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Forum Post: Overtime was not just conceived as a compensation for lost "Life Time"

Posted 1 year ago on May 11, 2013, 1:43 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN
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Overtime was also conceived as a way to make employers think really hard about the added expense of overtime - in the hopes of keeping the working week reasonable for the workers. To see that the workers got time for themselves to spend with their families in their community as well as at home.

FIGHT planned Austerity measures wherever they come from.

Austerity = Democide Get familiar with the term before you "might" dismiss it without 1st knowing what it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide


Please add your name in opposition to new a bill passed by House Republicans that would end overtime pay for American workers. Click here to sign the petition opposing the bill from Daily Kos and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

In the latest shameful chapter of their war on workers, House Republicans passed the Orwellian-named “Working Families Flexibility Act,” which gives business owners the flexibility of not paying hourly workers a higher wage for overtime work.

This attempt to line the pockets of employers at the expense of workers is outrageous. When workers need to save money for health care, education, or other major life expenses, they often do it by putting in extra hours. Giving employers the opportunity to take away overtime pay could wreak havoc on our already struggling economy and minimize opportunities to enter the middle class.

Please click to here to sign the petition from Daily Kos and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee opposing the end of mandatory overtime pay, and shaming House Republicans for passing such an offensive bill.

Keep fighting, Chris Bowers, Daily Kos

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[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (20505) 1 year ago

A national strike is what we need and Occupy Wall Street should start planning it.

The assault on workers' rights must end.

Overtime was not put in place because of any paternal instinct. It was put in place because working more than a certain number (such as 40) hours per week is very difficult, grueling and even inhumane, so the worker is compensated at a higher rate for his sacrifice.

In the end, many many American workers are classified as "exempt" from overtime and many work an atrocious number of hours with no additional compensation at all because they are "salaried" workers. It all benefits the employer and the capitalists win again. The corporation uses overtime to hire fewer workers thereby avoiding paying benefits to more workers. It's all exploitative with profit the objective.

We need a national strike, by all workers, exempt and non-exempt, if we want the erosion of workers' rights to end.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I'd rather work than sit on the couch. Im a worker. Please dont take that away from me. IIF, and I said if, If I agree that I want to work more for the same rate, they I should have that right.

Adults working with adults. Im not talking about people taking advantage of other people. Im talking about the most personal level of the situation.

I want to work more. The boss says that overtime rules mean that after 40 hours, I have to automatically go from 12/hr to 18/hr, and that the coffee shop cant afford to pay someone 18hr. I say thats fine, I'd like to work Saturdays for some extra money for school. He says ok, cool, your a good worker and I wish I had more of you.

This situation is not criminal at all. We can have protections for those that dont want to work more while preserving the freedom for those that do.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20505) 1 year ago

The government's job is to promote the general welfare of the people, not corporations. People need jobs, they need fair pay, they need to be around to raise their children. Protecting those things is the job of the government. Paying people fairly for hours that become grueling at a higher rate, is not exploitative. Exploiting people who need to work hours in order to survive, at a low rate, is immoral. Free market economies exploit. Free market economies need regulation to prevent that exploitation.

Glad you're back OTP. You make a good argument about people having the right to choose for themselves. But, the worker is powerless on his own against the big employer/capitalist and needs rules in place to balance the power.

[-] 0 points by Sockpuppet33 (-4) 1 year ago

Spineless Worker Bees. When did the Sheeple let the 1% change the lexicon from "Careers" to "Jobs". Jobs is a 4 letter word. You shouldn't be boasting about working your life away as a wage slave.

One thing about "hard workers" is that the ones who boast the most about being hard workers are a bunch of screw ups. They waste most of the time spinning their wheels and don't know their job.Their eyes glaze over in boredom when having to learn volumes of important information. When things get heavy, they come crying to you for answers. Funny how the people who never brag about being hard workers, work harder and know 100 times as much as the hard workers.

All the "hard workers" I've every worked with are a bunch of clock watchers who just know enough to scrape by while making a million mistakes.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Who said anything about working a life away? Its not up to you to make judgements on how people want to live. If you love what you do, its not really work, right? Would you like to legislate my marriage and my food too?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I agree - people need to wake-up - and to that end - shadz shared the link below.

