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Forum Post: Rand Vs Brennan

Posted 1 year ago on March 7, 2013, 7:27 a.m. EST by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/03/06/qa-rand-paul-drones-and-brennan/

You may not like his other views on what hte role of government is in regards to social nets and regulations, but we can all agree its about time SOMEONE started making at least a peep on the drones and the bombs.

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[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

OK, here is the deal on Paul an the NDAA. I am a bit disappointed that GirlFriday has not admitted to her error, but our Govt can certainly be confusing.

S3254 was a version of the NDAA that had the indefinite detention clause STRIPPED FROM THE BILL and words to chill out the AUMF. This bill passed 98-0 and yes, Paul voted for that. However, McCain and some other assholes put the language back into the FINAL BILL, S4310 and Paul voted against it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The VAWA.

How did he vote on that?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I have noticed that many are confused by my vote for NDAA. Please allow me to explain.

First, we should be clear about what the bill is. NDAA is the yearly defense authorization bill. It’s primary function is to specify which programs can and can't be funded within the Pentagon and throughout the military. It is not the bill that spends the money—that comes later in an appropriations bill.

Because I think we should spend less, I will offer amendments to cut spending. I will likely vote against the final spending bill. This wasn't it.

This bill also isn’t about indefinite detention. This year's bill did not contain the authorization for indefinite detention.

That provision was in last year's NDAA bill.

The bill this year contained the amendment I supported which sharply limited the detention power, and eliminated it entirely for American citizens in the US. While it is only a partial victory, it was a big victory. Particularly compared to what passed last year. Even so, I will continue to fight to protect anyone who could possibly be indefinitely detained.

I would never vote for any bill, anywhere, that I believed enhanced the government's power to abridge your rights and detain people. This goes against every principle I hold dear and the Constitution I took an oath to uphold and protect.

Government power and the many associated abuses have been piling up for years. We will not win all our liberties back at once. But we did win one battle this year, and we should be pleased that we did while also realizing the fight is really just getting started.

I hope you will keep fighting alongside me.

Start here: http://americanvisionnews.com/5036/rand-paul-explains-flip-flop-on-ndaa-activist-group-blasts/

[-] -1 points by satohirona (-20) 1 year ago

You'll never win the fight against US government by getting a law passed here and there. The system is broken beyond repair. We have to stop concentrating on decoys. What matters is Occupy and anarchy. A country run by the people, for the people. That's the last hope for US. You're drowning in politics when you should be helping to plan the next Occupy invasion.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Is that right? Do tell.

Gee, and you chose me to discuss this with. Not the author of the thread and not FF? Why is that?

[-] -3 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

I get stinkled fo stating facts? WOw. Obama is the greatest president ever!!!!! (that blatant lie should get some twinkle love)

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Yes. Whatever you do, don't use facts.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

LOL

The leopard still can't change it's spots.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/rand-paul-no-progressive-hero-despite-anti-drone-filibuster

It can still perform in the circus though.

Funny how those that deride the circus embrace it when a Paul performs.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Eh, he bent over like a good politician today after getting his little note from Holder.

Time for the media to move onto the next story. Nothing to see here.

[+] -5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I don't like him at all. Essentially, these are the same questions that have been asked by the public. We have as yet received a logical response. The same line of questioning is used in Hedges v Obama. The government refused to answer

He voted for the 2013 NDAA

[-] 5 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

GF, perhaps you can provide the link that says Rand voted for NDAA. I just googled it since I could not believe you since it does appear you were wrong?

Why criticize Rand for raising the profile of "the same questions that have bee asked by the public"? Is that not the job of our elected officials...whether you like a particular one or not?

Roll call 2013 NDAA http://www.ibtimes.com/ndaa-bill-2013-how-did-your-senator-vote-992940

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I can criticize Rand as much as I feel like. It isn't my problem how special he needs to feel today

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wow - lovers of Rand Shithead not liking your comment much - Hey?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yes. Ok, at the end of November there was a vote on the Feinstein amendment. This is Rand's amendment. http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/11/30/senate-passes-indefinite-detention-limitations-amid-various-interpretations-of-the-statute-language/

And everybody says: lolwut?

