Forum Post: Republican Party leaders celebrate wins, look ahead.
Posted 9 years ago on Dec. 7, 2014, 9:15 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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"Rubio, a potential presidential candidate, will be ending his first Senate term in 2016. At a breakfast with GOP county and congressional district officers from across the state, he predicted the Democrats will pin a “big business” label on the Republicans — but said the Clintons have always been backed by Wall Street interests."
U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla, is right in there pushing the Green Party line on the Dems and Clinton you Dem hating winners are getting ready to roll,
Congrats again to all who hate the Dems
i thought the military was in charge
The GOP have won many seats but your precious hands are not soiled by voting for Dems only by the deeds of the GOP which you help to win.
we're still bombing other nations
"we're" is the operative word,
you mean not voting didn't stop the bombs?
well it elected the GOP at least those bomb dropping Dems won't be in office you must be happy about that congrats, your actions or lack of, has resulted in the election of many GOP what they do in office is on your head and anyone's who didn't do all they could to keep the GOP from office, you have done nothing to defeat the GOP so you are responsible for what they do.
By your logic I guess the bank bailouts and drone program are on your head. That could explain a few things....
Those of us who pay attention have already watched all of these sounds like you should bring yourself up to speed:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-power-wall-street/
and yes I do all I can to defeat the GOP but we could all do more, and you can pretend the deregulation would have happened without the GOP but you are just living in a fantasy world if you do.
Tell me where your precious GOP have stood against the drones? you work to elect them night and day
Gosh, all I was sayin was by your logic, the Dems actions are on YOUR head. You cool with that?
yes it is true I help elect Dems and I have to live with that, it is what the GOP would do that motivates me I have seen them do so much evil, you meanwhile love the GOP and all they do, so are you OK with all the GOP do?
I am not ok with either party, per se. Have come to the conclusion that the game is rigged. All most any pol of EITHER party cares about is getting rich. They keep the masses split at 50/50 and arguing amongst themselves as they steal us blind.
well that is certainly a better response than your cuba comment. i would add that the population is not split 50/50 - more like 25/25 with 50% not voting and understanding that the game is rigged and neither party represents them
congrats on defeating the evil Dems I see where your friends the GOP are changing the rules to make it easier to make rich people richer, you must be very proud of your boys seeing how you like to help elect them and all
l see where there is talk about your boy finding a backbone somewhere - ha - not likely. 2008 - both houses of congress (sure some blue dogs there but still) and an 80% approval rating and what did we get. a health care plan only an insurance company could love - and they do. just ask steven brill. and what was that he told your rich friends - "i am the only thing between you and the pitchforks right now!" - why was he standing in between do you think. can you count the goldman and citigroup people in his government. and how about that white shoe lawyer as a g - wow these is fdr all over again - he welcomed their hatred - i don't think so. now go away - go back to your little bedroom and get out of your jammies. go out on the street and organize. take your message to the streets and away from ows - go -please
feeling the heat flip? you GOP loving fool you
your GOP friends are at it again, just sworn in with the biggest win in 87 years and throwing Wall street some goodies, 11 cuts to frank-dodd at least whats left of it, you must be very proud of how hard your friends the GOP work...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/volcker-rule-delay_n_6469902.html
I know you're busy digging up shit on the Dems so no worries i will keep you up to date on how your friends the GOP are doing
and your thoughts on volker - that is how it works in civilized discourse you know- you say something about the volker rule - i respond with a bit on volker and then you respond with a non sequitur. what a surprise - you are a one trick pony
WASHINGTON -- House Republicans on Wednesday pushed through a bill that would delay a key section of the Volcker Rule, ignoring staunch opposition from Democrats and a veto threat from President Barack Obama.
The vote of 271-154 included just 29 Democratic supporters. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), a persistent opponent of Washington favors for big banks, was the lone Republican to stand against the bill.
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again," said Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) on the House floor the evening before the vote. "Usually we use that saying with children, to encourage them to achieve greater things, but it seems that when it comes to Congress, it's what Wall Street keeps telling House Republicans."
The legislation is a compilation of 11 bills that chip away at the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law. All but one passed the House by wide margins in 2013 and 2014, but died in the Senate, where then-Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) refused to put them on the floor for a vote. The most controversial measure in the collection is a two-year delay of a requirement that banks offload "collateralized loan obligations" -- risky packages of corporate debt that are sliced off for sale to investors. Similar collections of risky mortgages were at the heart of the 2008 meltdown, and federal regulators have been warning about the corporate debt market overheating.
Big banks dominate the CLO market, which regulators say is between $84 billion and $105 billion in size. JPMorgan Chase alone holds about $30 billion in CLOs.
But the political economy implications of the vote are still more significant. Former International Monetary Fund Chief Economist Simon Johnson and others view the delay as the next step in a piecemeal effort to repeal Dodd-Frank in its entirety. And indeed, on Tuesday night, Republicans pushed through another bill that would create new red tape for regulatory agencies, making it more difficult for them to write and enforce rules.
The CLO provision has already been delayed to July 2017. The bill that passed the House Wednesday would push back the deadline until 2019.
"This bill is Republicans' New Year’s present to Wall Street -- announcing open season on the essential reforms that protect taxpayers from the recklessness of big banks," Pelosi said in a statement provided to HuffPost. "Democrats will continue to fight these brazen special interest giveaways, and demand Congress act on the priorities of working people."
The Republican-controlled Senate likely has the votes to pass the bill, but the House does not have the two-thirds majority to override a presidential veto. Democrats expect the GOP to attach Wall Street-friendly bills to critical legislation -- like bills to fund the government or raise the debt ceiling -- in order to force Obama's hand. In December, Obama signed off on a deal to push through subsidies for bank trading in derivatives by repealing a Dodd-Frank provision known as "swaps push-out." The measure was attached to a $1.1. trillion bill to fund the federal government.