People need to see this - as it seems that this is now the goal in the USA as well as in Europe. Do People understand what is happening in government what austerity measures mean? Forcing issues to force change - change for the worse for the general public/population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8859syeumXw

[-] -2 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

I think you need to wake up. You need to start protesting in the streets like the rest of us instead of staying in your comfortable home sending tweets. You're slowly falling into a world of conspiracy theory type delusions. Be careful.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

of course it's flexible.

It's the Gumby act!!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-gumby-act/

[-] -3 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 1 year ago

Well another phony topic. This was an act driven by working mothers to gain more flexibility in scheduling their work day. Public employees have had this exact reg in their work place, so why can't private employees? Why? Because it wasn't negotiated by private unions. If employees can get stuff without needing a union to argue for it, it makes unions less valuable.

The Rep that proposed this is a working mom with 2 school age kids. Working moms WANT this.

Stupid liberals.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If anything is phoney - that would B U.

You are looking at this wrong. SURPRISE - NOT

What is it that you do not seem to understand about need needing to be satisfied 1st???

That a living wage for every single worker is the need to be met. Not reduced payroll for the employer.

That having a living wage would remove the need to work overtime???

That overtime if being made to work it would actually be a bonus in the workers pocket.

But this legislation if passed would allow employers to work their employees to death for 40hrs pay. Work 60 or 70 or 80hrs or?....... for 40 hours pay. WTF is good about that?

What are you failing to understand?

[-] -1 points by freemarket5555 (-182) 1 year ago

The public employees have this and like it. What's your point? That public employees are wrong?

Living Wage is an entirely different discussion.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Rand is a fuckin moron. And so is anyone else that thinks centralized decisions making is the way to go.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Strangely enough, you didn't always think so.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/rand-vs-brennan/

You were rather proud of him, just like Daddy.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Wow, you have way too much time on your hands. A basement dwelling internet troll. Wonderful.

Heres the copy: "You may not like his other views on what hte role of government is in regards to social nets and regulations, but we can all agree its about time SOMEONE started making at least a peep on the drones and the bombs."

I personally dont like his views or his views on government. Didnt mean to confuse you.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Just taken a break, before I go cook dinner.

Strange how insulting to me you become, when I present you with the truth.

It had almost fallen off the list too. I know you have that down to a science, but you blew it on that one.

I'm all for drone controls.

JR isn't. He's a liar like his Daddy, before him.

What he did was bullshit.

Nothing more.

I knew that from the instant he said he was going to do it.

He's a libe(R)tarian. It's what they do.

They hate the little guys, worse than the other two.

They're just better at the theater of it all.

You haven't confused me, one little bit.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

You cook your own dinners at the retirement home? Do you also cook for DKAtoday?

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Your knickers are in a rather tight bunch today?

Did you fall off your potty chair, before you could pull them up?

That's pretty fact free and off topic, even for you.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It's warming up to blow it's stack again.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

This bill on overtime has really brought to light some disingenuous posters, hasn't it?

One of the other reason's for it, is to increase employment.

They keep missing the point, that 2 12 hour shifts, replaces a fellow worker, and is actually an endorsement of greed....

Overtime should be used to make up for production problems and break downs, late deliveries and such.

Not as a replacement for another worker.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

The answer is to push for an economy that will create more jobs, not to limit the time of a job so that it can be divided into two.

[-] 1 points by Tonto (-2) 1 year ago

Lone Ranger, as always, you are right. Well, except for that time you got us bushwhacked riding through Indian territory. Luckily I was Indian, but they sure didn't go easy on you.

I'm not saying that makes you gay. Because technically all those men took IT from you, you didn't give it up... Well, not at first anyway.

Sorry to bring up bad memories LR.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

No worries. I regret nothing in life. We learn from all our memories, bad or good.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

And in the mean time you don't have a single problem telling that guy down the street and his family to choke on it, while you work 60 hours, because they'll let you.

