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Forum Post: OWS ~ On Corporatism, Uniting the 99% & Cleaning up our Act

Posted 1 year ago on June 14, 2013, 6:01 p.m. EST by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

  • Currently this site; OWS in many ways is becoming more and more divided ....

  • Why ? ... we all have a common goal ~ to "Get the money out of politics"...

  • Yet it appears that many of us have different opinions of how to do that....

  • Personally... I first call myself a Buddhist & an Independent ....

  • And if I was to consider a political affiliation ... I would lean towards ... being a "Progressive" .... however I do believe that I am more Independent than that ....

  • In the last general election... I widely & publicly supported Obama & the democrats....

  • not that I think that most of them are not part of the corporatist effort ... but that I believed that fewer of them were than their electable opposition ....

  • Now is the time to unite....

  • Now is the time to move forward....

  • We need to stop calling each-other & ourselves Republicans or Democrats ....

  • Now is the time to remove from office All corporatist's whether Republican or Democrat....

  • We need to stop affiliating one party as this and one party as that.....

  • Alec is NOT Republican, it is Corporaltist ....

  • The Koch's "Tea Party" is NOT Republican, it is Corporaltist ....

  • We need to Identify and be explicit of who our opposition is....

  • Imo... it is "Corporatism" ....

  • please... we need to stop dividing ourselves over party affiliation....

  • we need to be a united 99%....

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[-] 3 points by jollyholly (-15) 1 year ago

Great post BradB. I agree we should strive to create unity, the 99%. This was one of the main goals of Occupy from the start and should remain high on our list of things to do.

You're right, what we want to do is attack capitalism, corporatism. Occupy shouldn't get bogged down with partisan issues that only separate us into right and left wing labels. This protest is not about supporting the democrats, nor the republicans, nor any other party. It's about fighting corruption, greed, corporatism. These are things that affect people from all walks of life, from all political affiliations.

If we could get back to concentrating on the main goals of Occupy, we could build a strong coalition of the 99%, and perhaps gets things moving in the right direction again.

Again, great post.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1188) 1 month ago

"Its not left vs right, its us vs them"...

That theme is what exploded Occupy, and why "them" shut it all down.

[-] 2 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

We talk about uniting. Some of the posts below are talking about not creating splintering. That is all good. We need to unite.. But what about uniting with some of the 1%. I mean like not all of the 1% is bad. I'd say at least half of the 1% are against corruption and bad capitalism just like a good part of the 99%. Besides we could use their help. Why create the split between us and them. Is it because the corrupt 1% don't want us good 99% getting together with the good 1%? Shouldn't the split really be made along the line of good and bad? We good need to be united 100%.

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

I agree.... in concept...

  • In the early days here... there were many posts by some who claimed that they were of the 1%, and they wanted to know why we hated them....

  • and those that were honest and respectful .... received honest and respectful answers.... those that were not were told to go F themselves...

  • anyway, a few actually agreed... and a few changed their initial opinions....

  • but back then we were talking specific issues... not partisan garbage...

  • and there was progress.... there still is .... it's just much harder to find it...

[-] 0 points by jollyholly (-15) 1 year ago

The 99% vs the 1% is just a metaphor. There are corrupted people in the 1%, and some in the 99%. Occupy is against capitalism and corruption in politics. It accepts anyone which wants to fight these things, no matter how much money they make. Don't take the 99% vs the 1% too literally. It's a tag line.

I personally don't like that artificial division, because it's normal that in a capitalist system some people get really rich. I have nothing against those who do this legally. It's part of the possibilities of the system in place. I respect a 1%er who does things by the book, and I don't respect a 99% who does corruption no matter how poor he is. But yeah, we have this tag line and it's not going to disappear. Just don't take it at face value.

We need to get passed all the artificial divisions at get back to the core problems that unite us all.

[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 1 year ago

Yes totally agree, but does everybody else understand that?