Democrats previously knocked down the Volcker Rule delay one week ago, when Republican leaders had put it up for a vote under conditions that had required a two-thirds majority for passage. Republican leaders immediately cried foul, with House Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas) accusing Democrats of flip-flopping to "appease their far left-wing base."
In total, 44 Democrats who had supported similar legislation in September opposed the bill last week. On Wednesday, an additional three switched from yea to nay.
Rep. Gerry Connolly (Va.), one of the bill's few Democratic supporters, echoed that criticism Wednesday. "I voted for it three times so some of us are consistent," said Connolly, saying that "blogs on the left" had used "exaggerated rhetoric" to criticize the legislation.
Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), who supported the bill in September but opposed it twice in January, said the Volcker Rule language in the 2015 edition constituted a "poison pill."
"Some members of the party understand that there needs to be some fixes in Dodd-Frank, but you can't -- I don't think you should put poison pills in the bill," Meeks told HuffPost.
Since the September version of the bill delayed the Volcker Rule's CLO requirement until only July 2017, some members who switched their votes have cited the delay to 2019 to justify their current opposition.
This week, Democrats prepared more than a dozen amendments, none of which were allowed to be considered under the rule adopted by Republicans. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) penned a host of amendments to narrow loopholes that the GOP bill would create, while Reps. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) and Ann Kuster (D-N.H.) proposed to simply strike the Volcker Rule language altogether. Rep. Mike Capuano (D-Mass.) submitted language that would have required companies to disclose all of their political campaign donations. Reps. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) proposed an amendment to permanently end the government spending cuts under the sequester. Grijalva presented a second bill that would have ended subsidies for big banks who trade risky derivatives -- subsidies that were reinstated by Congress in December.
None of these amendments had a chance of passing with Republicans in the majority. But they would have forced the GOP to take unpopular positions, and explicitly ally themselves even more closely with Wall Street.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/volcker-rule-delay_n_6469902.html
oh let's try this out remember when I ask you about your thoughts on how to keep the GOP from winning and you refused to answer and went all stupid talking we will try again, what are your thoughts on how do we keep the GOP from winning elections?
Let's see if you can tell the difference between a D and a R before we deal with the complex stuff after all you seem to have trouble dealing with the choices you have let alone those you don't I would suppose the two are tied together....
ah volker - that wonderful little shit who - "According to author Robert Sherrill, Volcker stated, upon taking office, that "the standard of living for the average American has to decline." Sherrill says Volcker was recommended by David Rockefeller because "Wall Street and the international banking fraternity loved [Volcker]. They hated inflation-bankers don't like to be repaid in money that is softer than the money they lend, even if the softer money makes the economy hum-and they knew that Volcker was mean enough to destroy the economy to save the hardness of their dollars."
I should not be surprised that you support your friends the GOP in their decision to chip another 11 bits out of Frank-Dodd, such as it was it was what we got but you have elected the GOP to take even that away, I know it's because you want want shit to be bad so the country will turn to you to save it.
i have answered your question too many times - the dems are the lessor evil but still evil - still part of the ruling class - part of the 1% - remember that term? so the point of ows is to rid our government of the 1% - get it. not rid it of the gop but both parties who serve the masters of mankind. now answer mine about your hero dem volker
how do you suggest we get rid of both? and how are we protected from additional GOP rule, or as you have said before you still stand by your stance that you accept GOP rule if it upsets people and increases the chance of your plan?
I will say i am no0t OK with accepting GOP rule so I do think it matters what we do now, not someday.
You are blind if you don't see the difference between Elizabeth Warren and Paul Ryan, or Al Gore and W Bush, yes it is our blindness brought on by lackeys of the 1%, lackeys like you, that keep evil in power.
yet that doesn't keep you from working to elect the GOP and you are doing a hell of a job of it, it is the blindness of fools like you that couldn't see a difference between W Bush and Al Gore that gave us the Iraq War and all the rest that W Bush brought us, and you have just scored another huge win defeating the evil Dems i will keep you posted on what your favorite party the GOP are doing no worries....
I don't know who posted this but it's damn good. Well, except for some of the shallow references to 'growth' and the stock market.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/pol/4789672918.html
flip posted why he supports the GOP I put it up here:
https://occupywallst.org/forum/one-who-hates-the-dems-explains-their-motives-good/
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/12/bernie-sanders-exposes-republican-plot-cut-social-security-11-million-disabled-people.html
they stole the retirement funds to fund their tax cuts for the rich now they are screaming like hell that the bill is due, one must understand the evil that occurred here, taxes were collected from the working people and the money used to lower the top marginal tax rates in the 80's now the bill is due back to the retirement fund and the wealthy who don't pay that working person tax is screaming bloody hell and saying we don't have the money, Americans actually do believe that we are in hard times even as the Forbes 400 are richer than ever.
republican leaders
butt of an oxy moron there
as they couldn't led people to the poles
Always looking for others to do the work eh Matt, I hear anybody can lead people to the polls or away, you did a hell of a job beating them bomb dropping Dems how many people did you lead?
Republicans’ tellingly ‘scary’ first week in Congress
By James Downie Follow @jamescdownie
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Larry Downing/Reuters) Before officially becoming Senate majority leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told The Post’s Paul Kane that he had a request for the new GOP majority: “Don’t be ‘scary.’ “ “I want the American people to be comfortable with the fact that the Republican House and Senate is a responsible, right-of-center, governing majority,” he said. Across Capitol Hill, the office of House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) put out a press release the day before the new Congress began, promising that “House Republicans have pledged to continue making the American people’s priorities – jobs and the economy – our priorities and are wasting no time getting started.” Seven days later, the bills that House and Senate Republicans have proposed in their first week paint quite a different picture — one of the same old “scary” Republican Party.
