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Forum Post: Progressive Young Turks - Drone Strikes - Is Rand Paul a Constitutional Hero?

Posted 1 year ago on March 7, 2013, 6:26 p.m. EST by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA
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Many of the people down voting me like crazy earlier should watch this one and take some notes from a real progressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qoWy7wnucXY#!

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[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

John Brennan oversaw the torture programs under the Bush administration. He also is involved in the kill list program. And he thinks the drone program has no borders. He has also lied repeatedly about the drone program as well.

Warmongers should not be put into positions of power.

[-] -1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Progressive "Young Turks"????

Anyone who knows what "Young Turks" reffers to will know what an oxymoron this is, and that using the words in this context is intended to confuse people as to the actual meaning "Young Turk" has in American politics.

A "Young Turk" is a "Neo-Con.

Neo-Cons are not progressive.

Sorry Neo-Con-John.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Actually, the original Young Turks were a revolutionary group in early 20th century Turkey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks

As a masonic secret society, I think they were radical, revolutionary atheists, along the lines of the French Grand Orient masonic lodge. As a secret society, they are thought to have been controlled by financial networks and were employed to overturn a regime that was not sufficiently responsive to the demands of the financiers.

From what I've heard, the neocons are supposed to represent the radical, atheistic Zionist contingent. Perhaps this suggests why they adopted the name "Young Turks".

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Interesting. I think we inadvertantly ran into a historical narrative that would be interesting to follow up. " Young Turk "seems to be an expression with a thread in political history that I at least wasn't fully aware of.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, look into it on google. I think most people don't realize the role of secret societies sponsored by globalist financial networks in overthrowing targeted establishments.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

I will look into it.

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

you don't know who Cenk Uygur is?

Talk show host...he's Turkish...started the internet news show "Young Turks". He's progressive. Has some great information that gets brought forward through his show. Check him out he's pretty good.

Yes, I must be a neocon because i'm sitting here arguing against increase authority to the president and military....that's exactly what a neocon would do.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Not until a little while ago. The name "Young Turks" is loaded and therefore confusing in this context, at least to me.

Did you know that "Young Turks" was what the first ivy league Neo-Cons called themselves?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You have done well at distracting from the topic of this post.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

How so?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Trying to sully the name of the Young Turks program is distracting, and had nothing to do with anything mentioned in this post.

If anything you should have pointed out Rand's voting history that doesn't make him a constitutional hero. Because he isn't. Nor is he anyone who should be praised. However, on this topic he is correct, and sadly there isn't really anyone around in congress to back up the fact that you can't indefinitely detain nor assassinate American citizens.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

I agree that in this case he is correct, and also that he isn't a Constitutional Hero.

I was simply seeking clairification here, and you seem to want to make a cardinal case out of it.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Not a cardinal case. I just happen to like the Young Turks program, so I was a little offended by your remarks suggesting guilt by association. There have been times where I disagree with Cenk, but overall I like the program.

No harm, no foul.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

No I didn't...I can see how that would throw someone though...should have used his name in the title.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

I'm sorry, TM just accused me of trying to distract the topic of the post. That was not my intention. I just found this (wow I guess really strange coincidence of terms) confusing.

I now have clairification, thanks.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

No worries...you didn't know.

[-] -1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

do you have any sources to back up that claim?

Don't forget that the term goes way beyond whatever claim you just laid out. Back to the early 1900's and it had nothing to do with the USA.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Isn't Cenk Uygar a young turk?

http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

I don't know. Bill Buckley (wretch) was a Young Turk. He's the poster boy for everything this movement opposes.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Okay, I'm not up with that.

I do enjoy Cenk's Young Turks program.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Wow, how strange they would call themselves "The Young Turks."

I'll have to check this out.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

You should also look at the origin of the term, because it did not start based on some neocons. And your claim has nothing to do with the program with Cenk who heavily supports the OWS movement.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

I get you TM. It seems to me you are making a lot of what was just my confusion over political terms. The "Young Turks" of Bill Buckely Neo-Con infamy are not exactly ancient history. They were the ones that started the very mess we are now trying to rectify.

In a case like that I simply want to understand what's at issue, exactly.

[-] -2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the corporate takeover was definitely started before Buckley was born, but his ideas definitely could have played a factor in idiotic beliefs that have further corrupted the system. Like those of Ayn Rand and her impact on monetary policy overseen by Greenspan, a heavy Randian follower who gave out trillions to banksters so he could have fun parties to hang out at on the weekends.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

Yes, Buckley really was the "inspiration" for the modern Neo-Con movement, and so the name Young Turks has always been a red flag for me. I just Hated Bill Buckley.

Anyway, I'll quit distracing from the post here. I do believe in this particular case Paul was justified in his filibuster.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

He really is a Young Turk.

Very outspoken free-speech news station.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 1 year ago

That is very interesting. I don't see the connection here to Rand Paul however.

Rand Paul would, I think, have more in common with Bill Buckley.