If I were a good honest 1%er, I'd too feel a little threatened by the tag line, or by those who read too much into the tag line. Maybe we need to clarify the tag line?

[-] -3 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

The problem with Occupy as I see it is they are radical and people don't like radicals.

This country was divided by Obama - prior to his election you never heard any such divide about the evil rich and wealthy and those who despise the "evil rich and wealthy.

Obama planted the seed for his own benefit - he wants to go down in History as the first Black two term president - that's all he's concerned about.

And now the people are waking up to finally realize that. Have any of you looked at the post on this site about the Black Panthers condemning Obama? If you did, you will soon understand.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Don't kid yourself, I would have smacked the shit out of your right wing ass with or without Obama.

[-] -1 points by mercury (-41) 1 year ago

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A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

mercury said 1 minute ago at June 16, 2013, 9:22 p.m. EST (delete)

Somebody has to put you in your place when you start trying to be tough. I have lots of fans. Real people, not bots. We have a great time at your expense. I'll be back soon

GirlFriday said 4 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:18 p.m. EST (delete)

Zactly what I said. You came here to be a douche and you got kicked. Don't be a douche.

mercury said 5 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:17 p.m. EST (delete)

Huh? Stick to repeating yourself. When you go off book, it makes no sense. But always keep cursing. It shows the world you are a tough rebel who shouldn't be messed with

GirlFriday said 8 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:14 p.m. EST (delete)

Stop minimizing your shit.

mercury said 11 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:11 p.m. EST (delete)

You get me banned every time i come back at your "I'm a tough chick so listen to me curse" stupidity It must be the only power you have in your life, so naturally you abuse it. Thank god the rest of us have dm to make fun of your pathetic a$$

GirlFriday said 14 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:08 p.m. EST (delete)

I don't give a fuck. If you are oft banned there is a reason for it and it's probably because you are a piece of shit and to be honest, I'm tired of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

mercury said 16 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:06 p.m. EST (delete)

You got the wrong guy. Im just an oft banned poster who gets tired of your Internet tough guy crap, but there's always only been one of me

mercury said 4 days ago at June 12, 2013, 10:17 a.m. EST (delete)

No. That isn't quite the case.

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mercury said 1 minute ago at June 16, 2013, 9:22 p.m. EST (delete)

Somebody has to put you in your place when you start trying to be tough. I have lots of fans. Real people, not bots. We have a great time at your expense. I'll be back soon

GirlFriday said 4 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:18 p.m. EST (delete)

Zactly what I said. You came here to be a douche and you got kicked. Don't be a douche.

mercury said 5 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:17 p.m. EST (delete)

Huh? Stick to repeating yourself. When you go off book, it makes no sense. But always keep cursing. It shows the world you are a tough rebel who shouldn't be messed with

GirlFriday said 8 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:14 p.m. EST (delete)

Stop minimizing your shit.

mercury said 11 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:11 p.m. EST (delete)

You get me banned every time i come back at your "I'm a tough chick so listen to me curse" stupidity It must be the only power you have in your life, so naturally you abuse it. Thank god the rest of us have dm to make fun of your pathetic a$$

GirlFriday said 14 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:08 p.m. EST (delete)

I don't give a fuck. If you are oft banned there is a reason for it and it's probably because you are a piece of shit and to be honest, I'm tired of dealing with pieces of shit like you.

mercury said 16 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:06 p.m. EST (delete)

You got the wrong guy. Im just an oft banned poster who gets tired of your Internet tough guy crap, but there's always only been one of me

mercury said 4 days ago at June 12, 2013, 10:17 a.m. EST (delete)

No. That isn't quite the case.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

mercury said 2 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:51 p.m. EST (delete)

Stop it! You're scaring me so much!

On second thought, i'll bring it. Man vs machine. Human vs Fribot 3000.


Here, are you sure it isn't a miscommunication problem? Talk to GSW about colors and fortune cookie quotes.

I'm not afraid of you.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

GirlFriday said 0 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:49 p.m. EST (delete)

So, either bring your shit or shut the fuck up.