Perhaps we should have seen the dearth of new ideas after looking at the three bills touted in Boehner’s press release. The “Hire More Heroes” Act would let businesses hire veterans already covered by Defense Department health-care plans without having them count toward the Affordable Care Act’s rule that businesses with 50 or more employees must offer health insurance. The bill is a fine gesture, but targets a vanishingly small portion of the population. The second — approving the Keystone XL oil pipeline — can be debated on the environmental and energy merits, but studies have found that at most, the pipeline will create only 42,000 short-term jobs (a small percentage of healthy growth over the course of a year) and 50 (yes, fifty) long-term jobs.
The third — changing the ACA’s definition of full-time work from 30 hours to 40 hours — is the farthest-reaching and the most destructive. Even conservative policy maven Yuval Levin (who opposes the individual mandate) says “employers are less likely to reduce a worker’s load by 10 hours than by just 1 or 2 to avoid the mandate … So by setting the definition lower, Obamacare’s architects were trying to mitigate the damaging effects of the employer mandate some, and by setting it higher Republicans would be worsening those effects.”
And when we look at the more than 200 bills Republican senators and representatives proposed in the first week of the new Congress, an even more depressingly familiar picture of the party emerges. Republicans’ priorities are clear: They want to deregulate the environment, repeal Obamacare and derail the president’s immigration plans. Those were the three most common topics of the bills introduced, along with bills or resolutions to cut spending, force a balanced budget or restrict Obama’s options the next time the United States hits a debt ceiling crisis. Economic packages were almost entirely absent, relegated to secondary reasons for deregulating the environment or repealing Obamacare.
And fresh ideas on either immigration or health care are noticeably absent as well. Rep. Steve King’s ObamaCare Repeal Act runs less than 180 words, just long enough to repeal the law with no replacement. Rep. Ted Yoho’s “Preventing Executive Overreach on Immigration Act” just prohibits the president from carrying out his immigration executive order (again offering no replacement plan), which would be a great solution if Congress had any constitutional authority to do that.
Other standouts from the Republicans’ first week:
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) offered three spending bills that would cut most discretionary spending by one, two and/or five percent. Her remarks and press statement don’t explain why she offered a choice rather than combining them into one big eight percent cut.
Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) sponsored H.R. 116, which “would allow a small business operating in the United States to elect to be exempt from any federal rule or regulation issued on or after January 20, 2009.”
Sen. David Vitter (R-La.), who is running for Louisiana governor this year, was a fountain of bad ideas, but perhaps his best was S. 63: “A bill to require all public school employees and those employed in connection with a public school to receive FBI background checks prior to being hired, and for other purposes.” There is no word on whether teachers would be disqualified for using prostitutes.
To some degree, the persistence of the die-hard faction in the Republican Party is hardly surprising; after all, it’s hard to think of many far-right conservatives who lost this past Election Day. But it cannot be a coincidence that a Republican economic agenda is little in evidence at the same time that the economy is growing at its fastest rate in years. As of yet, the party still wants to be seen as making jobs its priority; it just can’t figure out what policies will support that impression. As conservative writer James Pethokoukis says, “It’s not just that Republicans need to offer a positive agenda; they also need one that goes beyond an obsession with deficits and debt and that tackles the everyday concerns of most Americans.” If Mitch McConnell’s dream of a Republican White House and Congress is to come true, the party will have to come up with something fast.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/01/13/republicans-tellingly-scary-first-week-in-congress/
Senate Republicans block bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing By Ramsey Cox
Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would end tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas.
On Wednesday, the Senate voted 54-42 to end debate on S. 2569, the Bring Jobs Home Act — 60 votes were needed to advance the measure.
Sens. John Walsh (D-Mont.) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) introduced the bill, which would give companies incentives to bring jobs back to the United States, including a tax write-off for the relocating costs and an additional 20 percent credit. Currently, U.S. companies can deduct from their corporate taxes some expenses of moving facilities overseas. Democrats said 2.4 million jobs have been outsourced in the past 10 years.
“It is wrong that American workers subsidize a corporate decision to pack up American jobs and ship them overseas,” Walsh said Wednesday. “That’s bologna.”
Republicans argue that if Democrats truly wanted to keep companies in the United States, they would work with Republicans to overhaul the tax code and reduce corporate tax rates.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) blocked Republicans from offering amendments to the bill, which is why they voted against advancing the bill.
“We Democrats are lined up against outsourcing,” Reid said ahead of the vote. “A vote against this bill is a vote against American jobs.”
The legislation was part of Democrats’ “Fair Shot” campaign ahead of the midterm elections. If Republicans vote against cloture, Democrats will likely use the vote against them in November, saying Republicans support Big Business more than creating middle-class jobs.
Walsh is one of the most vulnerable incumbents this election cycle. His opponent, Rep. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), ran Procter & Gamble factories in China. Walsh’s campaign has argued that Daines helped ship jobs overseas.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/213780-republicans-block-bill-to-end-tax-breaks-for-outsourcing
http://www.newsprism.com/republican-war-on-science.htm
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28467-the-first-four-things-republicans-are-trying-to-change-may-scare-you
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-readers-beware-our-site-has-been-taken-over-by/
check out the (-5) below pointing out reality here is very unpopular, too bad I remember when many thought OWS would be about telling the truth yet simple truthful statements are very unpopular here, just as truth is so often unpopular I just thought OWS would be different at least I thought so for a little bit....
