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Forum Post: Religion the Cause of What Happened in Boston

Posted 1 year ago on April 20, 2013, 11:50 a.m. EST by sophiaomni (289)
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We are discussing the connection between religion and extremist violence on a forum for college students. If you have an interesting position on this topic, we welcome your insights (you don't have to agree with us):

http://wisdomshaven.blogspot.com/2013/04/on-life-debasing-sensibilities-of-true.html

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Between individuals, as between nations, peace means respect for the rights of others." - Benito Juarez, Zapoteca (1806-1872) & :

"So this is a song about tomorrow and about how tomorrow can be better. if we all, "Each one reach one, Each one try to teach one". Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something, everyone must play a part, everyone got to go to work - Work for Peace. Spirit Say Work, Work for Peace If you believe the things you say, go to work. If you believe in Peace, time to go to work. Can't be waving your head no more, go to work.''

shaaanti ommm shaaanti, ommm mane padme hummm ... ~*~ ...

[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

beautiful sentiments!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Thanx on behalf of the original author, the late Gil Scott-Heron - who I believe would also have very much approved of : O.W.S and http://MayDay.tk/ ~*~

pax et lux ; hic et ubique ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Any belief system can be radicalized, not just religion, but national identity, or even political/economic views. Twist them enough and Christianity will allow the Spanish Inquisition, British nationalism will enslave millions, and capitalism will fight endless wars to secure profits.

All are equally deadly.

[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

The interesting question to me, though, is whether there is something intrinsic to religion (e.g., a life-denying tendency) that lends itself so readily to acts like this. But I agree any belief system can become perverted.

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

I don't think the self denying tendency lies in religion but within man himself.

[-] 3 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

have you read the Quran?
do you know what taqqiya is?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm

[-] 4 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

I didn't mean to single out Islam. My questions were about certain tendencies on all organized religion.

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Have you read the Old Testament? that was so f..ked-up, they had to put out a New one

~Odin~

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[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Well, well, well ... lookey here !!! Have you read the Quran ?!! Hells bells, for that matter - have you read the Torah ?! Seems full of slaughter, xenophobia, chauvinism, violence, rape, incest and pillage, right ?

You are a fkn bigot and I feel sorry for benjamin weiss - if not his crazy, dem-shill dad !!! You - as ever, want to tar over a billion people with your same, old, dirty, poisonous, bigot-brush !! I could copy, quote out of context and twist the 'Kol Nidre' prayer for example, to defame en masse another religion - but if I did that with malice aforethought like you - wtf would that make me ?! You can't help yourself really can you ? You are a scumbag and you can tell ben I said so.

temet nosce ...

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

The difference between the Torah & the Quran is that the Quran encourages violence in stead of just reporting history.
anti-semetic aren't you ?

Have you read the Quran?
Here a few of the dictates & gems: 2:39 But they who disbelieve, and deny Allah’s revelations, will reside in the fire of hell.
2:61 Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Jews by Allah
2:65 Allah made Jews who broke the Sabbath, disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets - into apes
2:96 Jews are the greediest of mankind.
2:191 And slay the disbelievers.
3:12 Say unto those who disbelieve: Ye shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell
3:15 For those who keep from evil receive Paradise & Gardens underneath which rivers flow wherein they will abide,
and pure companions, and contentment from Allah. [ heaven & virgins ]. 3:73 And believe not , save in one who followeth Allah.
4:3 Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four [ polygamy ]
4:14 And whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger and transgresseth His limits, He will make him enter fire
4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other. As for those women from
whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart [ no sex ], and beat them
4:56 Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire.
4:57 And as for those who believe and do good works, We shall make them enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow – to dwell therein for ever; there for them are pure companions [ paradise & virgins ]
4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.
4:89 Choose no friend nor helper from among disbelievers [ how to form peaceful alliances ??? ]
4:93 Whoso slayeth a believer of Allah, his reward is hell for ever. [ is this the strongest indictment of Islam’s insanity – how many thousands of Allah’s Shiites and Allah’s Sunnis have murdered each other? ]


How many of these do you agree with ?


