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Forum Post: Rendition Kidnappings Thrive Under Obama

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 14, 2013, 4:41 a.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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'The three European men with Somali roots were arrested on a murky pretext in August as they passed through the small African country of Djibouti. But the reason soon became clear when they were visited in their jail cells by a succession of American interrogators.

U.S. agents accused the men — two of them Swedes, the other a longtime resident of Britain — of supporting al-Shabab, an Islamist militia in Somalia that Washington considers a terrorist group. Two months after their arrest, the prisoners were secretly indicted by a federal grand jury in New York, then clandestinely taken into custody by the FBI and flown to the United States to face trial.'*



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[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

Mali is about to blow, too and Obama will no doubt aid his socialist french brothers. Course, it's his misguided foreign policy that has ignited Muslims across the middle east and Africa.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22863) 5 years ago

Figures. You don't understand basic definitions of political terms such as "socialist." Obama is nothing of the sort.

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

You comment on one word from my comment. Nothing to say about the effects of current foreign policy on the Middle East and N Africa? The gas plant currently under siege is a stone's throw from liberated Libya.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22863) 5 years ago

Okay, agreed, Obama's foreign policy is interventionist and belligerent and causing more problems and deaths to innocent people than I care to think about. The Nobel Prize winner is not a peacemaker. He is not a socialist, though, either, and neither are the French, really.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

was this an illegal kidnapping? Or a legal arrest?
Was is unususal for a federal grand jury to be secret?
Were they "taken" to the US? OR legally extradited?
what were they indicted for?

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 5 years ago

so you support torture?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

I'll answer your question - no
are you afraid to answer my questions?

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 5 years ago

i don't need to answer your questions you read the same link i did.

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

your courage to find the truth is disappointing

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[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 5 years ago

Go ask the ACLU. They've been in court cases over these matters.

All this admin ended up promising was "more oversight"

they didn't stop it.

Very similar to how the prez wrote a note to oppose indefinite detention laws, but still signed for them, and then also his administration had a court case thrown out that would have blocked the provisions because they are unconstitutional.

Do you know the definition of a "charade" ?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

Again- do you have the courage to answer:
was this an illegal kidnapping? Or a legal arrest?
Was is unusual for a federal grand jury to be secret?
Were they "taken" to the US? OR legally extradited?
what were they indicted for?
Or are you ignorant of the answers?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 5 years ago

lol did you just ask if it's an illegal kidnapping?

Honestly... the Obama administration uses Drone strikes to avoid the more hardcore rendition processes. That's why they've greatly increased in comparison to rendition numbers. Welcome to the truth!

I believe in due process. It seems you are willing to make excuses for why people don't deserve rights before guilt has been determined. Considering how often CIA intelligence is wrong, ie WMD lies.... we can't trust them with this kind of power. They abuse it. Have you looked at the civilian death rates in drone strikes? Have you read the NYU school of laws study on drone strikes?

“In the United States, the dominant narrative about the use of drones in Pakistan is of a surgically precise and effective tool that makes the US safer by enabling ‘targeted killing’ of terrorists, with minimal downsides or collateral impacts. This narrative is false.”


Also it has been done many times, they go after rescuers too.

“Thus far, the Administration has refused to release the memo or any documents, despite multiple requests from members of Congress. Intelligence operations that have virtually no transparency, accountability or oversight raise serious legal questions, particularly when such programs may constitute possible violations of international law or the Constitution of the United States,” said Kucinich.

Do you think we're still in Afghanistan because of terrorism?

Why Libya but not help the millions of people that were ravaged in Congo?

Torture still happens. GTMO is not the only prison the military and the CIA have.

They're never taken to the US.

Indicted for? LOL they don't have due process.

Most of the people in these prisons are usually in there for petty civilian level crimes. Yes there are real insurgents in there too. But they are a minority. Go read a book about it. May I suggest Collateral Damage by Chris Hedges.

Wake up. We're still using Bush era policies. No habeus corpus. Americans being spied on. And you're still getting groped at the airport.

Obviously if you're asking those questions - it is you who is ignorant of the answers.

You really want to try to accuse me of ignorance again?