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Forum Post: REally? No Shit . . .

Posted 4 months ago on March 26, 2014, 8:16 p.m. EST by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT
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So I was in a plumbing supply house today. Not that I'm a plumber but you know, I was, I was in a plumbing supply house today. The water line came apart in the basement last night and so, you know, there was a mess to clean up and parts to get and so there I was, in the plumbing supply house.

They have a tv - next to the counter - in the plumbing supply house. It's a big screen tv.

Does that strike anyone as odd?

It was tuned to FUX Snuz. Seriously. I kid you not.

The guy that was waiting on me went off to do some research and left me there at the counter, all by myself - right beside that big ass tv . . . tuned to FUX Snuz . . .

You just know I couldn't resist, right? There were a couple of other people there, one of them another employee of the plumbing supply house, counter help, haha. Eeyeah.

You know they've done a study I piped up good and loud, they have, they've done a couple of them, that indicate that people who watch FUX Snuz are dumber than the rest of America.

I did. I said that. And heres a link to a recent study. Looks like that article appeared in January this year.

Anyway that's just the way I am. I'm trying to do business with these people and there is that tv and I just cannot help myself. The guy at the counter got all up tight, and he started sputtering about President Obama attempting to take over the internet and shit . . . I mean, I thought it was companies like Comcast that were trying to take over the internet but I dunno, maybe I haven't been paying attention. I was tempted to see if I couldn't get him twisted even harder, maybe make his squealin' just a little more shrill - but honestly I didn't have any notes in front of me and that tv was quite a surprise - and it never dawned on me to just tell him about global warming - how it's right out in the parking lot and the repelican party is DONE . . .

But honestly, I do differentiate between those who are the traffickers and those who are the consumers of LIES . . . I do think it is an important distinction. The guy at the counter is no different from most folks really - and most folks would not deliberately consume an inferior product, not knowing full well the breadth and the depth of the inferiority. Not without a well thought out set of reasons for doing so.

But the owner of the company . . . now that may be a whole other matter.

Anywayz . . . I didn't know if it would be instructive to any of you folks to discover that in many ways the way I act on line is not much different from the way I am in person. I am an obnoxious prick . . . and that is without even tryin'.

There is a thread running around here, Some Current Thoughts of Solution and it seems the author isn't sure if the thread should read ZenDogs Current Thoughts of Solution or not. For a while it did and I'm sure some of you saw it. It doesn't now and it doesn't matter, really.

But what does matter, or so it seems to me, is that I posted the following:

  1. http://occupywallst.org/forum/current-thoughts-of-solution/#comment-1026391

  2. http://occupywallst.org/forum/current-thoughts-of-solution/#comment-1026392

  3. http://occupywallst.org/forum/current-thoughts-of-solution/#comment-1026393

I posted them in that order and then shit just seemed to fall apart. Never mind the particulars. Just know it's been one thing after another, non stop, all day long.

And so I thought, you know, just for the sake of clarity, I might provide a little insight. Yes, the water pump needs an o ring. Without it I won't get a shower. And if I catch the muther fuker droppin o rings in the frozen back yard I will most likely killem. Unless of course they own the property, in which case they can drop all the o rings they like - but they will get a grilling over the matter of who it was that put them up to it - not that they would really know of course.

So much for o ring droppin' mutherfukers . . .

AS for the clown in the parking lot this morning - I wasn't sure if or what . . . but you know - his shoes didn't match his coat and after having been spanked as hard as I have been in the past nothing looks the same and so you know . . . I just couldn't help myself. I really shouldn't have really. The way he was looking around the parking lot - it could have been genuine paranoia, he might not have been acting - but I just couldn't help it. I had to tell him. I said: I really shouldn't mention it, but those shoes really don't go with that coat. I don't know if he caught the sarcasm or not - certainly he did not get the rage, that I hid very carefully. Very deliberately. And I kept walking as he responded. I really didn't want to hear whatever explanation he might offer - and he might in fact not have been an actor, which is precisely why I shouldn't behave that way.