In fact you are willing to do it for even less money ( by this bill ), so you can work even more hours and take jobs away from even more guys down the street.

And you think that makes you a rebel???

LOL

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The community is paying your bills, paying your medical, paying your disability, and paying your existence. You should stop acting like a fuckin nazi and telling them their working extra "isnt fair".

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WTF?

That's all there is to say about this change of subject.

This fact free attempt to ignore what was posted.

I would say ad hominem, but the term is over done, so I'll just say it's all you have. CATO talking points and insults.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

OTP nailed it. It's strange to see someone like you on disability, essentially profiting from the community, trying to tell people they shouldn't work hard to pay for your life. Have you ever helped Occupy? The answer is no. Not once have you protested. You are addicted to this forum. That's all you do, you sleep and use this forum. Do you even have friends apart from your retirement home buddy DKAtoday? You're a senile old man. You don't help Occupy, you make it worse.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

nasty, offensive, anti occupy sentiments.

You got a problem with old people?

Get over it

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still off subject??

You know, since you are claiming corporate positions as "pro worker" and having worked there as an extra on Hong Kong produced chop socky movies, I find it surprising that you didn't post this very positive, from a workers perspective, event in Hong Kong....

http://www.labornotes.org/2013/05/hong-kong-dockers-claim-victory

Could this omission be because you are not being honest?

I believe it is so.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its on the subject of people working to pay all your bills and then you telling them to stop.

Heres more proof of what a scum you are:

" I'm not running for anything, but if Murdock wants to give me some cash, I'll take it."

You are a nazi. You should be deported.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I want the guy down the street to have a job, and this makes me not just a fascist, but a nazi?????

You don't want the guy to have a job, because it would take away you're overtime, and that makes you rebel??

How's that work??

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-35) 23 minutes ago

The answer is to push for an economy that will create more jobs, not to limit the time of a job so that it can be divided into two. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Hey Twister Mr.(?) LoneStranger. Mr.(?)Twister?

1st? your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw -then what you over look(?) -

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25114) from Coon Rapids, MN 16 hours ago

You are still looking at this wrong.

What is it that you do not seem to understand about need needing to be satisfied 1st???

That a living wage for every single worker is the need to be met.

That having a living wage would remove the need to work overtime???

That overtime if being made to work it would actually be a bonus in the workers pocket.

What are you failing to understand? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25128) from Coon Rapids, MN 23 hours ago

I also replied to the e-mail which carried the petition:

If you had a text box on the petition where supporters/signers could add their own message/comment to the formal petition message. I would have added the following:

Overtime was also conceived as a way to make employers think really hard about the added expense of overtime - in the hopes of keeping the working week reasonable for the workers. To see that the workers got time for themselves to spend with their families in their community as well as at home.

FIGHT planned Austerity measures wherever they come from.

Austerity = Democide Get familiar with the term before you "might" dismiss it without 1st knowing what it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


This legislation if passed would allow employers to work their employees to death for 40hrs pay.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

This drivel is hard to read. Why repost comments in other comments. Just provide permalinks for readability. Your whole comment is a big mess.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Stuck on Stupid R U ??? Mr.Twister?

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Why do you write like a 12 year old girl sending text messages?

Yeah, I'm sort of stuck on stupid. You won't leave me alone.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Tell that to all the restuarant workers that arent making shit right now that they cant take extra shifts. Tell them they are greedy. Tell them that.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why do you think there's been rolling strikes?

This is just another attempt by you, to change the subject anyway.

It still stands, that 2 12 hour shifts, removes one person from the work force, and that removing overtime pay will create more 12 hour jobs.

You can't get around that simple fact, no matter how many times you change the subject..

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I didnt think you would tell them that.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Because they already know that 2 12 hour shifts removes someone from the work force..

It's your corporate position that's the issue.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

A living wage is "the" need to be satisfied - a living wage for every worker - this living wage would meet the ability to pay the bills of living and allow one to actually save money.

This legislation if passed would allow employers to work their employees to death for 40hrs pay.

