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Forum Post: Put a leash on Corporations. Help them modify their behavior.

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 17, 2012, 2:02 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN
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As the saying goes:

"With Great Power comes Great Responsibility"

1 points by ZenDog (4699) 3 hours ago

The solution is really quite simple. You and I are required to carry car insurance, so that in the event of an accident compensation is available, regardless of liability.

There is no such system for large companies that pose risks to the communities where they operate.

We are not social engineers of course. Most of us live our lives, trying to get by, feed and house ourselves and provide for the kids. Most of us don't even think about these kinds of issues until we must, as a result of harm done, to ourselves or our neighbors.

Some of the people affected by this particular disaster lost everything - and probably have seen no compensation of any kind beyond immediate disaster assistance provided by organizations like the Red Cross.

That is inherently unfair. And to top it off - they must have access to expensive attorneys if they are to see even a dime.

Were the decision makers behind this shit hole taken from their homes in the middle of the night, and lynched, I can assure you, several things would happen:

those responsible would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

social engineers of all kinds would come together, to design a system that creates an appearance of fairness, and it would most likely be a form of privatized insurance whose costs are passed on directly to the consumer; thus providing a new mechanism of profit for those social engineers, as well as the armies of attorneys who would litigate matters of liability just as they do now.

a more equitable solution would of course be a national system of liability insurance, much like the FDIC.

And it all begins with investing the social engineers, personally, in the maintenance of systems that produce fairness in the social setting.

Many of them are repelicans, who will not spend one dime unless they must.

↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] 1 points by DKAtoday (1667) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 minutes ago

One thing.

I agree corporations need to be held accountable for the damage they do.

I also agree that they should have to have some sort of liability coverage for the damage that they do.

But I believe that it needs to be set-up in a way where the cost is not passed on to the consumer.

I believe it should also be set-up so that it does not screw the employees.

All costs should be carried by the owners, board of directors and the executive officers.

When they are slapped with a bill for damages the corporations fees for services or price for product should be frozen, so that they can not pass the cost on to their customer. Their employee base should be frozen as well so that the employees do not get laid off to pay for costs.

If their insurance coverage is not enough to cover the damages, then the owner's, board of directors, and executive officers assets should be attached/sold/confiscated to cover what is missing, again freezing their income with the same restrictions as above to protect the employee's and customers.

Make them take serious consideration for their actions and seriously accountable for mistakes/damages.

The Insurance Providers must be restricted from spreading cost outside of the corporate insurance coverage, they can not be allowed to recoop expenses from other insurance sources.

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[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 12 years ago

Here's an op-ed article you may find worth the time to read.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12016/1203783-109.stm

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 12 years ago

They'd probably figure out a way to place bets against themselves and reap monetary benefit in the event of their own failings. Oh! Wait! They already ran that scam?! That can't happen again, can it? ;-)

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Unfortunately it can until "The People" put a stop to it.

[-] 3 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 12 years ago

You are, unfortunately, quite correct.

Many come to this forum for the sole purpose of accusing Occupiers of the very things they themselves are guilty of but from the opposite end of the dynamic. They claim occupiers are spoiled brats who want everything for nothing and are unwilling to accept responsibility for themselves. Isn't that EXACTLY what many at the the big Wall St. financials did? When they realized their scam was going to unravel they set about selling toxic assests with NO regard for the ramifications to those they were selling to and so too, the economies of many countries. THEY FAILED to own their poor behavior! They failed to live up to their responsibilities. They "stomped around and threw their temper tantrums" to get their way. "No accountability! Not now! Not ever!"

What a pathetic and twisted joke that they now have their minions come here to attack us because we want things changed..

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

They also come to attack because we are being successful in uniting. We are becoming much more proactive and coordinated. I would be more concerned about the Occupy & 99% movements if they were not being attacked.

We are more than relevant we are in their face with reality and a needed call to justice.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 12 years ago

And if the ships captain (an employee of a corporation) drives the ship into a big rock sticking out of the water then all employees should pay the corporation for the damages. What goes around.

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[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 12 years ago

We need more handicap parking at WalMart and the Mall. 10,000 handicap parking in one lot is just not enough. We need someone to walk out to the mailbox and hand deliver my welfare check so I dont have to run out during commercials. Free cigarettes.Faster computer to down load porn. Larger tubs of ice cream and diet Coke.Put People Magazine online FREE so I can keep up with my favorite RICH movie stars and what they are wearing ( I love the Alex Baldwin commercials for American Express Cards). There you go,,, then work on some corporation crap that I have no idea what your worried about.

[-] 0 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 12 years ago

They claim occupiers are spoiled brats who want everything for nothing and are unwilling to accept responsibility for themselves. Isn't that EXACTLY what many at the the big Wall St. financials did? When they realized their scam was going to unravel they set about selling toxic assests with NO regard for the ramifications to those they were selling to and so too, the economies of many countries. THEY FAILED to own their poor behavior! They failed to live up to their responsibilities. They "stomped around and threw their temper tantrums" to get their way. "No accountability! Not now! Not ever!"

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 12 years ago

I was not affected. When I bought my house I read the contract and agreed to pay less than 25% of my monthly income toward a mortage. When the stock market crashed I listened to respected conservatives and did not sell at the bottom, rather, I bought more stocks when the market was well below 10,000 point and happy now. If you got burned you were an idiot.

[+] -12 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Lobby the government. Your voice is a vote. Petitioning is lobbying. The Peoples Lobby. Take part, take action.

Forward environmental change. Your participation can make a difference.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/keystone_sotu/?id=33678-4904244-%3Dxzka6x&t=7

187,506 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 9:48am central time 01/20/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures as of 01/20/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

Constitution of the United States of America.

Article I. section 8.

Section. 8.The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

[+] -14 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 12 years ago

9 points by riethc (712) 16 hours ago

Break up the banks! Demand Glass-Steagall! Make the Wall Street games illegal!