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Forum Post: Pushing Back Against Republican Lawlessness

Posted 5 months ago on Oct. 26, 2013, 2:54 p.m. EST by GirlFriday (21785)
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"The commissioners knew full well" they were flouting the court, Colas said, despite their cute argument that the word "unconstitutional" applied only to the specific plaintiffs in the case -- teachers in Madison and city workers in Milwaukee.

As John Matthews, executive director of Madison Teachers Inc., put it, Colas' decision "is one of the most important decisions not only in public-sector labor history, but also in democracy."

The principle here is simple. If a law is unconstitutional on its face, it's unconstitutional in every case. That has always been understood in Wisconsin courts. And, Judge Colas pointed out, the Walker officials understood it, too.

...By ignoring the courts, impugning judges' integrity and spreading the idea that individual judges' decisions don't carry any weight, the Walker administration has challenged the integrity of the legal system itself.

That's the path to the right-wing billionaires' dream of making Wisconsin a "right to work" state. Unions are so disenfranchised that workers decide it's not worth paying dues. Citizens are so cynical and intimidated they give up on the rule of law.

Part of the program is the "propaganda campaign to convince people that judges' decisions have no meaning," Pines says. "It's shocking to me that lawyers are not talking about this."

It's a glimmer, he says, of what it's like to live in an authoritarian regime.

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[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

This is what happens when WE DON'T VOTE!!

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[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

By ignoring the courts, impugning judges' integrity and spreading the idea that individual judges' decisions don't carry any weight, the Walker administration has challenged the integrity of the legal system itself.

Thus do we usher in the age of lawlessness. The one percent must be taught to rue that day.

IF that is what the one percent insists we all must have, then it is the obligation of the people to give it to them.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

And that's where I am at. The section that you are looking at is so vile and so extreme that they better make damn sure that this is what they desire.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

What I am and have been saying is that this behavior is widespread and in fact is party policy. They flout state and federal law when and as they please, when they do so it does impugn the whole judicial system, and it is because they begin with a world view or a perspective that stipulates the judicial system is and has already been impugned, they are, as they see it, well within their prerogatives to stack the courts with justices whom they know will see things their own way. That they have done, with the result of Citizens United.

Even the name is a mockery

I don't understand why more people don't get it. The fukers just shut down the government, and mainstream repelicans did not stop them. They are well beyond impugning the courts -

they are in the process of impugning the federal government, it is an orchestrated campaign, and one their candidates IN FACT do run on.

I don't see elections solving this issue. No one has stood up, verbally spanked the network of people who have brought this about, while some of them had car accidents, went to jail, or whatever.

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And this is the important part - without some concrete incentive for repelicans to discontinue this behavior, it will continue. There can be no question about that. It feeds their ego, and it adds to the campaign upon which they have stood for quite some time -- they will not stop unless or untill they have everything they think they are looking for

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So in the absence of leadership that clearly denounces this behavior coupled with other and very concrete disincentives, the people must get in the streets and agitate in the hope that they may force a correction.

OWS could have and began doing that. The push back has been largely successful, the organization is certainly no where near national coherence that it promised in the early days.

The final option is not pretty - but it is either that, or accept the loss of our democratic republic to autocracy.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

What we need to see is attorney's and judges come forward and say, "Pfftt..........aw hell no."

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

unfortunately that isn't happening.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

Nope. And where I have come across it, not near enough was said either by the media or anyone with enough power to make it clear that it wasn't going to happen.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

exactly

At this point this is much more complicated to correct than McCarthyism ever was.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

lol

And apparently even that wasn't done well enough as Cruz just kind of slithered right in as a reincarnated version.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

wasn't meant to be funny - it lasted four years and ruined numerous lives.

Inside Job shows the effort to stack the Supreme Court goes back decades.

This process has been bearing fruit for several decades now, and thanks to Citizens United it appears those behind all of this are now getting very bold.

It's far bigger than McCarthyism ever was, gone on far longer, the damage done to the people, to the nation, to our international reputation, is far far greater than McCarthyism ever was, and it may not be possible at this point to close this chapter of American History without a good deal of blood shed.

Even if repelicans loose the house midterm, it becomes a brief set back and little more.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Hmmmmm the corp(se)oRATists shooting themselves again? I mean it is rare that the courts do them wrong - now instead of shutting up and doing their usual game of undermining the system behind closed doors - well - they may just have gone too far and pissed off the system a little bit.

[+] -4 points by drinkmorebrondo (3) 5 months ago

That bitch Friday, never shuts her pie hole here ...does she? She just keeps yappin...and yappin. That's what happens when you have no job,

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

U mad bro?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

Likely angry as well. {;-])

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 5 months ago

Yep.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

what's your excuse, H.arpie C.unt

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

F U !

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[+] -5 points by drinkmorebrondo (3) 5 months ago

Wisconsin wants FREE CHOICE, and not a gun to your head to force you to join a union. Probably because many workers do not want their dues supporting democrat candidates and laws they oppose. Unions...nothing more than a money laundering scheme for the democrat party.

[-] 5 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

My grandfather was a union organizer. I'm sure he knew his history.

Make no mistake, I don't see unions as any excuse to oppress. But as tools against oppression they have been indispensable.

And we can return to killing any time you like.

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[+] -4 points by drinkmorebrondo (3) 5 months ago

Sorry...unions not oppressed...they are political tools to pass liberal agendas and elect democrats. Nothing more.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

put the crack pipe down, and perhaps your reading comprehension will improve. Or just stop breathing. Either is fine with me.

[+] -4 points by drinkmorebrondo (3) 5 months ago

Truth hurts. Deal with the reality. Unions and the thugs behind them are an arm of the democrat party. Funny though, that they oppose Obamacare and want to be exempted from it. Even they know the village idiot Obama has no fucking clue what he is doing.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20601) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

too bad for you - repelican spin just won't sell at the union hall. bummer. I'm confident the members are free to vote however they like - people like you make it clear where their own interests lie.

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[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

people are not supposed to talk about their income at work>

why?

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

Why do you think?

[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

because the manager wants control of the money with out discussion

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

yep. especially for women

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

no

the rule applies to the general public

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

For the same reason they don't have people line up and congregate at foodstamp and UI offices, out of sight, out of mind!

[+] -5 points by oktoberchill (-3) 5 months ago

ok WILFRED....give us the feminist view

[-] 2 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

And why the fuck not?

[+] -4 points by oktoberchill (-3) 5 months ago

excuse my ignorance, but WHAT??? You just claimed to speak for women, so I was asking for YOUR feminist view. With baited breath, being a female myself and doubting you have the plumbing but believing you are a weak sob

[-] 3 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

NO excuses! You're Fired!

[+] -5 points by oktoberchill (-3) 5 months ago

OK. later, I have avoided insultfests on this forum since it started and you are not even a challenge/.fun

[-] 3 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

buh bye

[-] 1 points by WSmith (5271) from Cornelius, OR 5 months ago

It's hard and repulsive to even imagine the rapacious maggoty confusion going on in your head-quarters, so let's just say YOUR COMPLETELY WRONG!!

And so it would be equally amazing if you knew it, or didn't. YUK!

get help

[-] 0 points by gameon (-51) 5 months ago

You're correct.