Stop whining ! Hitlary Clinton is on her way to save you !! Whoooopeee-Fkn-Dooo !!!
Repugnants like Rubio, JBush, Christie, Paul or even Romoney .. may try to take her on but HC will be unstoppable BUT, do we really think that The 99% Struggle for justice and decency will be over or even advanced ?! Is the Democrap's problem that they aren't like Repugnants enough ?!! OR is it more likely that The 99% .. see that Democraps On-The-Hill aren't different to Reps Enough ?!!!
Nothing in your world is ever The Democraps fault is it frf ?! Fixating on Greens is just wanton political blindness, imo !! Give People A True Pro-99% Option, ffs & then see wtf happens !!!
ad iudicium ...
The now ravenous Tokyo Rose just can't get enough of that Koch Sucking. And the wild ropes of wanton drool betray her orgasmic recklessness. Cons organizing to do the dirty work for their 1% Cult leaders can't go without this Koch drivel that it's really a Dem transgression. Blatant, and Koch-drunk, GOP recrimination. Equally disgusting as ridiculous. But so glaringly telling: The SSS bitch works for the 1%-GOP!
SSS: feminam proditor, Insidiatur quasi vile scortum, quod ipsa est!
Your sexual insecurities and hangups need not be paraded here, JiffySmith ! Your bad language betrays your inner nature !! You have nothing to offer to the most basic questions, such as .. "Is the Democrap's problem that they aren't like Repugnants enough OR is it more likely that The 99% see that Democraps On-The-Hill aren't different to Reps Enough'' ?!!!
e tenebris, lux ...
they are not worth the time. they cannot debate any real issues so what does that mean. if they really believed their own bullshit they would discuss honestly - they cannot. waste of time
No doubt you're right but ''they'' are useful for hanging links on, if nothing else, lol. I'd encourage you to look at the links above & below, as well the one I recently copied to 'Nevada1'.. here :
Got to go now flip. Running late. Solidarity & season's best wishes to you and yours.
pax, amor et lux ...
What utterly specious recrimination, and nonsensical babble! Koch slop! Your 1%-GOP allegiance is more than apparent, and so really repugnant, not just lame ad hominem, which is also a typical RepubliCon trait. You are drunk and emboldened with GOP success and your personal Koch sucking. It's not my insecurity at all, I'm just very familiar with sex and politics. I clearly see and recognize the players and effects.
You have no shame because you have no conscious beyond your wanton servitude to the 1%. Aren't you dying to pettifog that it's more like .01%? You know you are, but you'll leave that to another handle/user name. Hey, open one using "WHORE." No one here will notice.
SSS: feminam proditor, Insidiatur quasi vile scortum, quod ipsa est!
You advocate for Democraps & Hitlary but accuse me of .. ''wanton servitude to the 1%'' ?!!! You should know that ''specious'' is as ''specious'' does & that your idiocy trumps your nasty sexism !! One is left to wonder as to exactly wtf you thought OWS is actually all about ?!
temet nosce ...
Hey 1% CUNT! I know what OWS is not about, 1% CUNTS!
It's not about trashing the only struggling viable political party that can actually do something about the mess, strife, loss and death, that Public negligence and 1% exploitation, which the likes of you flagrantly encourages, has caused. OWS and us activists, who were working decades before, are fighting against the tyranny of Big Money and their political operatives to accomplish progress for people, and defend against an unscrupulous, pernicious and greed-addled private sector. The assholes you lick.
That OWS castrated itself on the way to the whore house is not my problem. And in light of its impotent failures, probably deeply regrets. Like allowing scum like you to propagandize with impunity!!
How dare you use language like that ?!!! Hating on me is fine but don't talk shit Smith !! Democraps-On-The-Hill & the DNC are Corporate Co-Opted, Corrupted & Controlled & to deny that is to deny reality and to try to take the rest of here for numpties ... something NOT all of us actually are, lol !
Get your freak on Smith but here's wtf is actually important right now re. The CIA 'Torture Report' :
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf & also ...
"The Constitution Project’s Task Force on Detainee Treatment" : http://detaineetaskforce.org/pdf/Full-Report.pdf + some background ...
http://www.constitutionproject.org/task-force-of-detainee-treatment/ & :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VN4hewhWvY
Let me tell you Smith, I only use the 'c' word in extremis & you'd be spitting teeth and being helped up off the floor if you ever said that to my face but hey ... you're an 'inter-web' tough guy, gobshite right ?!
ad iudicium ...
These guys fail to realize that the reason there is always so much Dem bashing going on here is because there is always a handful of suckers that are promoting them.
The minute someone shows me some Republican promoters, I think we trash them too usually, right?
Truth is we'd make mincemeat of any Repugnants who showed their face here !!! Baring all the Right-Wingnuts from back in the day who came to troll but got chewed up .. I only recall 'Techjunkie' as an avowed 'R' !! Sadly our Democrap addicts show no insights into just how fkn Right-Wing mainstream Dem Pols are !
Also taking the oppty to wish you & yours happy Yule, Solstice, Hanukkah, Christ-mash & New Year .. in case I start getting grumpy grinchy before then. Have a good one J and solidarity in struggle @ u :-)
fiat lux ..
You too my friend, thanks
"Undercover Cops Outed and Pull Gun on Crowd" :
"During the ongoing protests in Berkeley and Oakland, on Dec 10th 2014, two undercover police were outed by the crowd, and proceeded to pull out a gun, and make arrests while still wearing their masks.''
I thought it important to put this matter here as it shows what genuine protesters are and have been, up against in 'Cop Land'.
e tenebris ...