If Jews had killed as many Jews in the last 60 years as
Arabs/Muslims have killed Arabs/Muslims = 11,000,000
there would be no Jews

[-] 6 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Anti-semetic" ?! How utterly wrong you are, scumbag !! You actually seem to think that you can throw that term around, in the hope that it will intimidate people and that I should be cowed into silence !!!

"Here a few of the dictates & gems", you say. ''Gems'' ?! I do not agree with any of this absurd Abrahamic Mumbo Jumbo but how about you, seeing as though you regard the Torah as ''history'' !!

Readers will note your clear glee here at cherry picking absurdities in order to malign over a billion people and will also clearly observe your amnesiac myopia and deranged personal preoccupations !

Christians in Europe have been slaughtering each other in the name of religion, politics and nationalism for centuries but you can not extend these realisations to people of another religion. Your mouth is shut, your brain is switched off and your heart blocked on that matter. You choose to crudely lump all Arabic speaking people & Muslims together in order to justify your deep seated bigotry and crude propaganda.

You want to forget the Judaic communities from Casablanca to Kabul, Sana'a to Samarkand, who lived in safety and security for centuries in Muslim countries as you wish to promulgate Islamophobia here & the Neo-Con ''Clash of Civilisations'' thesis. Why ? Because you - 'eric-mideast-bensdad-weiss', are an 'Israel First, Conservative Democrat' shill. I could say, much, much more but I will await your reply and leave you to cast your smears at these people too :

Leave your exclusivism, supremacism and bigotry behind and embrace a common humanity based on reason, justice and LOVE ~*~

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I'm not propagandizing - I am quoting the Quran - the book written by a man that many follow without question: Here are a few more suras:
9:1 Ye(Moslems) are not bound by treaties made with idolaters.
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you.
9:5 Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them ambush.
9:30 Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. Allah's curse be on them!
9:33 Allah will cause Islam to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
9:41 Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!
9:107 Non-Moslems verily are liars.
10:93 And We (Allah) verily did allot unto the Children of Israel a fixed abode (land), and did provide them with good things; [ then why do today’s Moslems want to steal Israel ]
16:101 And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth –
they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. [ This is the doctreine of abrogation that means a later “laws” replace earlier “laws”. ]
18:26 Allah maketh none to share In reply to: His government. [ Allah is dictator; democracy is heracy ]


Why do YOU think the Boston bombers did what they did?

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Death and destruction visited upon people can cause psychopathology in the most unlikely places. You Are Propagandising (as you have been doing for a long time on this forum) and the Boston bombing has little to do with with Islam and more to do with violence, hatred and bigotry begetting the same. There is no defence for what those two nutters did but there are reasons - whether you can accept them or not.

You should stop masquerading as any kind of progressive and face the reactionary, conservative, bigot that you really are. Also be advised - 'eric-mideast-bensdad-weiss', that the Torah can be quoted out of context & twisted too & that 'terror is as terror does'. You are an ass & your soft head & hard heart are disconnected & pathologised, so these links are useless to you but may be of some interest to others :

From the last link : "You are with us or you are with the terrorists” - cowboy Bush declared, using the tragedy of 9/11 to justify killing & displacing over a million Muslims in Iraq. And, ballasting our fracked economy with our endless “war on terror,” (“Bomb-Bomb-Iran” McCain has called for a 100 years’ war!), we and our allies can devastate Libya, occupy Palestine, threaten Iran with nuclear extirpation, seed a civil war in Syria and on and on without a moment’s pause! Can we really suppose they “hate us for our freedoms,” and overlook the fact that we are killing, maiming, torturing and occupying where they live ?"

“Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever,” King warned in his letter; and even Samuel P. Huntington, who, in the 1990s, laid the academic/intellectual foundations for a “Clash of Civilizations” warned : “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact - non-Westerners never do.”

fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Wow shadz, just Wow!

You have become a Very eloquent spokesman for truth. . .

