune secreted in the Caymans
I signed the equal pay act
I want to raise taxes on the 1%
I will not voucherize medicare
I will not privatize social security
I will not appoint a scalia - thomas
I got binladen
I believe in marriage equality
I got rid of DADT
I am against voter supression
I am against privatization

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[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 11 years ago

Wow bensdad. You didn't notice Obama lying as well? That's what these jokers do. After all they are politicians. When will you ostriches with your heads in the sand get a clue?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 11 years ago

specifically which factual LIE

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 11 years ago

This is why they are lemmings.....

http://occupywallst.org/forum/comcast-cut-c-span/

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Plenty of us know the truth, and that is why we are not endorsing the D/R anymore.

Let us know when you catch up.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 11 years ago

and I think Obama's downward gaze was trying to find things in his notes to use - without sounding too "attack" mode


willard is a pathalogical liar - and Obama / Biden can simply prove this by delivering a set of his previous positions

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

This was a classic rope a dope, Obama could slam this clown Mittens continually for 90 minutes if he felt like it.

The main thing is the right feels energized, and there seems to be a new found faith in this bullshit democracy.

[-] 2 points by commonsense11 (195) 11 years ago

Are you serious? Obama was lost in this debate. He didn't have a teleprompter to go to. You guys really crack me up. By the way I don't like either of these candidates and it's obvious they both were selling snake oil. The thing that gets me is how blind people are when they are trying to support their pick for President.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

There is no way in hell I am voting for Obama, ok? But Im saying he could run circles around Mitt.

If you notice my last sentence, I believe these debates are for one thing only: keep the public feeling like they have "choices".

[-] 0 points by Clicheisking (-210) 11 years ago

You DNC operatives are so fucking stupid you are hilarious.