December 4th, the senate passes w/ amendment 98-0-----with all the rest (Iran, etc.)

And everybody says: lolwut?

Now, Paul issues his statement espwaining.

Since the House and the Senate have two different versions this all goes to a congressional committee that has to .....become one with the force? Rectify where there are differences? Merge into a single lane?

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/budget-appropriations/270973-senate-passes-key-defense-policy-bill-

They drop the Feinstein amendment on 12/18 and everything else and the revised version gets sent back and is voted on again. Now, Rand jumps up and down.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Thanks for the clarification.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yes. Ok, at the end of November there was a vote on the Feinstein amendment. This is Rand's amendment. http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/11/30/senate-passes-indefinite-detention-limitations-amid-various-interpretations-of-the-statute-language/

And everybody says: lolwut?

December 4th, the senate passes w/ amendment 98-0-----with all the rest (Iran, etc.)

And everybody says: lolwut?

Now, Paul issues his statement espwaining.

Since the House and the Senate have two different versions this all goes to a congressional committee that has to .....become one with the force? Rectify where there are differences? Merge into a single lane?

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/budget-appropriations/270973-senate-passes-key-defense-policy-bill-

They drop the Feinstein amendment on 12/18 and everything else and the revised version gets sent back and is voted on again. Now, Rand jumps up and down.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And then we have this fuckin idiot Rubio calling Jay Z a "modern day poet"... We have THE DUMBEST LAZIEST FREAKS in Congress ever. Ever. There is no way on earth we have ever had a more shameful bunch of low level pond scum that these horrendous pukes.

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

Jay Z and Beiyonce are BFF's with our Organizer-in-Chief. Strange indeed.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

I seriously think we should start having entrance exams for congress. I mean a doctor has to take exams....engineers have ot take exams....a school teacher has to take exams....but the people leading the entire f'n country and arguably the world don't have to prove they know $hit.

Seriously what are the qualifications? Get up on stage and manipulate people through pretty sounding words and a big smile.

You got idiots like Governor Perry up on stage who got a D in Econ 101 in college talking about how he's going to fix the economy....this guy could possibly win the position to control the most powerful country in the world??? WTF?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxlxJw1KH4Q

[-] 1 points by satohirona (-20) 1 year ago

Let's just get rid of Congress altogether and replace it with anarchy. Why patch up systems which are broken beyond repair. Duct taping a leaking pipe doesn't help for long.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Be a whore. Thats the only qualification. Behave and be a whore.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

And let's add a brain scan to screen out sociopathy.

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

lol i'd back that suggestion.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Brennan himself seems to be some kind of pathological liar. Recall his "Osama hid behind his wives" schpiel? It seems he can't resist gilding the lily.

[-] -1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

exactly...i don't trust that guy at all

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

He is a total hypocrite, and anyone who could back Romney for president is obviously in there to be "one of the guys" and thats it. Freedom my ass.

That being said, I was glad to see SOMEONE attempting to bring light to the Americans killed overseas and where this all leads to.

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I want to agree here. The problem that I have with him is his timing He knew he pissed off a lot of people by voting for the NDAA which makes this nothing more than political theater.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

GF, please quit saying Paul voted for NDAA when he did not.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

FF---suck it up.

[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

I have no ideawhat the examiner was talking about...here is the roll call on the bill sent to prez from .gov site...PAUL VOTED NAY

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00229

[-] 3 points by freakyfriday (179) 1 year ago

You are showing the vote for 3254...it was NOT the final bill signed by our Organizer-in-Chief. The thing you are referring to was added as an ammendment to he FINAL NDAA that Paul voted NAY on. Follow the progression here

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN03254:@@@R

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

DOMA

How did he vote on DOMA?

What does he say about access laws for the disabled?