GirlFriday said 1 minute ago at June 16, 2013, 9:48 p.m. EST (delete)

It won't mother fucker.

mercury said 4 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:45 p.m. EST (delete)

We'll see if it gets better, if there's less profanity filled ravings about bots and socks or not


Let's roll.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

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mercury said 0 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:36 p.m. EST (delete)

People enjoy hearing you being told off. If you would just tone down your obnoxiousness, they wouldn't mind you so much

GirlFriday said 0 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:34 p.m. EST (delete)

I agree.

mercury said 0 minutes ago at June 16, 2013, 9:33 p.m. EST (delete)

Sweet! M You need to work on your copy and paste skills a little bit, but everyone should get a real kick out of that.


Is that better? Don't act like a douche.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, then Trashy bot.........it's time for you to go.

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[-] -2 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

Just goes to show what I just posted is true - you are an example of it - You along with a lot of others with that kind of attitude are the reason why Occupy is not going anywhere.

You may want to think Occupy has accomplished something, but compared to the Tea Party - Occupy is a "pimple on the ass" of Obama and that's where he wants Occupy you to be - just an annoyance.

Oh, yah, Occupy made the news when they were out there protesting just like the hippies did in the 60's - but the hippies are well remembered for what they accomplished and they had "stick too it ness"

Don't see that with Occupy - the vast majority don't have the "know how" when it comes to understanding how to change things but Occupy sure knows how to be "radical". That's why there is no support.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You don't get it. I would have smacked the shit out your right wing ass with or with out OWS.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28248) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I think that your perspective is flawed.

OWS/Occupy supporters ( SUPPORTERS ) have a fair consensus on many things - hence the actions and protests.

The divisiveness(?) of this site would be OWS/Occupy supporters rightfully kicking corp(se)oRATist shills in the ass.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

"Currently this site; OWS in many ways is becoming more and more divided"

  • Id say that OWS is becoming more Diverse. The wide range of opinions expressed on this site speaks to the universality of OWS.

"•Personally... I first call myself a Buddhist & an Independent"

  • A true Buddhist would call for the removal of material wealth from life and instead take a Middle Way.

"•We need to stop calling each-other & ourselves Republicans or Democrats"

  • We need to call eachother John and Jane and Joe. Call people by their name. Treat people like people. Like individuals. Get to know someone before you judge them. I critisice philosphies on this site and try to keep personal attacks to minimum (although there is a time and place for personal attacks).

"•we need to be a united 99%...."

We need to respect the rights of others to live thier own lives how they see fit. Solidarity and groupthink will only purge ideas, not create new ones. Creativity and innovation is needed now more than ever before. Learn from the mistakes of the past, dont repeat the mistakes of the past.

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

"Solidarity" in going up against an entrenched corrupt system is a good thing

Everything else in your comment, I agree with

~Odin~

[-] -3 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Solidarity is about getting everyone on the same page so that they can act in unison.

It is much easier to destroy a single monOlith than it would be to destroy 300 million monoliths.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

No...SOLIDARITY is about putting aside our differences....forming alliances for the greater good, which is bringing down this corrupt system that we all live under

~Odin~

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[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

A true Buddhist would call for the removal of material wealth from life

yep... well I looked in my inner being for a laptop, an internet connection, some cigs, flowers & a bottle of of whisky.... just had to bend the rules a bit ... ;)

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

I said that a Buddhist would Call for the removal of material wealth from life. I never said that it would or should be achievable.

People should do what they want and listen to themselves.

[-] 0 points by LilyMayesThorthon (0) 1 year ago

I agree individualism, creativity, etc... are important and groupthink is problematic. But I find your position reductionist and overly simplistic for a few reasons.

First, to create a society where individuality was encouraged over community, we would need to agree to this, or, at the very least, vote in majority for it. Quite ironic. The fact is, you need society's approval for the creation of this individualistic centered society. A catch 22.