AS I said, I really just couldn't help myself.

And as for that entire series of shit just going wrong - well. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes it's engineered. Either way, I'll say it again. Just to be clear - I don't want anyone to think I regret having said it.

  • History demonstrates, from the Great Famine in Ireland c. 1845, to the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression, to today's conservative resentment over FDR policy and repelican brinkmanship over the economy regardless of consequence during the entirety of President Obama's tenure. Conservatives are insane.

  • We need a study, one that should not take too long to get at the facts - regarding the full breadth and depth of damage done to this nation by men like the Koch brothers and their allies like Rove, Norquist, and all the rest of them. I don't mean the politicians themselves, but rather their strategists and their think tanks and their money men. The politicians are no more than duly appointed faces fronting for particular, conservative, interests. At what cost must be the question.

  • Once the evidence has been assembled, and it will show that I am absolutely correct in assessment, conservatives are insane and content to destroy the whole nation if need be to satiate their mad whims . . . once the evidence is assembled a strategy may be devised, one based on the imperative of national interest.

  • At that point, if conservatives will not relinquish power, then I say . . .

    • . . . lets just killem all . . .


any questions?



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[-] 5 points by elf3 (2240) 3 months ago

zendog - do you ever have anything coherent to say what so ever .. ? I mean you're on here all the freaking time and I get so hopeful every-time I click on a post I am just so annoyed and disappointed that someone who spends so much time apparently thinking about all of this - could make so little sense - I don't normally go looking to pick an argument with someone - but if you're all the hope I can hope for - man I am sadly sol at least coming on here to hopefully communicate with intelligible individuals

[-] 4 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

REally? Well . . . you can find a few links here to the Irish Famine and I'll bet you can Google FDR dust bowl conservatives but just in case you can't . . .

And as for not makin' a lick ah sense . . . you just check out Will Rogers Never you mind the source, just pay attention to the monologue. It's a fascinating view of history.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

Never mind the source, just pay attention to the monologue? And this, coming from the guy that had a full-blown three day shit fit recently by ignoring the monologue and focusing exclusively on the source despite the fact that what was spoke was truth. Whatta fawkin' hypocrite.

And for the record, there were plenty of liberals that hated FDR, my maternal grandfather being one. Among other things, think "gold confiscation."

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

truth? from conservative lips? That's not even possible let alone likely.

and as for the gold confiscation, I haven't researched it, but clearly its an extension of attempts at policy to remake the foundation of the economy which began at the turn of the century. IE - while the economy was under different management.

I would not doubt for one second that some ah you conservative mutherfukers got shit all screwed up leading up to 1913 - I mean, obviously somebody did . . . and it still isn't straightened out.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

zendog - do you ever have anything coherent to say what so ever .. ?

sometimes I do, sure. - like for example - I dropped the tailgate on my one ton today, from the top. The chains had been set to catch the tailgate once it got level with the dump bed, and I had used it early last week. IE early last week the tailgate was set as I describe. Since then someone readjusted the chains.

I'm guessing it was Saturday nite - and if I'm right, then they will appear on film. I was parked at the Post Office - it's a federal building - with camera surveillance. I'm not positive that's where it took place, but likely.

Now why would someone readjust my chains like that? Surely you can guess. And the fact of the matter is I have far greater tolerance for nonsense like that than I do with someone who predicts catastrophe will be based on an o ring and then leaves one in the back yard where I will find it, just about the same time as the catastrophe takes place.

That shit just makes me homicidal.


come by the house dribbling o rings and I'll show ya.

[-] 1 points by 4truthbetold (15) from New York, NY 3 months ago

Sounds like Münchausen by Internet. The OP is feigning mental illness.

[-] 4 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

Interesting link.

[-] 1 points by 4truthbetold (15) from New York, NY 3 months ago

Thanks mate.