It was not an accident that America has been drawn into the mideast conflict. Aside from the international corporate interest in oil (which has little to do with the economic prosperity of average Americans, and would not be a justification for our policies there even if it did) America has been drawn into that conflict for the very reason that it is a conflict likely to go on for centuries, and therefore provide the pretext for centuries of war, and profits for the purveyers of war (these same international corporations). So we must now make the distinction between Americans and the international corporations that now use America and Americans in their name.

These are the overriding questions for American citizens themselves, and are aside from the historical and political questions in the region itself.

So Shall we (American citizens) lend our weight, our lives, our moral integrity to an essentially irrational foreign conflict without end? For no one can tell me that this conflict - regardless of current conditions and justifications favoring one side or the other - does not have its roots in internecine hatred. . . So shall we?

The best way for us to help achieve peace is through our disengagement from these irrational schemas and their resulting alliances.

The Hippocratic oath says "First, do no harm." I wish to God politicians took this oath and were forced to adhere to it. So, let us then disengage through sustainable energy independence, and add no further fuel to the flames.

It seems there is little else we can do that is not driven by an unrealistic belief in a greater power to influence the course of events for the positive than we actually have.

I wish both Jews and Moslems well. I have no reason to do otherwise, but I don't see how our involvement on one side or the other (excpet perhaps through diplomacy) can make any difference to the outcome in the long run. To believe otherwise is to think we are more powerful on many levels than we actually are.

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

Very Powerful comments and links, especially the astounding, very revealing and deeply troubling link - http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/ .

I've very little to add to what you have so clearly expounded upon above, so I simply submit these links in compliment - http://www.nationofchange.org/277-million-boston-bombings-1366810645 .

'The horror of Boston should be a reminder that the choice of weaponry can be in itself an act of evil. “Boston Bombs Were Loaded to Maim” is the way The New York Times defined the hideousness of the weapons used, and President Obama made clear that “anytime bombs are used to target innocent civilians, it is an act of terror.” But are we as a society prepared to be judged by that standard?'

And also consider - http://www.nationofchange.org/drone-war-doctrine-we-still-know-nothing-about-1362153657 - Never Give Up on 'reason, justice and LOVE'! Keep Occupying Your Heart! Solidarity :)

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[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

It's the "perversion of the rule of law" and morality, combined with the "force of arms that maintains oppression around the world."

And there is nothing complicated about a people who do not want to be subjugated, and just wanting a better life for themselves and their loved ones

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Good points. I've had the anti-semitic label thrown at some of the sources I've quoted recently as well.

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[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Can you exlain this to me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBmTYU1TETI

When the christians in Europe were living in mud huts, the Arabs/Muslims had very advanced civilzations throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Spain

And when the Euopeans were being victimized by the tyrannical Catholic church in the Dark Ages, Spain with the help of the Muslims was living in an enlightened, tolerant period long before the Renaisance took hold

And if it hadn't been for the Muslims, much of the art science, and philosophy of the Greeks and the Romans would have been lost

Today unlike many other parts of Europe, Spain's rich multi-cultural heritage is being celebrated

You gotta think about quitting commenting for a while, and start learning more

A bit of traveling might 'help' too. Guzzling daiquiris in a pool-bar and gorging yourself at the buffet table in a Caribbean resort won't 'help' though

~Odin~

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I'm not saying all Muslims are "evil"
The Bible condones slavery and stoning and bigamy
but I don't think there are any " Judeo-Christian" countries
that still adhere to that way of life


the "laws" of the Quran - have you read it ?- are obeyed exactly TODAY by millions. It is scary.
Here are a few more quotes from the Quran
20:71 (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees. [ Egyptians never used or even knew of crucifiction ]
21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit. [As the bible pretends to know physics too ]
24:2 The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
33:50 We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war. [ Poligamy; “thy right hand possetheth” is the Quranic term for slaves. You can marry your slaves. - harem ]
36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
[ again – wrong physics – which, like the Bible, is a who cares stupidity – but it clearly shows this book was not created by Allah – unless Allah can make a stupid mistake. ]
37:40-8 Single-minded slaves of Allah - with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, [ obedient slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins in Paradise.]


