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Forum Post: Physical Evidence Again Outpaces Latest IPCC Report

Posted 4 months ago on May 12, 2014, 9:57 p.m. EST by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT
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"It's bad news. It's a game changer," said Ted Scambos, lead scientist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center, who wasn't part of either study. "We thought we had a while to wait and see. We've started down a process that we always said was the biggest worry and biggest risk from West Antarctica."

The Rignot study sees eventually 4 feet (1.2 meters) of sea level rise from the melt. But it could trigger neighboring ice sheet loss that could mean a total of 10 to 12 feet of sea level rise, the study in Science said, and Rignot agreed.

The HuffPost has a very similar article. The NYT provides a little more detail.

In essence the potential meaning of this new data appears to me to be downplayed - it isn't clear from these reports whether the scientific evidence supports as much as 4 feet of increased sea level by 2100, or perhaps 8 feet in that time period. The high end these articles all reference is 12 feet, extended out centuries.

Which is nonsense. For the last several years it has been clear that the pace of Global Warming is occurring faster than expected. And most lately the signal from nature confirming our habit of underestimation has become louder and more frequent.

The geological record does not clearly indicate how quickly the seas may rise. The NYT reports:

Research published in 2012 found that a rise of less than four feet would inundate land on which some 3.7 million Americans live today. Miami, New Orleans, New York and Boston are all highly vulnerable.

Miami is already feeling the heat By 2050, it is certain all four cities will experience the pressure - if not confront an actual mass exodus.

The Repelican Party of Liars Must Pay


The next time you find a Global Warming denialist, you might refer them to this 90 second video:

I originally found it at the WashP but that article makes two serious errors: 1. it tends to place the blame on the rest of the world, noting we seem to have cut our emissions; and 2. it suggests that we may yet somehow remain below 2 C increase in global temp by mid century.

  1. The U.S. fossil fuel industry is doing all in their power, and quite successfully, to stifle innovation and slow the transition from fossil fuels, and it must be acknowledged that this will have a global impact on any carbon budget goals. If we could get the Kochtopus out of the way we might bring innovative new technology to the global market much sooner.

  2. National Geographic - Scientists: Global Warming Likely to Surpass 2°C Target


Though 2C is the only international climate change limit agreed on, the latest research shows it is certain catastrophe for humanity. Indeed the 2007 AR4 IPCC assessment clearly showed 2C catastrophic for billions of people and ecosystems and species.

For many years it has been fairly obvious from the climate change assessments that 1C is the safety limit for global warming and ​2C amounts to ​the worst ever crime against humanity. Even the origin of 2C shows it to be far beyond a planetary safety limit for our future climate.

It is not generally appreciated that 2C refers to the equilibrium warming, which is up to double the realized/transient ​warming at the time of atmospheric GHG stabilization. To be sure of the global temperature stabilizing at 2C, warming has to be limited to 1C by 2100, so our 2100 limit is 1C how ever we look at it. 2C by 2100 is certain total catastrophe because at it will become 4C over the very long term . . .



Excerpt from the National Geographic article - Scientists: Global Warming Likely to Surpass 2°C Target

. . . retired NASA climate scientist James Hansen and a group of colleagues wrote in December the 2°C target was not stringent enough, and "so dangerous" as to be "foolhardy." At that level, the world risked initiating feedbacks in the climate system, such as the melting of ice sheet area, that could trigger irreversible warming out of humanity's control.

And so here we are, with an average global temp about .85C or 1.53F above the1880 average, and we are now witnessing exactly that which was expressed by Hansen - the potential of run away climate change.

This is only the beginning.



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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Add your name to the petition now to make sure Pat Sajak pays the price for his offensive tweet. =

"I now believe global warming alarmists are unpatriotic racists knowingly misleading for their own ends. Good night." -Pat Sajak (@patsajak) May 20, 2014

My reply ( tweet as well as signature ) :

@patsajak = 2 th wheel-man - U R not only an idiot - U R an uneducated bigot! Climate change and toxic pollution R real. Get a Clue nabob!

[-] 6 points by Nevada1 (4651) 4 months ago


[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Good Deal - also - I figured that you would forward the good cause {:-])

Public figures "celebrities(?)" should be slapped down ASAP when they spew BS ! How else are they gonna learn? They obviously missed out on quite a bit of education growing up.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4651) 4 months ago

Well Said

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

I hear that Fat Sajak 1st blew off the angry responses he got on twitter - now though I am hearing that he has started to backpedal. I don't know what position he is taking now - but I figure that he may have decided that poking the hornets nest ( his analogy ) was not very smart. I hope the fire storm of protest to his BS intensifies. Get "ALL" idiots off of the public airwaves.

Also: @RushLimpballs - I hope your days remaining on the air will come to a permanent end real soon - perhaps you and Fat Sajak will meet in the unemployment line?