Secondly, thinking in either/or fashion, in black and white, is much too simplistic. There will always be levels of individualism and communism in a society. It's always a combination of both. Sure one aspect can be encouraged over the other, but I can't imagine a society where one would be eliminated all together.

Let's take science, since it deals with reality. Scientists work individually, and in small groups to make discoveries. Creativity, individual imagination, etc... is welcomed and encouraged. That's why we have people like Richard Feynman who revolutionized Quantum Physics with his diagrams, Einstein with the counter-intuitive Theory of Relativity, etc... However, these people also rest upon prior discoveries, something they agree with. A sort of communal social understanding. Once an individual's theory is accepted, it becomes something social. There would be no way to progress quickly and efficiently if individual discoveries did not rest upon the shoulders of science accepted and taught by society. You'd have individuals constantly restarting from scratch.

You often disagree with StruggleForFreedom80's Libertarian Socialism, but it's not clear to me that this type of society would necessarily crush individuality. In any society, individuals must deal with other individuals, thus creating bonds in community. The only way to be truly individualistic is to be alone. The second you go out, buy stuff from other people, converse with other people, or do whatever else with other people, you need some common understandings, a common framework accepted by society.

In fact ssff80's Libertarian Socialism could be read to encourage individuality in the sense that it makes sure each individual is not controlled by another. That each individual can have an even starting point so that his individuality can blossom without being crushed by a person with greater power.

You're here on this forum because you need society. If you were truly individualistic, you would simply do your thing without worrying about other people at all. If you're here because you want to convince people to support a society based on individualism, then you are promoting group like acceptance of individualism, which is a form of groupthink.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Catch 22: I dont need society's approval to do as I please. I cannot and will not deny another person their Life, Liberty or Property and I expect that at least some other people would do the same.

Combination: Communism does not exist as Marx envisioned it would in any shape or form anywhere in today's world. The "communist" government of today's world are at best, bastardizations of Marx.

Science: One of the problems with Gen X and Gen Y is that we expect others to inspire us and to help us in achieving our goals. Einstien worked in a Patent office in Switzerland while formulating his famous theories. He did not expect that other people would even see them, but he knew he was Right.

Struggleforfreedom80: First of all, freedom is not a struggle of any, shape or form. Freedom is an entitlement that is afforded to all beings. FREEdom is Free. His "Libertarian Socialism", as he has made clear, puts the good of the group before the good of the individual. He wants mob rule through the democratic processes instead of rational decision making. I have seen plenty of people be completely alone while sitting in a room full of "friends" and "family". Being yourself has nothing to with being alone.

Libertarian Socialism: Democracy is nothing but majoritarian Mob rule. Right and Wrong are never determined in a democratic system. The most social get their way, while leaving those smrt enough to hold back to deal with what ever the whims of the Mob are whether they are right or wrong. Consensus decision making is the only way to go.

Society Forum: I am on here because of the faint hope that I might find some sanity in this world. I preach Spontaneous Non-Violent Individual Civil Disobedience. Gandhi said that the goal of a civil resister is to provoke a response; and that is exactly what I am doing here.

I dont want people to think like me. I want me to think like me.

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[+] -7 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Pay no attention to the man behind the screen. I love this game. The one where you come out and say that the rethuglicans support Occupy but we don't want to talk about anything occupy. Instead we are only going to talk about this one thing (because they don't support anything occupy) and then we are going to hide behind Occupy.

Don't you have a FB site to build? A fund to build? You're real trustworthy.

[-] 7 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

??? ... sometimes GF I think you are bought too..... Fear everywhere ... behind every door.... ???

maybe in your lingo... I should call you a Corporaltist Shill ... hehe....

don't really believe that... but it fits in this context ... no ?