Ya I saw that, which is why I always say that if they are spending money on infiltrating the protests, and have always done that, and the internet is the new way to organize, then lord only knows how many cops have been on this page.
Maybe not commenting, but certainly poking around.
Frankly, 'undercover cops' spying on people is a fact of life in USUK and in other Western countries and it'd be irrational to think that wouldn't be the case here - now or before - but fk 'em, I say & 'Keep Calm & Carry On'. Also fyi, see :
multum in parvo ...
Cool & a wee Edward Snowden video @ u in solidarity ...
pax ...
Hey Troll, agent provocateur, fraud!
The CIA Torture Report is just the latest achievement by the horrible Dems, that would never have seen the light of day if Cons had their way. I guess you have to get used to your own BS and hypocrisy just to keep from killing yourself. But you do know you have zero credibility, that is beyond your "numpty" delusional somnium universitas.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/torture-cia-amnesty-international-human-rights-watch
WTF ?!!! NO !! It is NOT an "achievement" to do the right thing .. as people are honour-bound to do it ffs !
With all The Repugnants coming in the New Year, those mthrfkrs would only have tried to suppress any report at all. This way Dems-On-The-Hill get a chance to claim a li'l moral high-ground. However as Sen. Udal & Wyden implied, it's all a bit too redacted but if you want a much more uncensored not 'In House' report, see here :
http://detaineetaskforce.org/pdf/Full-Report.pdf and IF you can handle it ...
try to read this : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40430.htm
Pop another gasket and throw another hissy-fit in reply please JiffySmith, as it's all rather amusing now.
verum ex absurdo ...
seems to me doing the right thing would involve bringing those responsible to justice. putting out a report is the weakest possible response
The 'Torture Report' was a heavily redacted, absolute bare minimum & so you're bang-on there flip ! The recently released report was really only a 525 page exec-summary of the actual 6700+ page Classified Report which will probably never see the light of day !! From that, frankly we can safely deduce that the published report only hints at the tip of the iceberg of egregious behaviour by the US !!! Also fyi, see ...
'Redacted Released Report' : http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf +
"The Constitution Project’s Task Force on Detainee Treatment" : http://detaineetaskforce.org/pdf/Full-Report.pdf by more objective ppl & also try to consider :
http://truth-out.org/news/item/27935-the-missing-photos-from-the-senate-report-on-cia-torture
fiat lux et fiat justitia ...
how can anything be redacted ?
As it happened: US launches air strikes against militants in Iraq
"6 people have been shot dead & 3 wounded - in three locations near Philadelphia, officials in the US state of Pennsylvania say. Montgomery County law enforcement are seeking the suspected gunman, who they named as Bradley William Stone, 35." from :
"Redacted" = Hiding text with black rectangles, thereby making it unreadable & sometimes making the whole text unintelligible. Your link to the on-going, undeclared by congress and therefore ... illegal - war was revealing. I link to the story above because there seems to be another war of sorts going on inside the US. Violence breeds violence & Karma is a bitch. When fear & loathing rule - there will be suffering.
sad sigh ...
The report was not even released. Only an executive summary.
I'm amazed that the same handful of people are still here participating, years after this site became completely irrelevant.
Re. the "Torture Report" - "The recently released report was really only a 525 page exec-summary of the actual 6700+ page Classified Report which will probably never see the light of day !!" from my reply above & IF you want to see a proper report, see here ...
I'm "amazed" that you thought that "this site" would fold and "the same handful of people" (actually 50+ regulars & many periodic drifters like you) would not be here for the long haul. This forum still appears to be relevant enough for you (as a self-avowed past Republican) to still comment here I see and also fyi ...
Nevertheless irrespective of what 'side' did what .. best wishes for the season to you and yours and may Cheney choke on his own tongue at Xmas dinner. GWB can plead diminished responsibility for being a retard & the rest of them can swing .. in this life or another & I will forego future karma to curse them all.
multum in parvo ...
You have a bizarre form of OCD.
Yep, it's called loyalty and a deep allegiance to The 99% Struggle !!! You of course can not admit it, but also have a touch of that yourself, right ?!! After all, oft misguided or not - why else would you to be here (on and off) after all these years too, IF you too didn't give a shit about The World that we all share, your country and your fellow citizens ?! Also fyi:
"CIA Torture - Health Professionals 'May Have Committed War Crimes', Report Says", by Dominic Rushe : http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/16/cia-torture-report-physicians-human-rights-report ;
"The Oil Coup - US-Saudi Subterfuge Send Stocks and Credit Reeling", by Mike Whitney : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40501.htm & see ..
"Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton: The Perfectly Illustrative Election", by Glenn Greenwald : https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/jeb-bush-v-hillary-clinton-perfectly-illustrative-election/
The U$A needs a New Politics that puts the survival of People and the Living World .. above the survival of The Corporations !!! Are Jeb Bush or Hitlary going to aspire to do that for The 99% ?!! Nope !
respice, adspice, prospice ...
Welcome back! Irrelevance is a necessary stage in any successful movement. The body withers but sometimes the spirit descends on another body. Dumping out ashes in the backyard after the fire has already burnt out sometimes starts a conflagration. No fire does not mean no smothering embers.
This site isn't what it used to be but it damn well is relevant. High and mighty pigs around the world are keeping tabs here. A few are even posing as disgruntled liberals in order to rip on Democrats thereby giving their own conservative heroes an edge. In fact, those users have been the most active for some time now.
Wow, people here actually still think that The Man covertly spends time on this site to sabotage OWS? That's amazing. This forum is like a time warp.