[-] 5 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

At first I thought it was a joke until I read it.

And this post is just his latest example of pointless self-absorption. Whenever the forum shows him more attention than he deserves, he's starts preening around like a fucking peacock.

[-] 1 points by JGriff99mph (507) 3 months ago

The peacock haha

[-] 4 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

Not surprisingly, The peacock is also where he gets his "information" about world affairs, apparently.

[-] 1 points by JGriff99mph (507) 3 months ago

ah, a double meaning nickname. Those are always the best. Even better when they morph into something else over time.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

I can see that happenin', heheh.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

here have a picture, you right wing GEE.no.Money linguistic charade . . . .

now have another

one last one

you right wing anarcho.capitalist scumbag

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5805) from St Louis, MO 3 months ago

I'll get back with ya before the night's over, because apparently you really want me to reply, heheh. Right now I'm juggling a few things. By the way, I saw this the first time you sent it.

ZenWorld must be a pretty lonely place.

[-] 1 points by 4truthbetold (15) from New York, NY 3 months ago

You have nothing to do with Occupy. You insult the mentally challenged. You pick on minorities. You're an Internet bully.


[-] 0 points by 4truthbetold (15) from New York, NY 3 months ago

Yes, the "I want to kill everyone" routine is a classic attention grabber.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

not everyone - just right wing scumbags

I mean, just look at 'em - all over the Best Comments Today column. And you know that couldn't happen if this site were set up so everyone could see exactly what everyone else advocated over time. YOu slimmy lyin righties would get ignored or get the boot real fast if this place were set up right.

and you lyin fukers know it.

talk about twinkle team

fuk you


[-] 1 points by JGriff99mph (507) 3 months ago

Making any kind of activism that is outside the norm look crazy to the general public is usually a very effective tactic to discourage and control.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

and just what, pray tell, is the most efficacious method of doing so? Try using a real crazy person, or even more fun, make a completely normal person appear absolutely insane . . .

It can be done of course. With a few dirty tricks you can destabilize a person's entire range of social connections and once that is complete they will be sputtering with m4dN355 for years . . .

ya fukin libertarian scumbag

IN this particular instance the place died out long ago and there really isn't much left to either discourage or control . . .


[-] 3 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

so, you know, I don't know if this is good news, bad news, or just a shifting of the shitbags as the ship goes under . . . . but anywayz . . .

At least he is pursuing a strong national security policy - surely as the op above comes to it's conclusion it is clear - that's all I advocate . . .

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 3 months ago

laugh them out of court

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

man there are some really stupid libertarians around here

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I understand my o ring should be here later this morning - that means I should be all cleaned up and sweet smelling by . . . later this afternoon.

Just imagine . . . me . . . all cleaned up and sweet smelling . . .

bwa hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago


[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

you - Loud mouth - with the conservative libertarian bullshit.

That's right, I'm talking to you. Any Questions I said.

no? Good.

Shut the fuk up.

[-] 2 points by nazihunter (317) 3 months ago

you wanna rip 'em a new asshole or should I?

[+] -5 points by friedmanmises (-78) 3 months ago

I'm a conservative libertarian! I have something to say!

So, because we don't agree with your point of view, you want to kill us… and you think we're insane.

So, conservatives want to destroy the entire nation… by sticking to the policies that made us the richest and most successful nation in the world? You're right. If we had no conservatives, we would live in paradise… like Detroit! Or Chicago! The governments are great there! I wouldn't want to live in a place with a failed conservative economy like Texas.

So, conservatives who favor a system of capitalism that has succeeded tremendously every time it's been tried in history except for a few times are insane, but those who favor socialism which has failed every time it's been tried except for one time aren't?

You're right. If conservatives had their way to the extreme, they would take us back to the 1800's and early 1900's! A time of no progress or civilized thinking, where the standard of living for both the rich and the poor increased more than it had ever in world history. A time of economic exploitation so evil and so cruel, that millions of people from around the world came to live here and then sent home for their family and friends creating a massive continual increase in immigration.