Why would anyone pay anyone for 60 hours when they can make you work or get someone else to work 60 hours for 40 hours pay.

FIGHT planned Austerity measures wherever they come from.

Austerity = Democide Get familiar with the term before you "might" dismiss it without 1st knowing what it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I wouldnt want Rands thing to pass, I dont want him in charge of anything at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - very "REVEALING" - those sticking up for worker rape.

round and round and round...................They go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw


Not as a replacement for another worker.

Nor as a way to get workers working overtime for no pay.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They keep talking like the management reps at a negotiating table, whether they realize it or not.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They realize it.

Catch ya later - gotta take off 4 a while.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Wish your Mom a happy day for us........:)

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx. Happy Mommy's Day Everyone. {:-])

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

round and round and round...................

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

It was nice. Just like it was nice to see Warren chewing the bankers a new one a little while ago. I dont expect anything from any of em though, because they are in the machine.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I guess that's why you are so apathetic about what happens around you close to home then.

You just don't expect anything, therefore you an ignore what happens in Florida, while you hate on unions.

Me?

I notice what these motherfucking (R)epelican'ts are doing.

You don't care, because in Florida it's already normal??

http://occupywallst.org/forum/michigan-school-district-lays-off-all-its-teachers/

They were going to work for free.

Libe(R)tarians, hate that kind thing, especially when it doesn't jibe with ALECs antiunion agenda.

Just like this piece of shit legislation you like so much..

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The only piece of shit here is you, you nasty old bastard. There's no one more apathetic than the guy who sits by and watches all shit happening while bitching about it on the internet.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Nothing but fact free, insults.

Now that's your forte.

Let us know when you pull your head out the warm Florida sand and take a look around.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/02/in_2012_florida_arrested_12000_students_in_school--and_that_was_an_improvement.html

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/05/kiera_wilmot_case_prosecutor_w.php

Some of us are trying to prevent the rest of the country from, becoming that.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If posting things on the internet is what makes a difference, we are in big trouble.

"Some of us are trying to prevent the rest of the country from, becoming that."

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Good!

You should stop posting things on the internet immediately!!!

Perhaps then you will notice that this is going on all around "right" now.

"Right" in your backyard.

Perhaps you will become less apathetic.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Says the guy who doesnt work and sits on the computer all day.

How many nights did you spend in Detroit during Occupy? Oh thats right, NONE.

NONE.

NOT ONE.

So keep at it. Someone, or multiple people, are paying your ass. Someone is paying your disability payments, and current workers are paying your pension. And you have the balls to tell them to stop working so much, while you reap the benefits.

Fuck you.

[-] 2 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

You nailed it. Shooz doesn't leave his retirement home. Never once protested for Occupy. Spends all his waking moments here because he has no friends or family. He just takes payments from the community, then comes here and complains that some people want to work hard to pay his life.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Another subject change and multiple attempts at insult.

Fuck me?

You don't have enough brains, or money.

Keep it fact free, off subject and insulting.

That's your MO.

How are you doing on that repeal of right to work in Florida?

How about the Florida school to prison pipeline, you never mention?

Still stuck at prisonplanet, aren't you?

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The truth sucks. Deal with it and quit being such a nazi.

Taking and benefiting from everyone elses money and then telling them to work less, because its not fair.

No wonder you said you'd take Murdochs money. What a scumbag you are.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're the one to know, it's why you rarely tell it and rarely accept it.

It's why you are quicker to insult, than you are to reason.

[-] -2 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

That damn shooz never protested in his life. He's just a forum addict. Funny thing is he really thinks he helps OWS with his divisive attitude. Dumb and dumber him and DKAtoday are.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

round and round and round...................

Should play Ur theme song for the people - prior 2 making a comment - let em know what U R about.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There's 168 hrs in a week. 50 are for sleep. What if some of us want to work more but management wont let us because overtime regs make it too expensive? A $15hr job turns into a 22.50 hr job, and ss taxes follow the same route.

I cannot even tell you how many friends I have that want to work more but their corporate overlords wont do it, because of overtime rules. It opens up pandoras box. There has to be a middle ground between making sure people arent forced to work more vs allowing good people who are hungry and capable the ability to work more if both parties agree to it.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why does he need to work more?