You might also ask Rushdie & VanGough


One problem we have "in the west" is translation,
If you want to hear the imams rant IN ENGLISH -
see youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5HIaFFgpE

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Go deeper into the Old Testament and see just how f..ked up it is

You want us to read those passages in the Quran and then exptrapolate from them that the Muslim religion is screwed up, hence it is 'our duty' to subjugate and kill as many of them as we can

You want us to ignore the pervasive pedophilia that has went on in the Catholic church for hundreds of years and all over the world

And you want us to ignore the Christian Zions in this country for their carte blanche support of Israel, and the daily degradation and brutality that they bring to so many Palestinians in the squalid refugee camps that they are forced to live in

Shall we also forget the unjust wars, the drone attacks and all the innocent people who have been killed so that we can maintain and expand Empire?

You are the epitome of a small-minded, ethnocentric ass

~Odin~

And just for the record, I was baptized Catholic and I am of northern European heritage

[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

You seem to be obsessed with the past
Listen to the imams ranting today about killing and jihad IN ENGLISH

see youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5HIaFFgpE
BBC'S Dispatches - Undercover in the UK Mosque


BBC: Dispatches - Undercover at the UK Mosque - the Return

youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5HIaFFgpE

Taught by Imams & others to Muslims in the English mosques today
Quotes from this undercover expose:

The one who rejects Islam - we kill them

Judgement for adultery - we stone them until they die

if some woman acts like a man, we throw them from the highest place -
we kill them

In our heart, we have to hate what displeases Allah

Ismam means keeping away from disbelievers (kafir)

It is not allowed to be friends with infadels - the "kafir"

What the Christians say in their churches is vile - an abomination

You love these who love Allah; You hate those who hate Allah

Men should control women

Kafir are evil, filthy people

Jews are pigs

Saudi Arabia cuts off criminals' hands and feet - all Muslims in all countries should

have the right to do the same

A Muslim woman working in an environment that is not Islamic is forbidden

Women are mentally inferior

Beware of taking kafir as friends - you should hate them and their religion

Other religions are worthless

schoolbooks in Muslim schools ask
"describe the repugnant characteristics of Jews"

Muslim countries must do jihad until all countries are ruled by Islam

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

No i am not obsessed with the past, but the brutal history of Christianity speaks for itself

And it is not like we have been reformed because simultaneously while we are in church, we are causing untold human misery by bombing the shit out of people

We have become masters at 'compartmentalizing' our values, and in believing we are a righteous people

The real theat to humanity are the right wing policies that both Israel and the US pursue in their quest for Empire into the 21st century

I question in the 'little world' that you live in whether you know any Muslims personally

If you did, you would know that they like us simply want the chance for a better life for themselves and their loved ones

Intolerant, narrow-minded people like you are the main problem in the world today, and your views are totally antithetical to what Occupy is about

~Odin~

[-] 5 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I am not afraid of Muslims
I am afraid of the Quran - have you ever read it? I have. Do you know what taqiyya is? Do you know what a fatwah is? Do you know who Theo VanGough is?


from the Quran:

33:50 We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war. [ Poligamy; “thy right hand possetheth” is the Quranic term for slaves. You can marry your slaves. - harem ]
36:40 It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. [ again – wrong physics – which, like the Bible, is a who cares stupidity – but it clearly shows this book was not
created by Allah – unless Allah can make a stupid mistake. ]
37:40-8 Single-minded slaves of Allah - with them are those of modest gaze, with lovely eyes, [ obedient slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins in Paradise.]
38:52 And with them are those of modest gaze, companions in Paradise. [ virgins ]
44:54 In Paradise, believers shall wed them unto fair ones with wide, lovely eyes.
47:4 Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks [ decapitation ]
56:24-33 Believers will be reward for what they used to do. Among thornless lote-trees And clustered plantains, And spreading shade, And water gushing, And fruit in plenty And raised couches; And made them virgins, Allah made virgins to be lovers and friends to those - Lovers, friends.
60:1 Choose not My enemy and your enemy (disbelievers) for allies and friendship.
60:9 Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them – (All) such are wrong- doers. [ So Iraq’s Sunnis & Shiites are ordered by Allah to never become allies ???? ]

[-] 5 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Did you notice the overwhelming show of police and Federal forces in Boston to capture one suspect? Or the trampling of the homeowners 4th amendment right to unreasonable search?