Get lost Koch sucking Tokyo Rose, agent provocateur.
Stupid is as stupid does - so stop doing it, stupid !!!
temet nosce ...
an "achievement" is what you did getting rid of them evil Dems
the new year will people more to your liking
Actually ''an achievement'' would be you finding a new tune !!! Did I, or this forum, or OWS get ''rid of them evil Dems'' or did they do that - all by themseles ?!! Numpty !
ad iudicium ...
Very thought provoking article. I can see a few angles since I also have the opinion that the poor and working class who don't commit crimes do be come victims of gangs as well as the bureaucratic corporate state. But I do agree with his article. My husband had his identity stolen of all places at the unemployment office. The thieves filed unemployment in his name now the irs wants the money for the tax on it and he could be accused of breaking the law since he works. The burden of proof and labor to resolve it falls on us. For us we can't rely on our street income...or guaranteed federal housing...we have to pay our bills, go to work ( he works 14 hour days regularly in a physically labor intensive job) he can't take time off to deal with it or he will lose his job. We may lose everything if the system refuses to work with us. Too many minorities canabalize the poor and working class. The workers in the office where it ocurred were all minority and making great state incomes more than he and I make combined..probably a lot more. Though i guess my state is different because we have among the highest resources for people in the inner city ( if you have the right qualifications such as skin color, criminal background, and kids out of wedlock). We need to fight this system together and having crimes committed that make our lives misery and takes away from our energy or frankly desire to join with them. I do believe completely that the police are allowed to do whatever they want to the poor but don't forget this comes from the city government as well...they issue and enforce menial fines and misdemeanors like parking tickets on the poor. Like the scene from The Pursuit of Happiness where they arrest and hold him overnight. When you are down and out...the system almost has a green light as Chris Hedges described to criminalize being poor. But it is very much doing the same thing if not worse to the working class. Who probably have less time and less groups or resources available to help them deal with all the bullshit. They are beginning to demand homeowners pay corporations for all sorts of repairs to meet new ridiculous codes...demand you redo gas lines...expensive things...that they will force you to fix and give out loans. Just when you think you can catch up...boom. something else. The poor and working poor/ middleclass need to band together against this new corporate regulation machine...it's not just the police it goes further. State agencies...city codes and laws...fines fees ....corporations have been deregulated and they have cracked down on the people. A system of lords and serfs. Corporations are directly behind regulations that make them money...this includes a prison industrial complex...this issue is a symptom of the larger whole. This is the merger of government and for profit business...it's no longer about shared taxes and services...it is about making a profit. It is so dangerous I can't even wrap my head around down the line because this is only the beginning . The new predatory state. Survival of the fittest . If you can get it take it....what are you gonna do about it? One will kill you, the other will charge you fees, deplete your bank account....oh wait they both do....in this new mafia pillaging world. Those who don't steal or kill will be ...? Also since when did broke white people become invisible? Do they have to become dealers and shoot at police to garner sympathy? At anyrate it is now every man for himself now anyways. We have entered Lord of the Flies Age where civility and ethics have indeed been lost. That culture must change...only compassion will change this. Don't join the pillaging. Resist the machine.
"How Ayn Rand Helped Turn The US Into A Selfish And Greedy Nation", by Bruce E. Levine :
Your extensive and insightful reply deserved a longer response elf but I'm tired. Seasons good wishes and solidarity to you and your husband & best wishes for 2015.
pax ...
Money has been deregulated
if we are to consider what is possible
we need to do so outside the entrapment of money
and consider labor and property as commerce
We need to get corporations out of housing. I want everyone to own their own home...it is the american dream...Go West my friends! We need to get rid of monopolies and franchises and subsidiaries. Every one deserves a shot at being an entrepreneur ...studies have shown that the failure of a society to allow this is the one common denominator in all third world nations...there is a monopoly barrier to the markets. They create the laws to regulate us through their bribed city and state politicians. Not too mention have enough wealth to raise rents so only they can get in any location. They dominate the markets and regulate us into servitude. Their new extreme wealth then divests into properties where the hide their income from the tax man. And own more and more and price set their rental rates and artificially jack up costs. It is insane that we allow trusts and corporations slide into the residential markets. They are charged less tax than residents and simply let their wealth Build on the backs of workers. What a terrible cycle. It is a locking of ownership. The people will not own anything we are a renters nation. Even homeowners we are renting from a bank. Rental Nation. We don't own anything. Only the rich do. They own our lives.
captive to whoever would pay us
You are certainly more concerned about my future than the country at large or you would get you head out of ass and stop helping to elect the GOP, but you are good at it you did a hell of a job last time around and are hard at it again, congrats to you on your huge win!
What bills do you think Hedges will be pushing for? Which of the new GOP leadership will he contact for support?
''Reality, Politics and Elizabeth Warren'', by Robert Fantina :
Which, after consideration - you also may want to append here :
As for Hedge's, he'll vote for the most progressive candidate he can find, I suppose BUT he will not be under any illusions about Duopoly either & you can bet all the fun facts you can find on that for sure !!
ad iudicium ...
I asked how he was going to vote on the bill, but he don't get a vote because he is not in office the GOP are and Hedges helped to put them there he too can be proud of his huge win putting the GOP in power!
You can bitch all you want but what the GOP does is on you and Hedges and all you whining little bitches.
You're a totally tedious half-wit, locked in your Schizoid Duopoly & I question wtf you ever thought OWS and other 99% Struggles - are really all about ?!
The 'Billary Clintons' are big friends of Walmart and Corporations and The 0.01% Parasite Class btw but freak ye not frf, Hitlary's on her way to save us !!
