Forum Post: OWS=Problems. Freedom & Rights = Solutions-All the nwo and PTB have to do is keep the masses from agreeing on a real solution.
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 22, 2012, 4:40 p.m. EST by rayolite
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You not posting here = part of the problem
Look what an environmentalist is doing here while there is mass posting of problems burying solution.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/environmentalist-are-the-greates-people-on-this-pl/#comment-649434
This is a solitary example. Many other legal, peaceful and valid effective solutions are buried here too.
BTW, cognitive infiltrators. If you try to use this strategy here to misdirect people we who care about the constitution and having a lawful government-solution (140 years without sucks!) we are going to "dislike" you VERY MUCH.
the threads burying yours are from someone who is keeping threads suppressed by creating filler threads, then bitching that there is no organisation. This is being done to make the forum look bad but in truth, it's caused by one individual with many user accounts.
You not posting here = part of the problem
Credible. Why doesn't admin have priorities in limiting the "problem" threads is the question then.
You not posting here = part of the problem
You're right rayolite. I've noticed the same thing many times. We have lost several good problem solvers on this forum.
In the earlier days of this forum, I saw so many brilliant ideas, some in their infancy and others were well thought out with plans and links to websites. There is hardly any of that here any more.
I remember thinking "geez, there are people in our public that have a much better understanding of what needs to be done in government than the nuts in Washington". The public has been gravely underestimated, in my view. This realization by the PTB, that we the people are far more intelligent than they thought is a huge fear for the PTB, hence the burying of solutions.
Invariably....and systematically, I believe, each idea and/or poster was quickly latched onto, almost violently at times, and discredited or hounded until they just stopped posting. Thank goodness there are still a few thick skinned people that, to their credit, have stayed despite the attacks.
So, the question remains......what to do? One of the possibilities is to convince our best people and problem solvers to go to another site that is set up in a way that is more conducive to solutions.
You not posting here = part of the problem
Rennaye-- "So, the question remains......what to do? One of the possibilities is to convince our best people and problem solvers to go to another site that is set up in a way that is more conducive to solutions."
Yes, and I've been looking for such a place. It appears that the problem solvers, or those willing to analyze proposed solutions for their veracity are also subject to social image bias. This is an unconscious feature, but it can be understood.
Social image bias works by the individual being conditioned to think that large numbers of people rather than correct thinking are what creates change. Large numbers of course help, but change will never happen without real strategy that is well founded in the dominant social contract.
OWS has no overt founding in the dominant social contract so therefore cannot create change, or even propose it competently. I've seen here numerous posters discussing Article V, which is a prime aspect of the dominant social contract. One post had a link to a petition that was saved,
http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-are-ready-to-amend-petition-in-support-of-ameri/
In that post is a link to a forum dedicated to Article V.
http://articlevconvention.org
I'm not sure that OWS protestors know that "wants" are separate from "needs". The reason for that is that the demand of OWS are presented as wants more than needs because if they were acknowledged as needs, there would also be an urgency to see the demands met. Meaning that the dominant social contract, the constitution and its rights used by OWS extensively, would be acknowledge as a necessary thing to engage.
Logically, proposing change without tend to discard it, wherepon OWS opposes most of America without saying so. In fact as close as it gets is asking Congress to amend, and from what I'm reading at that link, Congress is not, and has not been constitutional. Logically OWS is siding in 2 ways with the unconstitutional, lawless entities they ostensibley protest agains.
It's a psyops. I guess we can expect this, and, if we are to have freedom in our future, use reason where reason can be used to identify solution, then later, worry about the large numbers of followers to actually create change using solution rather that the "filler" concept that richardkentgates describes.
You not posting here = part of the problem
It kept jumping out at me, the entire forum is all problem based posting. No real solutions.
THEN I realized all the nwo/PTB has to do to prevail and destroy the economy, then enslave us, is to keep us from discussing the solution. If we start discussing and agreeing on the solution, then citiznes will start to understand what works.
richardkentgates is right. 90%+ of the threads are posted by a few people with many usernames working to push the solution based thread into the nethers. The way the forum is set up going back and finding a thread does not work. If a person does not have the url of the thread with the solution, and no one posts in it while they are watching the forum, they'll never see it again.
You not posting here = part of the problem
I wish we could up/down vote entire threads, instead of just individual posts. We would still have the multiple accounts problem (until the admin starts IP banning that fool) but at least we could easily "dislike" a troll or off-topic thread without having to "bump" it.
We could really use some sticky threads too, to highlight the best ideas that spring up on here...
You not posting here = part of the problem
Good ideas that would go a long ways towards informing people about solutions. Having been following what appears by all evidence to be a real solution, I've learned that indeed, the reason your suggestions are not already implimented is that there may be connections between the CIA, NYPD and OWS. Here is shown a very ambigous response from the CIA relating to domestic surviellance.
http://www.justiceonline.org/videos/
Too ambigous. We are being tested.
The proposals for preparatory amendment creating maximum constitutional intent for Article V, which it is I that have been posting that link to the forum dedicated to the solution,
http://articlevconvention.org
Have a suggestion for a new type of forum software that empowers users to graphicaly sort the thread posts, and the forum itself. Always keeping the the most important post at the top of the thread and the most important thread at the top of the forum. There's a pdf you can download with a detailked description.
http://algoxy.com/poly/poll_to_post.html
Imagine that as a tool for consumer affairs discussion. Now imagine selling advertising for the second best after everyone decides what is best, for very good reason. Some software developer ought to take this on.