Check out these videos and see if you're more afraid of the Koran or the U.S. government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_376206&feature=iv&src_vid=B_Gb6i5DF9k&v=2LrbsUVSVl8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Gb6i5DF9k&feature=player_embedded

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Much nearer to the time of the writing of the Quran took place, diverse cultures including Muslim were living in relative harmony, especially compared to the Dark Ages in Europe where the Catholic church ruled with an 'iron fist'

Is it any wonder that Muslims take comfort in their religion? Isn't that the same thing Christians do when confronted with subjugation, or with life or death experiences?

You still haven't read all the atrocities that took place in the Old Testament at God's beckoning, have you?

You must face the fact that you are a racist xenophobe, and that there is no help for you. Just continue living in you little myopic world

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I do not regard ANY book as a "God"
God is inside of each of us
When we feed ourselves what was written by men and claim it was written by God - THATS when the hatred sets in One of the big differences between the Bible & the New Testament & the Quran is that the majority of the first two are "history lessons" with some "rules of life" - that most modern Jews & Christions do not obey 100%. Very few Jews & Christians, for example practice bigamy or use the death penalty.
The Quran is mostly "rules of life" which encourage war & slavery & bigamy & torture - all IN LAW in many Muslim countries today.


Yes - this is very ugly - but it is the truth

[-] -2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

All Christians & Jews are not evil or good
The Bible, written by men, may have been inspired by God.

All Muslims are not evil or good
The Quran, written by men, may have been inspired by Allah.


From the Bible:
“[The promiscuous daughter] shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.”

I have not heard of a single Christian or Jewish woman being stoned to death
for any offence in 1000+ years. Have you?

Thousands of Germans murdered millions of Jews in 1945 –
…..but that did not come from the Bible.
Dozens of “witches” were burned by the Protestants in 1692 –
...but that did not come from the Bible.
Hundreds of Jews were killed by Spanish Catholics in 1492 –
…..but that did not come from the Bible.

Most “civilized” countries that had used “an eye for an eye” to justify
capital punishment, have evolved away from this Biblical barbarism.


From the Quran:
5:38 "As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.
….It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah."

As of September 2010, stoning is a punishment that is included in the laws in seven Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Iran, Yemen, the United Arab Emirates, and some states in Nigeria. It is used regularly.
I have OFTEN heard of Muslim women ( and men ) being stoned to death for many different offences and having offenders’ limbs cut off.
Have you?

Many Islamic countries & societies OBEY the Quran’s dictates of violence and hatred and sadly have not yet found a way to evolve beyond these barbarities and dictates written more than 1000 years ago .

All Christians & Jews are not evil or good
The Bible is not evil or good

All Muslims are not evil or good
The Quran is not evil or good

The EVIL comes from how a book’s believers blindly
OBEY the dictates in the books – written by men and ordered by men -
that they worship.

Do you know what an Imam’s fatwa is?
…Ask Salman Rushdie or Theo VanGough or any of the victims of “honor killings”

To hear TODAY’s Islam – in ENGLISH - directly from the Imams :
http://www.youtube.com/embed/njRKaX0ORuI?feature=player_detailpage
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_5HIaFFgpE
(you may need to cut and paste these into your browser)

From the BBC: Dispatches -
Undercover at the UK Mosque - the Return

Taught by Imams & others to Muslims in the English mosques today
Quotes from this undercover expose:

“The one who rejects Islam - we kill them

“Judgement for adultery - we stone them until they die

“if some woman acts like a man,
we throw them from the highest place - we kill them

“In our heart, we have to hate what displeases Allah

“Islam means keeping away from disbelievers (kafir)

“It is not allowed to be friends with infadels - the "kafir"

“What the Christians say in their churches is vile - an abomination”