[-] -3 points by Narley (280) 1 year ago

Overtime has it’s down side. But without it a lot of people wouldn’t be able to make a decent living. As a young person I had a job where I worked 10.5 hours a day, M-F, and 16 hours on both Saturday and Sunday. In the three years I did that I only took off about four of five days. I was glad to get the overtime. I had a wife and two babies at home and needed the money. So, as tough as it was, I at least was able to provide for my family. So, overtime is sometimes a good thing

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If everyone agrees to it, then its fine. If an employer wants to hire two people at 40 hrs, or pay one at 40 and then 40 at time and half, or both agree on 80 at the base rate, etc....

Bottom line is Rand is a fuckin idiot, and so are the people in DC that run against him or with him. None of em have our intentions at heart. One side wants to eliminate overtime pay and the other wants to turn it into such a logistical mess as to not make it practical.

Life would be much better without any of em.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Need is why I made this Post - not Want - Need.

Please add your name in opposition to new a bill passed by House Republicans that would end overtime pay for American workers. Click here to sign the petition opposing the bill from Daily Kos and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So "want" should be ignored then?

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

No - but want is a luxury to be fulfilled after need has been taken care of.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Who says they just want to work more than 40/hour weeks for fun. Maybe they need that extra money. Some people have large families. Debts to pay off. Etc...

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

1st? your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw -then what you over look(?) -

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25114) from Coon Rapids, MN 16 hours ago

You are still looking at this wrong.

What is it that you do not seem to understand about need needing to be satisfied 1st???

That a living wage for every single worker is the need to be met.

That having a living wage would remove the need to work overtime???

That overtime if being made to work it would actually be a bonus in the workers pocket.

What are you failing to understand? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That would B U x2

your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

According to who? Some of those wants are from people who want to provide for their family.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How come they can't do that at 40 hours?

You do realize, that for every 2 people working 12 hour shifts, one less person will be hired.

One more worker down the street, won't be able to get a job at all?

He won't be able to provide for his family....at all.

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Some people have big debts, some large families. Sometimes it's impossible to make ends meet with only 40 hours a week. I know a guy in US with a 200,000$ debt caused by sickness and repeated hospital care. Fortunately he's healthy now, but that's a lot of money to repay. He works 70 hours a week.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

So screw the guy down the street out of a job then?

What if someone in his family gets ill?

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

The solution is to create the opportunity for more jobs, and this is possible without limiting the time for certain jobs. A good economy creates new job opportunities without splitting current jobs into 2 or 3.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's irrelevant and off subject.

Either way someone is out of a job.

That's what 2 12 hour shifts will do.

If you work one, you have effectively removed a full time job from the "market".

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

How is that irrelevant? If there are plenty of jobs, more than enough, then there is no problem at all. People could work 60 hours if they wanted and there would still be jobs available for others.

DKAtoday and you are senile. Your comprehension skills are near non existent.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm talking about here and now. Not some utopia created for a chop socky flick you play an extra in.

Not some libe(R)opian future, they have no real impetus to create.

If you work 60 hours, you have effectively removed someone from the workforce.

If you think otherwise. It's you who's senile.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Are you really talking about the here and now. If so, there's nothing we can do to change the present. What we can do is change what will happen in the future, hence the OWS protests. What's the point of talking about a present that is unchangeable? I thought we were here to find solutions for the future.

Are you dumb or dumber?

http://occupywallst.org/forum/dumb-and-dumber-have-ruined-this-site/

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Not necessarily true, even now. Depends on the job.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Mostly the guy that works for himself, or non hourly contracted jobs.

If you work in a large corporation it's 100% true.

Plus it's used in contract talks to drive down base wage rates.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

There are many specialized jobs in large corporations where the workers cannot easily be replaced. Doctors are another example. I have an uncle who is a brain specialist. He works close to 80 hours a week since there really isn't a lot of brain specialists where he lives.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You are failing to understand/comprehend - or so it seems - take a break - go clear your mind - then try again - as for right now you seem to be stuck on stupid - or on greed over equality/fairness - anyway your position makes no sense.