[-] 7 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

this is getting old.

ok. Her message is

don't unify. splinter. it doesn't matter.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I just use my name

[-] 1 points by jollyholly (-15) 1 year ago

Yes, it's getting really old indeed. I really don't understand why she's here cussing and screaming against ideas which are about Occupy, about unity. Why someone would want to splinter us into a lame right vs left fight is beyond my comprehension. We already have the democrats and the republicans for those who want to play the partisan politics game. She should join the democrats if all she wants to do is attack right wingers.

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, I'm not afraid and I think that kind of pisses you off. I'm down with that. For all your bullshit, it becomes pretty damn funny watching you. hehehe

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

GF... you don't piss me off... and your ideas don't piss me off... your calling me names & thinking that I have a hidden agenda that's in anyway different from what I am honestly posting to the best of my ability... does piss me off a little.... but not too much... I think I share many of the frustrations....

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[-] -1 points by mercury (-41) 1 year ago

You were not programmed to feel fear

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You are such a dirt bag.

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

i dont know. GirlFriday is pretty damn funny to watch as well. There is a reason people like to watch E! tv so much. Ignorance is enertaining. ;)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I discussed laws with her for a while

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

So? Pot heads discuss laws all the time, but that doesnt make them intelligent.

The ability to talk does not make a person smrt.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

ad hominem

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[-] 4 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

you can't unify against get money out of politics? what do you unify for????

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Ok then let us join this please

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I thought you already had. However, as it turns out you hadn't. So, whenever you are ready.

[-] 0 points by jollyholly (-15) 1 year ago

This calls for a unification of the people, not a splintering between the left and right wings like you desire. In any case, this chapter of Occupy is dead. There are no longer any general assemblies using direct democracy. It's about affinity groups now like the Rolling Jubilee. Why live in the past?

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

JH, I would not consider the "general assemblies using direct democracy" is dead... nor that any chapter of Occupy is dead...

  • on vacation maybe ;) ...
  • I believe that the Occupation based General Assemblies ... was a great experiment .... it quickly taught many of us... including me... the obstacles a governing system based on democracy will find....
  • in the beginning... I was not sold on Direct Democracy... I like many felt that apathy & ignorance could provide a non-perfect outcome....
  • now I realize that money and corruption inevitably provides a non-perfect outcome....
  • I now realize that Direct Democracy is the best path to a Democracy of the people & for the people...
  • we simply need to figure out how to work out the kinks....
[-] 2 points by interesting (-1) 1 year ago

Perhaps not dead, but on a life support unit. There are still some General Assemblies which are active, but they average 5 to 30 members and have mostly stopped publishing GA minutes. Basically, the hardcore folks of Occupy. Hardly what GA meant at the start of Occupy. I personally don't really count these. I could get a few friends together and hold an Occupy General assembly in my city, with like 10 people. Not sure what that would mean. Is is really direct democracy for the people, or some kind of private meeting between friends?

More here from the Occupy General Assembly Research Project:

http://interoccupy.net/blog/preliminary-findings-of-the-occupy-general-assembly-research-project/

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

put this on the front page

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

good link

[-] 1 points by interesting (-1) 1 year ago

If you take the time to explore the sites you linked above, you will notice that none still have general assemblies.

http://occupydenver.org/denver-general-assembly/ga-meeting-minutes/

The last Denver GA was held in August 7th, 2012.

http://occupychi.org/ga/minutes

The last Chicago GA was held on Feb 13th, 2013.

http://www.portlandgeneralassembly.org/category/ga-notes/

The last Portland GA was held on October 1st, 2012

http://occupyseattle.org/?page_id=621

Occupy Seattle barely has any activities left at all. Their calendar is empty apart from a few talk events. There's no mention of GA, or GA minutes at all on that site. Not sure why you provided a link.


Funny, I get down voted to -1 for doing research and providing truth. lol

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

lol 'cept, they are having GAs they just aren't posting the minutes. http://occupychi.org/calendar

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

sites loose activity all the time

that doesn't mean that the posters ain't still active

(in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=anarchy

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Direct Democracy died after the Peloponnesean War. Everything after that is just a bastardized version of Direct Democracy.