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4651) 3 months ago

Hey DKA,

The deeply ingrained Hatefulness &Selfishness on the part these people, hits new lows.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Hey #1

  • I know - Right? I mean WTF is wrong with these people - I saw ( ha ha - well not funny I guess - but ) on the spews last night that a Fux anchor got arrested for breaking a sobriety condition ( parole of some sort - Hey? ) - I wonder if his addiction has anything to do with feeling like shit about the work (?) he does.
[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4651) 3 months ago

Good Question.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Gotta figure that some of those hired assholes have got to have some sort of a conscience and MUST feel like crap for the shit they spew on script ( if they aren't brain dead anyway ) for a nice load of cash.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4651) 3 months ago

Have thought about this issue a lot. Wondering, how many would love to be able to relay the truth, but live in fear of TPTB.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Hmmmmm - retirement exposées ? Book deals? More money for venting after their danger of losing work has passed?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

1 in 10? More? Fewer? Well any with any sort of belief in God anyway or a family that they love and realize are gonna suffer and are at risk to the same things they are paid to deny/put-down.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4651) 3 months ago

We The People, must get the Truth Out.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Absolutely - and to do that I think it helps to slap down "notable in the public spotlight assholes" openly/intensely - the twitter thing is nice because it starts a buzz going about = Hey did you see what Fat Sajak said? and the fire storm of protest he garnered because of it? The more actions like that the better - I think.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4651) 3 months ago

Exactly. These "notable in the public spotlight assholes" will learn, that the World is not their Comfort Zone.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

[EDIT ] And "REALLY" all that is required is "even minimal public involvement" - involvement enough to speak-out and say "NO" NO MORE stop lying to us - because WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU - You should be ashamed of yourself and you should lose your job/position/office - BECAUSE - of your lies/falsehood. Just that - a little public outrage "expressed" and "held to" = backed-up by shunning the individuals and their employers.

Edit -> Well it would also take the public being consistent as well as immediate in communicating outrage/anger/displeasure.


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

I also sent out another tweet = ( sigh - 140 characters is "SO" limiting )

@PatSajak - Who R U being "Patriotic" to?

Charlie & Davie Koch? BP? Exonn? Halliburton?

Why? What's patriotic about supporting pollution?


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Here's a follow-up:

This is a teachable moment for Pat Sajak.

After tweeting that those who believe in climate change are "unpatriotic racists," Sajak felt the heat and tried to walk back his offensive tweet claiming it was "parody."

Even as wildfires rage across California, where he works and resides, he thinks it's ok to joke about and deny the existence of climate change. That's why we're switching tactics: Instead of demanding he be fired, we challenge Pat Sajak to visit a community, near his part-time home in Maryland, that's felt the impact of climate change.

Tweet @PatSajak and challenge him to see that there's nothing funny about climate change.

Sajak's already felt our power this week, and now want him to witness firsthand that climate change is nothing to deny — or "parody." By holding public figures like Sajak accountable for their remarks, we deepen the public's understanding of the science and impact of climate change — a critical step if we want action from politicians.

Let's keep the heat on Sajak this week and challenge him to face the realities of climate change — tweet @PatSajak and challenge him to witness firsthand how funny climate change isn't.

Factually yours,

Emily, Ryan, Brant, Sylvie, and the rest of the Forecast the Facts team


"Wheel of Fortune Host Pat Sajak Backtracks From Climate-Change Tweet," Time, 5-22-14 http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/741?t=6&akid=449.92259.HGINEh

Pat Sajak, Twitter, 5-21-14 http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/740?t=8&akid=449.92259.HGINEh

Forecast the Facts is a grassroots organization that empowers people to fight climate change denial and promote accurate information about the climate crisis. You can follow us on Twitter, and like us on Facebook. Help us end climate denial once and for all by contributing here.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

That comment was a +2 now it's a +1?

Someone here quietly defending Fat Sajak?

Don't ya think it's time Vanna got to host?

She could have some guy in fancy evening suits flipping the letters - Hey?

Equal opportunity in the workplace!


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

It's not "really" that big of a WTF moment - I mean we are talking lame stream media distraction ( umm entertainment ? ) for the masses and their paid shill ( I mean Host ) - Heh.


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28249) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

not from the regular networks.

[ Edit ] Why not? Do they use laxatives? Cause quite often "all" lame stream media puts out plenty of BS.

OH - wait - is that what the laxatives are for? So that the other lame stream medias get it all out in one major sloppy load on a more random basis - rather than in a daily day long push/pinch/squeeze?

EDIT -> OOOps that "push/pinch/squeeze" wouldn't describe Fux Spews either - cause "they" have a case of perpetual/nonstop/firehose velocity and volume Diarrhea.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

As of a couple of days ago, a new report on Greenland.


I wonder if the report has slowed down oil exploration, in the waters around the island?



[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

The nihilists may finally get their way.

LOL Florida. I kept asking about Gov. Scott and was ignored.


If you simply must go, don't go during hurricane season.


[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

Should I mention that ALEC has been on the case?


Not to mention the others I've posted.

What a wonderful accomplishment it would be for OWS, to find ways to stop the institutionalizing of this kind of anti-science rhetoric. At the very least, to stop it from being taught in our schools.

Or would doing that be considered partisan?






[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

Meanwhile, out in Oklahoma.


it's just "hyperbole"

Can we fire their linguistics guy?