“You love these who love Allah; You hate those who hate Allah”

“Men should control women”

“Kafir are evil, filthy people”

“Jews are pigs”

“Saudi Arabia cuts off criminals' hands and feet -
….all Muslims in all countries should have the right to do the same”

“A Muslim woman working in an environment that is not Islamic is forbidden”

“Women are mentally inferior”

“Beware of taking kafir as friends - you should hate them and their religion”

“ther religions are worthless”

“schoolbooks in Muslim schools ask "describe the repugnant characteristics of Jews"

”Muslim countries must do jihad until all countries are ruled by Islam”


If you are still afraid, and if you want to attack me,
I’m sure that your brain put something in your toilet that you will enjoy using,

but if you have the courage to attack my post, please wipe and then flush -
then, try to think, and use the truth.
Is there ANYTHING in this post that is not the TRUTH?

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. The world would be a far better place if there were fewer people like you in it

Go back to wallowing in your sty

~Odin~

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[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

it is not radicals you need to worry about. it is fanatics. these are not radicals. radicals are simply people with views outside of the establishment. fanatics on the other hand are bat shit crazy.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The real terrorists

http://www.nationofchange.org/real-terrorists-are-corporate-execs-who-ve-bought-regulators-1366467845

Can we bring this back to the purpose of OWS?

[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

great definition!

[-] 1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

we must use words correctly for it is how we share thoughts.

[-] 3 points by silkysara (32) 1 year ago

Interesting topic. I think that students ought to be exposed to these kinds of ideas about the dangers of certain kinds of religious belief. Right now throughout the South they are being brain-washed into thinking that the only way to look at the world is through a religious (i.e., fundamentalist Christian) framework. Thank God I live in a part of the country where nobody gives a damn about organized religion!!!

I hope you like the comment I made on the blog.

[-] 1 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

Thanks Sara. That was a very interesting comment that you made. I never considered the connection between religion and self-harm. Thanks for pointing it out!

[-] -2 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

whatever part of the country you are from there are religious fanatics. those who would reject sound logic and science because some authority told them to do so. i approach religion from a anthropological, historical, and theological perspective. i believe that is how all men should approach the subject. how can you know of religions if you don't know about them? their origins and the origins of the practices and philosophies involved. the parts of the world they originated and the concerns of the people in those lands. i feel as if people approached matters of belief in this manner most would chose to adopt the practices and principals that they find practical, beneficial, and in general of good use to them while leaving the rest on the scrap heap of history. instead we are told you must believe x,y,z or you will never go to heaven, reach nirvana, etc. what a load of horse shit. i am sorry but if your religious beliefs dictate that those who don't believe your silly tale don't get to attain paradise then your religion is fucked. time to build something better.

[+] -5 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

The idea that the South somehow indoctrinates kids into some type of religious fanaticism is false. It’s just a way to slam Christians and suggest they are dangerous. And, no, I’m not a Christian. I’m agnostic. But to stereotype an entire region because it has a strong religious following is wrong. An apology is in order.

Besides, the days, the South isn’t any more religious than anywhere else in the US.

[-] 4 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

Not all generalizations are stereotypes. In several states down south students are being taught "intelligent design" as part of biology. If this is not religious indoctrination, I don't know what is!

[-] 3 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

dude i live in memphis you are kidding yourself you don't think religion is bigger and more important in the south period end of story.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Although I've never lived in the South, I have heard that politics is slowly but surly replacing religion as an article of faith. I get the impression that a lot of Americans treat the Constitution as holy scripture and the Founders as great, holy men.

[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

yes i have read a people's history of the united states. then as now it is all about the money. any seemingly good dead we have ever done has always been about the money in the end.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

I've read that book. Howard Zinn does a great job of giving a history lesson from the perspective of the losers, in which I am proud to be one.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Are you serious?

Have you ever heard of "the bible belt"? Guess where they are referring to?

"isn't anymore religious"? C'mon. You even slipped and said the "region .....strong religious following", compared to what? Regions not strong in religious following?