Why would anyone pay anyone for 60 hours when they can make you work or get someone else to work 60 hours for 40 hours pay.

your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

round and round and round...................

Should play Ur theme song for the people - prior 2 making a comment - let em know what U R about.

[-] 0 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

If there would be tons of jobs out there, it would be hard for an employer to find somebody else since unemployment would be reduced greatly. This is why people with very specialized jobs have no problem getting many hours of work. Employers find it difficult to find someone else to do their job.

Learn reading and logic. Your not too old, just too stubborn.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Mr. Twister - I repeat:

[-] 1 points by LoneRanger (-35) 23 minutes ago

The answer is to push for an economy that will create more jobs, not to limit the time of a job so that it can be divided into two. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Hey Twister Mr.(?) LoneStranger. Mr.(?)Twister?

1st? your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw -then what you over look(?) -

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (25114) from Coon Rapids, MN 16 hours ago

You are still looking at this wrong.

What is it that you do not seem to understand about need needing to be satisfied 1st???

That a living wage for every single worker is the need to be met.

That having a living wage would remove the need to work overtime???

That overtime if being made to work it would actually be a bonus in the workers pocket.

What are you failing to understand? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25128) from Coon Rapids, MN 23 hours ago

I also replied to the e-mail which carried the petition:

If you had a text box on the petition where supporters/signers could add their own message/comment to the formal petition message. I would have added the following:

Overtime was also conceived as a way to make employers think really hard about the added expense of overtime - in the hopes of keeping the working week reasonable for the workers. To see that the workers got time for themselves to spend with their families in their community as well as at home.

FIGHT planned Austerity measures wherever they come from.

Austerity = Democide Get familiar with the term before you "might" dismiss it without 1st knowing what it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink


This legislation if passed would allow employers to work their employees to death for 40hrs pay.

[-] -1 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

Unreadable drivel. Don't nest comments inside other comments. Keep it short and tight instead of long and convoluted. You can cut down on tedious repetitions by simply providing permalinks to older comments. But really, I think everyone here can read (except you). You really don't need to repeat comments inside other comments.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Stuck on Stupid Mr.Twister? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Who is paying your internet bill and the ability to sit on the computer all day?

Probably the community. Thats what communities are for.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I reject you attempt at subject change, as you saying........

YUP....Screw that guy down the street and his family too.

So are you ranger's puppet, or is he yours?

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You are screwing everyone by taking their money and then telling them to work less, you nazi.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Who's money am I taking by informing you of how overtime works and what it does?

It's you who's screwing everyone by ignoring these facts and backing this legislation.

Your continued attempts at insult are getting tiresome.

It's this kind of legislation that is fascist.

Yet you back it.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Wheres your income for your internet bill come from?

Ya, thats right.

Your generation has fucked us so hard its not even funny. Now you want us to work less, while you keep getting the benefits. sounds like a nazi to me.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

How does my having a meager pension make me a nazi?

I did earn it, even as the GOP is trying to take it away`from me.

You're beginning to sound like FLAKESnews.

Fallout from spending too much time at prisonplanet?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

round and round and round...................

HighHO LoneStranger your theme song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAcr-S1LSw - awayyyyyyyyyyyy

round and round and round...................

Should play Ur theme song for the people - prior 2 making a comment - let em know what U R about.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You don't think that Need is more important to satisfy for every worker than Want???

Edit:

A living wage is "the" need to be satisfied - a living wage for every worker - this living wage would meet the ability to pay the bills of living and allow one to actually save money.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

We need to distiguish between those who want to save money vs those who want to buy a bigger set of rims or an extra flat screen.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why??

Do you want all the rim workers to get laid off?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You are still looking at this wrong.

What is it that you do not seem to understand about need needing to be satisfied 1st???

That a living wage for every single worker is the need to be met.

That having a living wage would remove the need to work overtime???

That overtime if being made to work it would actually be a bonus in the workers pocket.

