Forum Post: Protesting is not enough. It is not a solution.
Posted 11 years ago on June 21, 2012, 6:01 p.m. EST by rickMoss
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If we continue with nonsense the results will reflect it.
“Be Smart!” - FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM
U.S. Citizens Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( http://revolution2.osixs.org )
Non U.S. Citizens Read “Common Sense 3.2” at ( http://SaveTheWorldNow.osixs.org )
Do you know what real freedom is? http://WeAreFree.osixs.org We don’t have to live like this anymore.
it is fun to get out and make noise
Couldn't agree more! "MASS NON-COMPLIANCE" has to start soon, or we are DONE FOR! Non-compliance has always been the best weapon in protests throughout history. We need to start this NOW! Before someone gets hurt. Non-compliance is the safest and also the most effective form of protest.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/backdoor-talks-on-trans-pacific-trade-deal-aim-to-/#comment-768628
More "MASS NON-COMPLIANCE" methods, listed by Oath Keepers
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oath-keepers-potentially-most-lethal
We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.
We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.
We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.
We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.
We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."
We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.
We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
We need way more of these people!
BetsyRoss2 said:
I like the part of this plan that mentions the online veto system. Too many Americans are voting for specific people, or for one issue than for what they really want. In fact, I bet most Americans are not completely happy with either candidate for POTUS. Neither one is going to perfectly align with what the majority of 300,000,000 people want, but the people begrudgingly have to pick the one that they feel matches their interests the most.
Ex: Romney sucks because he seems to care more about money than actual human beings. He's also been caught lying multiple times, and has been accused of a few bouts of inhumanity. Obama signed NDAA, didn't bring the troops home as fast as we wanted, and has bowed to extreme fiscal policy in order to get bills to even pass. In other words, both choices suck.
If we had direct democracy veto power, the people could elect, say, Paul to POTUS, and then when he tries to declare war on Whothefuckknowsistan we can use our veto power to stop that action. This seems like a fair way to exercise our power over having to wait four years and hoping that TV ads and unlimited corporate money doesn't move too many zombie citizens to vote against their interests, or too many people aren't distracted by a wedge issue to vote out the warmonger. We'd get to vote in whoever would match up with most or our wants and then correct them when they do the one or two things that we don't want.
I wanted to re-post this because Betsy makes some great points here.
Or we could Occupy the Democratic Party like the Paulies did the Republican party then meet in the middle.
What's being discussed here is a change in the structure of government; and addressing the ISSUES independently, instead of relying on the PARTIES to guide us and to tell us what to think. Trying to fix a corrupt system; within that same corrupt system, is fruitless. Go here to learn more:
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-sense-31-summarydiscussion/
That would require armed revolution. The thing about our system is that if you have enough to be successful with a revolution then you have enough votes to change it by peaceful means. If you don't have enough support to take over a local and state political party you don't have enough to do much of anything. Look what Texas just did. They put decriminalization of marijuana on the state Democratic Party Platform.
NO - It would NOT require armed revolution. It would just require the majority of Americans to declare "ENOUGH" and to fire the present government and install a new one. If you read the plan, it explains HOW to get there WITHOUT violence!
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
.................. certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Declaration of Independence
That document was a declaration of war. I suggest we learn how to work the system we have before we try to create a new one. Just sayin.
I'm in my upper 50's and have waited all of my life for the system to start representing most Americans, while it's only gotten progressively worse. The corruption that runs through corporations into government; leaves us with the 1% being represented, and inequality at an all time high and things are coming to a head. Our congress is bought and paid for. Our civil rights are being stripped from us in a methodical fashion. Trying to work the system we have now, is like asking the Mafia to keep their gangsters under control. Ain't gonna happen. If you don't think war hasn't been declared on the middle class; I don't know where you've been. It's either time to stand up for yourself, or bow to your masters.
"Unless the mass retains sufficient control over those entrusted with the powers of their government, these will be perverted to their own oppression, and to the perpetuation of wealth and power in the individuals and their families selected for the trust. Whether our Constitution has hit on the exact degree of control necessary, is yet under experiment." --Thomas Jefferson
You were born when the last war on the middle class started. Or came of age, let's say. It all started with Reagan. We had just come out of a revolution period where the 1% broke the economy and the people took the country back. This should have been the next big one but we were a few votes short. This is a long war. Goes back to the dawn of civilization. The upper class is always fighting the Class War, but the lower class gets complacent until it gets out of hand. Pick your revolution. ;p
language
war means killing people
So you think people aren't dying because of the war on the middle class? The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are good examples. The middle class pays for them; fights them; and DIES in them while the 1% profits from them. Many other examples too. You must be in a good place if you can't see it.
A result of the "war" on language. The last declared war was WWII. Consider these words and how their meanings have been abused and changed. Liberal, entitled, socialism, communism, fascism. Consider what they call the War on Christmas, War on Religion, War on Terror, Culture War. I have started misusing it "in their face" on hopes they might see how silly it is. https://www.facebook.com/WarOnWages
I hear calls for math and science education but never any call for more government education
Five states (Alabama, Arizona, California, Idaho and New York) require students to take a senior year "capstone" civics or government course. Civic education advocates such as the Center for Civic Education see such capstone courses as a positive way to synthesize and strengthen students' civic lessons.
http://www.cived.net/req_guid.html
We used to get Civics course every few years starting in grade school. Who stopped that? I had the Issues/Education committee in Occupy Little Rock. It was and is still a huge job. Everyone is brainwashed by the propaganda to various degrees. The 1% throws out some anti-Obama thing and people tend to eat it up. Nothing seems to be quite as bad as Social Security. I had a guy running for State Senate, in my district, ask me to meet with him to explain Social Security. A Republican. Eeek. But you gotta love folks that know they are ignorant of something and are willing to learn.
social security is la retirement system for workers
Social Security is old age and disability insurance. It is not a retirement plan.
all become disabled with time
Considering the fact that the police, military, and various other agencies and orgs are still in the employ of the government, can you suggest a way to implement your suggestions peacefully?
First let me say that if you contend that this can't be done; you've already conceded defeat, and predetermined the outcome. We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather-bed and it won't be easy..... but it will be worth it.
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_commonsense.aspx
http://focus.osixs.org/commonsense.aspx
http://osixs.org/Vote.aspx
When enough people learn that they have another choice other than democrats and republicans, they will choose it. No one chooses slavery when they "know" they have a choice. This petition will help raise awareness and track our progress. Spread the news and the word. We don’t have to live like this anymore!
http://osixs.org/JoinUs.aspx
Tell the world about Common Sense3.1/3.2, Revolution 2.0 and DDT This is not a sipping tea party where we march around carrying silly signs. Our job is to let every citizen know they have a real choice and a process to take their country back in order to repair, rebuild and enhance it . Send emails, flyers or whatever you have to do to contact as many people as possible.
Start a Meet-up group and get others involved with you.
http://www.meetup.com/
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_Declaration.aspx
http://osixs.org/Rev2_menu_Execution.aspx
If we allow things to carry on as they have, we will simply get more of the same and it WILL get worse. You can't start a fire without a spark. An idea. A solution. Our goal is to spread the idea to as many people as we can; let them decide for themselves, and then move on and tell more people.
As far as the police, military, and other agencies; bear in mind that although they are employed by government, over and above that, they too are American citizens and are affected by the corruption that permeates our current system.
The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. ~Albert Einstein~
I asked for a suggestion. Thankyou for your response.