Conservatives are so selfish, that they give 30% more to charity. Their economic ideas make so little sense, that their libertarian conservative "Chicago" school of economics has won the most Nobel prizes in economics. They are against gun control, despite the fact that United States has the 3rd highest murder rate in the world (And, if you take out cities not controlled by conservatives that have gun control like Chicago, Detroit, Washington D.C. and New Orleans, the ranking goes all the way up to 4th lowest)!!! They also vote for the most racist party ever, the Republicans. They did racist things like end slavery and segregation. They opposed the democrats, who wanted to end racism with peaceful organizations like the KKK.

Most insane conservatives will think I'm lying, but I have the sources:




[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

Most insane conservatives will think I'm lying

I'm certain you are - it's all in your name: friedmanmises - with such a strong linguistic suggestion regarding an extreme state of gender confusion combined with space cadetry contained in a name like fried.man.mises one has to presume that you won't fit well among conservatives and you know it - not that it isn't possible, after all the repelican party does host a few African American individuals despite their rather blatant racism . . .

So no, I don't believe you but I'll play along because at its heart you do present a valid question.

Agreeing or failing to agree with my point of view is utterly immaterial. I am only one person, one vote if you will, among something like 300 million. I am well aware it isn't my country - or rather, it is, but it is not mine exclusively. I get that.

And it isn't all bad news, I'm sure . . . after all, Conservatives, with their behavior, helped us obtain anti-trust laws, they fostered the conditions that necessitated the arrival of Unions, and they were even chiefly responsible for the necessity of War to eliminate slavery - even if we did call them dems way back then. If you examine the policy you will find that slavery is absolutely a conservative policy - it never could be considered liberal.

And since repelicans and racism have both been brought up, I would be remiss were I to fail to point out the party of Lincoln is not the party of Global Warming Denial that we have today . . . . The racists remained among the dems even into the 1930s [and later] - but it was around the time of FDR that the racists began migrating to the repelicans.

And I do not want to kill all conservatives. Just the players and the policy shapers. And only enough of them for the rest to learn a valuable lesson - I mean after all, why the fuk not - If you take a trek by some right wing social gathering - online or off - I'm sure you will find a far higher percentage of paranoid ravings than you will among other groups. My opinion is that much of that paranoia is deliberately . . . cultivated . . . using surveillance tools and group stalking combined with some fairly elegant dirty tricks . . . If they are willing to torment their own minions then perhaps they are prepared to reap their own harvest.

That aside, if a close examination is made regarding conservative policy in England concerning the price of grain and the issue of imports during the Irish Potato Famine one will quickly discover that the effects of conservative price gouging include widespread death by starvation and disease and a significant threat - including attempted assassination - of the crown.

So what I have called for is a study. A close examination, of Conservative Policies and their impacts, from the Great Irish Famine through the Dust Bowl and Great Depression, to Deregulation and Global Warming of this current day.

Examine it all. Very closely. I have every confidence that it will be unmistakable. Conservatives are mad with a lust for money and for power. They are utterly indifferent to the human suffering their behavior induces. They think it is right and just - and so I say let them reap what they themselves believe is right and just.

  • Let them reap their full measure of righteous justice

And as for killing them myself - well. I'm not much at killing - not personally. I can, and I probably will, come Monday. Which fact is rather interesting . . . my neighbor has asked me to work on her tractor, on her car, help grade her back yard, stack hay and even bury both of her horses, but she has never asked me to kill anything before. Not until today that is. It seems she has a raccoon problem.

Given this current discussion I confess, I do find the timing rather interesting. I'll be sure not to miss.

[+] -5 points by friedmanmises (-78) 3 months ago

My arguments based on facts and logic crumble to your solid arguments not based on anything.