What are you failing to understand?

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Im failing to understand how you can step in between two people and tell them how things are suppose to be. If me and the person I work for agree to work 60 hrs for one flat rate thats between us. If you say its not happening and screw me out of 20 hrs, leaving me on the couch watching tv, that fuckin sucks.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

What guy?

What are you doing?

Why aren't you working 40 hours?

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Im failing to understand

Yes - absolutely - you are failing to understand/comprehend - or so it seems - take a break - go clear your mind - then try again - as for right now you seem to be stuck on stupid - or on greed over equality/fairness - anyway your position makes no sense.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Rands legislation is typical of Republican bullshit, one big sweeping decision, rules for the entire nation that fits their agenda. This from the group that considers themselves anti government- what a joke.

The next Republican to forfeit their position in the name of smaller gov will be the first.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

So sign the petition and tell him to fuck off - do you not comprehend - that the petition is to stop them from eliminating the need for an employer to pay for overtime? And replace pay with time off?

Why would anyone pay you for 60 hours when they can make you work or get someone else to work those same 60 hours for 40 hours pay.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Have you ever paid anyone to work? If so, then you would realize that sometimes when you find someone whose a worker it makes more sense to do what I said instead of you.

I dont appreciate you telling me how many hours Im allowed to work.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Your taking away from my hours has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with you telling me how much I can or cant work.

If I want to work at 60 hrs for 8 an hr thats my decision. And Ive done it, Im assuming you never had to. It sucks. Its not up to you or anyone else to decide to take food off of my table.

As for me being stuck on stupid, thats your take. And it sounds like you are bit removed from the reality that some of us are in right now.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

If you are making a "LIVING WAGE" at 40 hours a week - then you are well off. If you then want to negotiate another 20 hours at the same rate - fine - I am not gonna stop you.

So - No - You are stuck on stupid.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And whats your number for the living wage?

And if Im below the living wage then you are going to stop me? You're going to show up at my workplace and tell me to pack it up? Or just pass some Rand like bullshit that says its illegal?

Wow.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wow.

Wow is right - are you really a meathead?

Why would anyone pay you for 60 hours when they can make you work or get someone else to work those same 60 hours for 40 hours pay.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"Why would anyone pay you for 60 hours when they can make you work or get someone else to work those same 60 hours for 40 hours pay."

Wow. Again. And easy with the insults.

[-] -3 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Some of those "needs" are by people making a hell of a lot more than those who have those "wants".

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummmmm somehow I think you are looking at this cock-eyed. Take your time and re-read the comment.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (25077) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 minutes ago

You don't think that Need is more important to satisfy for every worker than Want???

Edit:

A living wage is "the" need to be satisfied - a living wage for every worker - this living wage would meet the ability to pay the bills of living and allow one to actually save money.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply edit delete permalink

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That's another side of the same coin = Lack of a "LIVING" wage. Few "WANT" to work overtime - Most "NEED" to work overtime. Needing to does not equate to wanting to.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I also replied to the e-mail which carried the petition:

If you had a text box on the petition where supporters/signers could add their own message/comment to the formal petition message. I would have added the following:

Overtime was also conceived as a way to make employers think really hard about the added expense of overtime - in the hopes of keeping the working week reasonable for the workers. To see that the workers got time for themselves to spend with their families in their community as well as at home.

FIGHT planned Austerity measures wherever they come from.

Austerity = Democide Get familiar with the term before you "might" dismiss it without 1st knowing what it means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

[-] -2 points by LoneRanger (-307) 1 year ago

We don't care what emails, online petitions, and tweets you do. Damn it! We want you to participate in an active manner and protest in the streets! Enough of this easy slackivism.

And what's with this pointing out definitions of common English words? It's not because you just learned what democide and austerity mean that you must provide us with definitions. We are adults. We have known these words for years. Why do you assume we are illiterate like you?

[+] -8 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (28238) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It can also be tweeted -

http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=eI%2BsbF7u8ZNiZTxjATpMNbpEfhrIjdZ8 Click here to sign the petition opposing the bill from Daily Kos and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.