Direct Government allows people to rule themselves, while Direct Democracy allows people to rule other people.

Democracy has kind of proven to be a failure. Majority rules is a flawed concept.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

Majority rules is a flawed concept.

yeah well ... Corporations rules is a flawed concept.......
and so is ... Money rules is a flawed concept.

  • I think we might be better off betting on the Majority....

now "Direct Government" is interesting ... I've seen you post that before....

did a google search ... not much out there defining it... other than via the term ; "Direct Democracy"...

https://www.google.com/search?q=direct%20government%20definition

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

I think I started the concept of Direct Government as I understand it. It is based on, however, the last paragraph of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.

"Direct Government", I guess is just my term for the government that Thoreau is seeking in his essay.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly, you said that you never liked occupy and you are getting pretty desperate because you are a right wing shill.

[-] 0 points by jollyholly (-15) 1 year ago

I never said that I never liked Occupy. If you think I did, please provide evidence. Care to link to a posting or a comment? I'm not sure where you got that false assumption.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/love-connections-december-3rd-4th-zuccotti-park/

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2137) 1 year ago

My fellow occupier, I'm occupying the forum in protest of OWS. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

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[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Am I allowed to vote against any of this?

There is much in your above post that I would disagree with.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Of course you do.

[-] -1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Can I vote against the whole thing?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Didn't you already?

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

No, I was just asking if such a thing would be Kosher (<---it means "Okay" for you non-Hebrews out there).

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I think you already did.

[-] -2 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Okay. Whatever you say..... ;)

[-] 3 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

No ,we talk about what you want. This is the GF site here.

Anyone shares anything you don't like, and they are the outsiders.

[+] -7 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You create fictitious conversations because you're an ass. I already discovered when it came to the ARTV crap that you can't dig very deep and you play too much.

[-] 3 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Ok

These are my ideas http://occupywallst.org/forum/search/?q=user%3Agsw

Maybe not brilliant to your measure...., at least they are ideas in contribution to build solutions.

What's your contribution?

There's a book you could learn from.... They are establishing free learning communities, here's a link

I hope it is good the books first chapters are great

http://www.walkoutwalkon.net/ which are out of the book. The authors wish we learn

to empower communities with what is available.

Walk Out Walk On: A Learning Journey into Communities Daring to Live the Future Now (BK Currents) [Paperback] Margaret Wheatley (Author), Deborah Frieze (Author)

Publication Date: April 11, 2011 | Series: BK Currents No One Is Coming to Help. Now What? In this era of increasingly complex problems and shrinking resources, can we find meaningful and enduring solutions to the challenges we face today as individuals, communities, and nations? In Walk Out Walk On, we invite you on a learning journey to seven communities around the world to meet people who have walked out of limiting beliefs and assumptions and walked on to create healthy and resilient communities. These Walk Outs who Walk On use their ingenuity and caring to figure out how to work with what they have to create what they need. From Mexico to India, from Columbus, Ohio to Johannesburg, South Africa, we discover that all communities have the intelligence and inventiveness to solve their seemingly insolvable problems. "We discovered a gift inside ourselves," one Brazilian said, "something that was already there."

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You create fictitious conversations because you're an ass. I already discovered when it came to the ARTV crap that you can't dig very deep and you play too much.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

My interest in Article V and discovery of the Initiatives Amendment pages occurred organically when discussing ideas on this thread http://occupywallst.org/forum/what-would-a-new-constitution-say/.

Maybe it can be done without article V. I haven't bothered to discuss it since you apparently killed it, I moved on.

Here's a website from a book on disseminating knowledge freely to local communities to empower to solve problems in the localities.

http://www.walkoutwalkon.net/

I recommend the book. I may attend Colorado workshop early August.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You know, you would get a lot further if you spent less time lying and conniving. I doubt very seriously that it occurred organically and you and yours took every opportunity to shove it down my throat. For well over a year.