Finally, "whining little bitches" - is a phrase used by Right-Wing Idiots when they do not fully understand the points and resent people who raise issues !!!
verum ex absurdo ...
you're bitching about language?? you f'ing hipocrite! and then you call him an inter-web tough guy while you spit out physical threats to a verbal assault.
well I guess that last part makes sense because in a battle of wits your are completely unarmed
Holy Shit ! I was provoked into addressing that toilet-mouthed, half-wit, Democrapophile, WSmith - you ridiculous numpty !! You are looking for trouble and a fight it seems, so put the whisky-mac down now - as I SLAP your idiot face ~{;-p) & go read the full exchange, where that last reply of mine has got your panties garrotting your rectum, tho' at least you DO acknowledge ''verbal assault'', u irksome l'il man !!!
Oh, & btw - maybe get your head around this later, when you're somewhat more sober :
bah humbug ...
ahh did me pointing out how completely witless you are get you all tongue tied? can't spit out a complete word? well go spend some time with those new GOP freshmen you help elect and clam down a bit...
Congrats again on your huge win, the GOP haven't been this strong in a long time.
"Having someone who is the brother of one former president and the son of another run against the wife of still another former president would be sweetly illustrative of all sorts of degraded and illusory aspects of American life, from meritocracy to class mobility.
''That one of those two families exploited its vast wealth to obtain political power, while the other exploited its political power to obtain vast wealth, makes it more illustrative still: of the virtually complete merger between political and economic power, of the fundamentally oligarchical framework that drives American political life." & also consider that ...
The 2016 POTUS race could well - ''vividly underscore how the American political class functions: by dynasty, plutocracy, fundamental alignment of interests masquerading as deep ideological divisions, and political power translating into vast private wealth and back again. The educative value would be undeniable: somewhat like how the torture report did, it would rub everyone’s noses in exactly those truths they are most eager to avoid acknowledging.'' From :
It'll take much more than your tedious, silly, repetitive piffle - to get me "tongue tied", factsy ! Aghast at your block-headed myopia ?!! Yes, nearly every time we exchange words these days but hey, I'm good for padding out your forum-posts and bumping them, right ?!!!
veritas vos liberabit ...
repetitive piffle - exactly - why didn't i think of that?
looks like a repeat of 2000 is the plan for the Greens.....
piffle of the worst kind - that would be the repetitive type
piffle? is that what you tell yourself all the shit that is actually done by the GOP once you help to elect them? do you think you can just send the GOP to office and forget about them? well think again....
and now you have settled in working toward electing the next Bush just as Nader before you elected W Bush, it is always the same with the same result.....
IF Jeb Bush is POTUS in 2016 .. you can bet your boney ass that that will be because Hitlary handed it to him as she aspired to appear ever more Right-Wing in an attempt to woo Bat-Shit-Crazy Republicons to vote for her & thereby so disaffected The 99% that they stayed at home !!! Your little 'zero-sum-game' & 'black v white' faux reductionist binary, still continues to ignore the political spectrum outside the right-wing 'Democrap & bat-shit-crazy, Right-Wing RepubliCon range !! As ever !
Nevertheless, despite your piffle, ho-ho-ho & festive good wishes to u & (the long suffering) yours & fyi :
e tenebris, lux ...
Don't sell yourself short you will be there pushing Jeb into the White House just as Nader pushed W.
Hitlary will have 'pushed' Jeb Bush into the Oral, sorry Oval Office IF he gets in ... mainly by NOT appealing to and/or disillusioning, her Democratic Base and/or The 99% - you clueless numpty !!!
ad iudicium ...
This is what we get for allowing the greater evil to secure more power.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/01/1348659/-Economists-don-t-think-Republican-jobs-bills-would-create-jobs-Again-Still?detail=email
http://www.iberianet.com/forum/republicans-back-to-raising-taxes-on-the-poor/article_3f7f50fa-7c70-11e4-8f02-c7e9b2ebf430.html?mode=jqm
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2014/12/08/gop-seeks-to-ease-regulations-on-spending-bill
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/us/politics/energy-firms-in-secretive-alliance-with-attorneys-general.html?_r=0
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fossil-fuel-lobbyists-bolstered-by-gop-wins-work-to-curb-environmental-rules/2014/12/07/3ef05bc0-79b9-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-mestrich/3-banking-regulations-we-_b_6288816.html
http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/energy-companies-contribute-to-republican-state-attorneys-general-who-then-fight-pollution-regulation-141209?news=855048
http://www.claiborneprogress.net/news/opinion_columns/150724651/EPA-in-the-crosshairs-of-new-Republican-majority
http://m.ibtimes.com/lawmakers-attach-wall-street-deregulation-omnibus-bill-1747742
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120508/house-floor-votes-against-environment-113th-congress
http://priceofoil.org/2014/12/08/dirty-energy-money-fuels-fight-climate/
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fossil-fuels-Obama-EPA-climate/2014/12/08/id/611737/
By the way, I see the conservative posers (at least four of them posing as disgruntled liberals against Hilary) have been marking down my comments in order to reduce my overall user rating. That's fine. From now on, I will post the following link with each comment.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-readers-beware-our-site-has-been-taken-over-by/
a congress cannot function without a quorum
until it does
further details are academic
no doubt many would like to go home, but some would like to stay and fight for change it is dirty work often involving voting for pure scum
congress should focus on rallying the people to vote
the US wants democracy
good to know the homes, lives, and jobs that are lost are merely academic
the minority that the majority of people did not recognize by vote
wants to takes its ball and go home
I should be better looking and have more money, if only the world were what it should be.....as far as congress goes i would love to get them to change but I can't even get you to understand we can't stand around and let the GOP win so I am not very good at getting people to do what they should.