[-] -3 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

The bible belt is not as much the bible belt anymore. I live here.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Not as much? But still?

[+] -4 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

Yea, maybe the exception may be Baylor University in Waco, TX is the heart of Baptist country. That's my school for you.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

But the bible belt remains.

[-] -1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

If everyone just lived their lives mindful of the 10 commandments this would be a much nicer world.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Some of the commandments are just egotistical vain god related.

Besides haven't matured enough as a culture that we can put these bronze age failytales behind us?

[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

meh we don't need the 10 commandments to know right from wrong.

[-] -3 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Doesn't mean the world wouldn't be a better place if they were adhered to tho, does it? Also seems there are a kit of people who never got any guidelines growing up

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You mean stealing, adultery, murder, lying is committed because people didn't "get any guidelines"?

[-] -2 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

You have a better theory?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well I submit we are all given guidelines when we grow up. Most criminals (like most citizens) were raised with religion.

Regardless of religious beliefs though even people who grow up without religion learn that hurting, stealing, & lying is wrong. Otherwise most criminals would be atheists.

My suggestion (theory) wouldbeto set aside the bronze age fairy tales, and focus on the real roots of these individual crimes, Petty theft/mugging-deal with poverty, Stealing little old ladies life savings- rethink the foundations of capitalism create a "we're in this together" concept, rather than "buyer beware, you're on your own" mentality.

Murder-deal with mental illness, get guns away from gangs, educate men better on how to deal with conflict, poverty.

So we don't need the "old white man in the sky with superpowers". We can raise our children better. And manage our society/economy more fairly.

That'll do it.

[-] -2 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Well the left is certainly doing all it can to demonize, marginalize, and evaporize religion. So check.

Raising our children better? Er, not so much. But I am sure when religion is replaced with progressive beliefs the children will thrive.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

So you don't like the left, or progressive beliefs? Why?

And you think the answer is in religion.?

Wow. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[-] 0 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

bullshit.

[-] 0 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

fuck off i live in memphis you are lying to yourself or everyone else which is it? tell you what why don't you try to build a mosque in memphis? see how that works out. you are right they are not religious ha ha ha ha http://news.yahoo.com/cair-says-sponsors-tenn-anti-islam-bill-sink-194000901.html

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[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

learn the truth if you dare
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
southern poverty law center where was jerry falwell from?
where is pat robertson from?
where in bob jones university?

[-] -1 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

Don’t get me started on the SPLC. They think every conservative and religious organization is a hate group. I’ve done a little research. SPLC is a dangerous organization. It’s a money thing for them.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Don't be a hater!

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

I've done a lot of research - every one of your claims is a lie
can you prove they are dangerous? NO can you prove "its a money thing"? NO do you know how much money Mark Potok makes? do you know how much wayne lapierre makes? do you know how much pat robertson makes?

[-] -1 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

When any organization sets itself up to call other groups “hate” groups without any checks and balances it a disturbing situation. Seems to me if ANY group doesn’t match SPLC’s politically correct vision of the world they get labeled a hate group. I think their arbitrary and malicious on who they call a hate group. I do not trust their motives or agenda. I think people are waking up to the problems of the SPLC.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

There is plenty "checks and balances". Their motives are to fight hate by identifying & denouncing hate groups & acts of hate.

So I hope that explains things and puts you.at ease.

[-] -2 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

That's the most bullshit statement I've heard this week. SPLC is a hate group.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It's the truth. SPLC is one of our most potent weapons against hate. They should be congratulated for their brave honest work.

I hope this helps you see the truth.

http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are#.UXb2X8oy5js

[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

can you name three groups they label hate groups that you think are not hate groups?

[-] 0 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

I don’t disagree there are hate groups. All I’m saying is the SPLC seems to call every group who doesn’t meet their politically correct ideals a hate group. You believe the MSM too much. SPLC are not the good guys you want them to be.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I don't believe MSM at all. SPLC has nothing wrong that I can find, their info checks out.

I see the hate groups designation, related to those groups actions, public statements, and witnesses. it ain't about money or politics.

It's about the truth. Its about fighting hate.