By the way, friedmanmises refers to Milton Friedman and Ludwig Von Mises.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

nice! see? conservative scum will love you! Even if you are attempting to contrive a gender confused appeal . . . I don't really get it myself - I mean, obviously you are attempting to confuse your present identity with that of the author of the site, and I guess that is supposed to suggest or to convey some degree of credibility to whatever you happen to put forth at any given moment . . . but still . . .

when truth and when reason are your guide such false contrivances cease to be meaningful, they become completely unnecessary ploys to cast aside in favor of the real and the incontrovertible.


[+] -6 points by chilidip (-34) 3 months ago

Apparently the moron zen dogg shit, can't understand why someone would watch the dominant number ONE cable broadcast new network.

It just escapes this idiot, The delusional liberal pinhead thinks everyone is watching the propaganda network, his beloved MSNBC

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

yo man. They've done studies. R.e.s.e.a.r.c.h. It clearly shows, Watching Fux Snooz makes you dummer 'n ah box ah rocks.

You should'a spent more time in class man, and less time at the bar . . .

[+] -4 points by friedmanmises (-78) 3 months ago

YOU should have spent less time in class, and more time in the REAL WORLD.

Thomas Sowell used to be a Marxist. He went to college and was taught economics by Milton Friedman himself. He was still a Marxist. Then, he went to the real world.

He is now a conservative.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

go get a grip

  1. Jesus was a liberal

    • we believe the historical, Biblically documented teachings of Jesus Christ clearly show that Jesus is a Liberal. His philosophy, based in compassion, equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance, peace and - most importantly - love, is 100% Liberal.

    • which means of course that Christian Conservatives have much to learn about the teachings of their messiah . . .

  2. George Washington was a liberal

    • “As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”

    • protections of civil government he said. That is what civil governent is intended to do . . . you fool you

  3. Emancipation was a Liberal Philosophy

    • Humanity’s common, categorical right to liberty undermined the justification of slavery in the eighteenth century and culminated in the egalitarian thrust of Civil War and Reconstruction.

    • Lincoln claimed a long-standing revulsion from the inhumanity of slavery, and during the 1850s he outspokenly declared it morally wrong. In an 1854 speech in Peoria, Illinois, that laid out the basic position he was to take on slavery until 1863, he grounded his ethical stance in classical liberal doctrine: “The proposition that each man should do precisely as he pleases with all which is exclusively his own, lies at the foundation of the sense of justice there is in me,” he declared. “The doctrine of self government is right—absolutely and eternally right.” Whether the principle of self-government applied to the Negro depended simply on “whether a negro is not or is a man,” a question whose answer he never doubted.

[-] -2 points by friedmanmises (-78) 3 months ago

Jesus said to help the poor. Conservatives do that. He did not say to vote to have a the government steal money and waste it and then give it to the poor. That's what liberals do. He said to forgive others for wrong doings, but he didn't say to force others to endure the consequences of those wrong doings. Jesus is not a politician.

George Washington was a CLASSICAL liberal. Like all of the other founding fathers, he favored limited government and Laissez-Faire capitalism. He was against the old conservatives who wanted monarchy and nobility. Conservatives today are trying to "conserve" the classical liberal ideals.

Emancipation was done by Republicans. Lincoln and other republicans were conservatives. You just said he was a classical liberal and favored self government. Those are conservative values. He said "You can not help a man permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." He also said "I don't believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good…. ThatThat some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence built."

Even the slaves were conservatives. Fredrick Douglass told democrats "n regard to the colored people, there is always more that is benevolent, I perceive, than just, manifested towards us. What I ask for the negro is not benevolence, not pity, not sympathy, but simply justice. The American people have always been anxious to know what they shall do with us... I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! ... And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot box, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone, — your interference is doing him positive injury."

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

fuk you ya lyin snake - there is no free market

go read up on some history

fukin conservatives should all be lined up and shot