In fact, you weren't at all prepared to to debate or even answer questions. You were prepared for one type of argument and when you didn't get that.........you fell on your ass. So, let me recommend a workshop for you. Take the Bullshit- less workshop NOW. It's broken into two sections. The first section covers yes, you are a lying conniving con artist. Section two should give you the tools so that you can be less of a tool.

[-] 0 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Well you finally put a few sentences together, and still it is full of caca

It occurred organically as I was researching amendments.

I only found it in March, during the post, so you are mistaken, as that is 4 months.

You were against ART 5 long before I mentioned it.

I was not so much for the bellow site as for the ideas behind the site, to help us with problem solving, which you never looked at, because you judge a book by the cover.

http://www.cusdi.org/

You must believe I am one dimensional Red and Blue Striped Pill replica.

ha ha ha

I am not here to debate, my personality profile says I am a world problem solver, colors blue and green builder negotiater

You BUILDER / negotiator

You are a wonderful friend and colleague. You are generally calm and entertaining, and always dedicated and reliable. Just about everybody likes you.

You have a traditional streak. Home, family, job and community are all central to you. You like being firmly embedded in your social groups and you feel deeply responsible for just about everyone around you. You can be fiercely protective of those you love.

You are skilled at managing people. You are sympathetic and cooperative; you are also hard working and display a good deal of common sense. And you can be very patient. So you can complete detailed, painstaking jobs more easily than most people.

You enjoy building social relationships. And you are skilled at achieving solutions to sticky problems so that all involved feel fulfilled.

You tend to be cautious but not fearful. You have a genuine sense of community. So you seek projects that enable you to contribute to a more stable world.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No. And on top of that.........apparently you're a cheap fortune cookie.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You could always go check out the color here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/poll-should-this-forum-be-moderated/

What color would that be?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Here, looky there.........an entire color for you to go jack with. http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-continuing-collapse-of-the-global-warming-hoax/

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[-] 0 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

True Colors (personality) is a personality profiling system created by Don Lowry in 1979.[1] It was originally created to categorize four basic learning styles using the colors blue, orange, gold and green to identify the strengths and challenges of these core personality types.[2] According to this personality temperament theory, which is a refined version of the popular Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, everyone's personality consists of a combination of all four colors, with the dominant two colors representing the core of a person's personality temperament.[3] In general, green personality types are independent thinkers, gold personality types are pragmatic planners, orange personality types are very action-oriented, and blue personality types are very people-oriented.[4] The idea behind True Colors is that it does not pigeonhole people into one personality type over another with the understanding that one's personality might make adjustments based on his or her environment or associations. True Colors is a way to understand the behaviors and motivations of others relative to our own personalities to help mitigate potential conflict by learning to recognize personality differences and characteristics.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Colors_(personality)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_test

True Colors is a way to understand the behaviors and motivations of others relative to our own personalities to help mitigate potential conflict by learning to recognize personality differences and characteristics.[5]

A tool to approach to problem solving.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (15508) 12 hours ago

What color is this one again? http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-on-corporatism-uniting-the-99-cleaning-up-our-/#comment-980738 ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] 0 points by GirlFriday (15508) 12 hours ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/hass-and-associates-cyber-security-news-informatio/

What color would that one be? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink [-] -1 points by GirlFriday (15508) 12 hours ago

You could always go check out the color here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/poll-should-this-forum-be-moderated/

What color would that be? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (15508) 12 hours ago

Here, looky there.........an entire color for you to go jack with. http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-continuing-collapse-of-the-global-warming-hoax/ ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


You have no idea then.

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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

PS I didn't give a fuck before. I don't give a fuck now. You may wish to stop being a lying conniving conman. Fuck you.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Back to fortune cookies.

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

? who are you talking to ?

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

?gsw hehehehe?

[-] 0 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

opp's that's right... I forgot the hehehe ... ;)

[-] 2 points by gsw (2687) 1 year ago

Facebook was my idea, not Brad's.

He has better skills, and ideas.

I'm just sick of not being able to agree on something to do.