[-] -1 points by Narley (281) 1 year ago

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the SPLC is dangerous orgenization that threatens evryones liberty.

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[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

If it's all the same to you, I prefer not to retreat. I agree with you that at times religion can certainly be used as a means of population control and management. But you don't realize that some religious ideas (e.g., Catholic social teaching) is hated by those who control our society precisely because it challenges their economic and political control over the society. Your views on religion may be a bit too simplistic.

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[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

I agree with you in general, but I simply can't go as far as you do in condemning all forms of religion. I know too many religious leftists who are doing great work (including some who commented on the original piece). Still, I appreciate your thoughtfulness on the subject!

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[-] -1 points by itsmyblood (10) 1 year ago

are you suggesting that the catholic church is anti new world order? ha ha ha ha ha ha holy shit people CAN get themselves to believe anything. i mean anyfuckingthing.

[-] 2 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. But you obviously don't know the kinds of Catholic leftists that I've met who are working against the new world order all around the world. The institution is more than just the Pope and Bishops.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (20443) 1 year ago

In the end, it is all over the sharing of resources. Religion, like nationalism is just a way to separate one group from another in the fight for resources. It is more about geography than anything else.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

Whatever adverse opinions or thoughts precipitate it is the act that we condemn.

Boston occurred for one reason and it was not incompetence, it was inability - an inability born of a pervasive correctness that has made appropriate action politically prohibitive; it has hijacked our security and prosperity. And this governing body must be held accountable.

[-] -3 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Glad to see you don't attend one of them ultra liberal schools that teach religion is the root of all evil

[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

I never said that religion is the root of all evil. I just said that there are tendencies in organized religion that lend themselves to being twisted. I was very careful to say that there are healthy forms of religious-mindedness.

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[-] -3 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Religion is the chief cause of ALL of the worlds problems.

Christians are violent, Atheists are violent, Muslims are violent, even religious Buddhists can be very violent.

A failure to tolerate other people's beliefs caused the bombings.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Can you paste the Atheist violence statistics here so we can take a look?

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

he cant,.....he makes it all up as he goes.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

From your last link: "Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person"

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Moron.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

at least im not whatever you are.........

i show that like other religions, atheism has a tendancy to be violent and all i get is someone (i have never me) to call me a moron. right.........

do you have any legit rebuttal to my post? or are you just going to accept my opinion as fact?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm glad. You have already stated that you are here to not make sense.

This you have achieved.

You don't deserve a rebuttal. You know this. Thus, moron will suffice.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

and I'm pround to be a Moron, where at least I know I'm free. And I wont forget those who are ignorant, and I proudly stand up next to me and defend my opinion still today.

Im proud to be just be me....

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You don't have an opinion. You are merely here to distract.

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

that is your opinion. ;)

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

That was your admission, dude.

[+] -4 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

What?

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

atheism isnt a religion. drug addiction is caused by religion?

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

" a failure to tolerate other peoples beliefs caused the bombings" you mean the muslims that did the bombings have no tolerance for anyone that isnt muslim and thats why they did what they did?

[-] -1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

I think he meant intolerance causes conflict, religion not withstanding. There are many issues that incite intolerance. There are many ways to inflame emotions into us vs them. Just look at all the social issues our politicians keep braying about to keep the masses from focusing on being oppressed To blame religion is rather simple minded. Religion does a lot of good, too.

[-] -2 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

" a failure to tolerate other peoples beliefs caused the bombings" , is about religion.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

That's if you are assuming guilt without trial.

Do you believe everything the admin/MSM tells you?

[-] -1 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

believe the administration and the msm? never.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

exactly what i mean, but also america's refusal to tolerate the beliefs of muslims.

Tamerlan claimed that he felt alienated by american culture and had "no american friends".

[+] -4 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago

islam isnt a religion. calling ist self one doesnt make it so. its a political system.

[-] 3 points by sophiaomni (289) 1 year ago

I think that it's probably both a religion and a political system. This is also true of Catholicism. A religion is just an organized system of beliefs, so Islam would definitely be one.

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