Grand Old partieS - seek "war" on the internet citing sony hack
seek to obscure their obscurity
Vote with your dollars ...or you can keep begging your elected officials to stop screwing you. We give wallStreet our power with each spending choice we make. Washington is a lost cause...boycotts!
vote with your voice
the opposition can make dollars out of thin air
Congrats again on YOUR big win defeating them evil Dems I see you are working hard toward your next big win defeating them evil Dems.
Don't forget you are right there beside Rubio working to "take her out" even using the same arguments.
Your inability to deal the the most basic questions that I asked above is duly noted, again ! Further fyi ..
fiat lux ...
The questions you ask above are rhetorical crap, but I have a real question how does one go down the path you suggest without causing the GOP to win seats as they did in the last election?
or is this really a huge win for you have been working to elect the GOP all along....
"I think a legitimate and viable Third Party would be a great addition to our political system. I think with Instant Runoff elections this could be accomplished. But Cons would fight to the death to obstruct Third Parties, unless it was Tea Bag, Libertarian, or some other RW pseudonym. Because a Third Party like the Greens would make stealing elections nearly impossible for Cons."
From WSmith's comment here :
You need to look up ''displacement / projection / transference'', within the context of psychological theory. I get that you live in deeply Repugnant voting Arizona but NOT everyone who criticises The Democrap-Pols-On-The-Hill and The DNC is a Republicunt ... you fkn monotone half-wit !!!
temet nosce ...
How do you do it without electing more GOP in the mean time? or do you not care about the fact that the GOP are gaining power?
I know it can be done by taking out the GOP then busting the Dems in half but I don't see another way and your constant whining about the Dems and ignoring the GOP slows and or stops any effort along that path so the 1% and the GOP stay in power thanks in large part to your work.
On and congrats to you and all your half wit friends on your huge win getting the GOP to their largest margin in over 60 years in the House
Your utter refusal / inability to hold Democrap Pols and The DNC responsible for their own predicament - in any way whatsoever, is irrational in the extreme !!! Add to that your delusion that the Republicons and the wider right-wing in the U$A can just be erased after having been consolidated by 3/4 generations of MSM pushing : anti-communist ; Fundamentalist Christian and blindly nationalistic, propaganda !! Your simplistic, reductionist 'zero-sum game' political view is myopic and absolves the DNC from any and all blame for selling out The 99% and that's just Total B-S, factsy ! Meanwhile ...
Nevertheless, Happy Hanukkah & a Cheery Christmash to you & to both your fellow AZ Dems !!
pacem in terris ...
Your utter refusal to look outside your own asshole has resulted in the election of W Bush and now many more GOP what they do in the real world is on you.
Your delusions do nothing to change things you act only to keep the 1% and the GOP in power you say nothing to my question of how to keep the GOP from winning you say there is no difference the truth is you are blind as bat and can't see one and that is why we went to war in Iraq and it is why the planet is burning up and why the 1% sleep well at night knowing you are working hard to keep them in power.
and a merry Christmas to you and your GOP friends
So now I'm to blame for GWB too ?! You don't think that Hitlary & The Democraps (= good name for a death-metal band btw) are organs and play-things of The 1% & especially their 0.01% Overlords ?!! It's NOT that there are 'no differences' between 'R&D', because of course there are .. but it's just that small matter of .... Their Massive Similarity and their Corporate Co-option, Corruption and Control !!!
STOP identifying so strongly with sell-out Democrap-Pols & embrace The 99% frf, ffs and come join us.
spero meliora ...
By "you' I am referring to all political hacks like you who would kill the nation to build their party. you are here to co-opt OWS for the Greens and so you bear responsibility for all that the GOP do, you put them there.
You were no doubt pissing your dapper when Bush was elected.
You do like to mush words around but it doesn't change that fact that you work to keep the current system in place by helping the GOP get elected. You and your positions are the only reason the current system still stands. All efforts to discuss the rise of the GOp and the resulting harm is repelled by you as you care nothing for the nation only co-opting OWS to destroy your enemy the Dems.
Keep absolving the Democraps of any and all culpability for selling out The 99% & becoming so utterly Corporate Co-opted & CON-TROLL-ed - why don't you ?!!! "You and your positions are the only reason the current system still stands" = WTF? @ me .. BUT could just as easily AND more appropriately be addressed to you ... seeing as though YOU are the one advocating for one face of Duopoly !! Numpty !
verum ex absurdo ...
Keep trying to absolve yourself of helping to elect the GOP, but there will be people here to remind you of all your favorite party does, those you work so hard to elect will be doing your bidding day by day, you have won now we will see how your guys do.
More gobbledegook from a nincompoop, spewing evermore 'repetitive piffle' & fyi ...
Your myopic view to no more than the next (S)Election Cycle - warrants a SMACK upside the head ! Alas, my reach doesn't extend beyond Michigan !! THWACK .. nevertheless & STOP pretending that you live in any kind of Democracy ffs, frf !!!
bah humbug ...
I know it's weird you help to elect them every couple of years then they do shit all year long, don't worry once your friends the GOP get back to work there will lots for you to answer for.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/05/martin-omalley/mitt-romneys-plan-would-cut-taxes-millionaires-whi/
You have more Republicon friends and relatives than I have, I can ass-u-r you of that, so perhaps stop projecting and transferring your angst at them .. onto forum-posters here !!! Just a thought !! Numpty !
ad iudicium ...
Biggest GOP House majority in over 60 years, the Dems really got their butts kicked good congrats to all of you who worked so hard for this.
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2014/12/06/gop-poised-to-grab-at-least-246-seats-in-house