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Forum Post: One County In America That Voted In A Landslide For Both Trump And Obama

Posted 3 months ago on Nov. 9, 2017, 8:29 a.m. EST by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ
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Contrary to the “Trump Country” stereotype, Howard County isn’t drowning in manufacturing job losses, high unemployment or an opioid crisis. In fact, its unemployment rate the month before the election was just 2.9 percent. The main gripe? Stagnant wages — and a gnawing feeling that people have been working harder and for longer hours while other parts of the country reaped much bigger rewards during the recovery from the Great Recession.

“When Trump said, ‘What the hell do you have to lose?’ a lot more people heard it than just African-Americans,” said Pat Murray, a Democrat who worked 29 years as a press brake operator at Donaldson and now serves on the Howard County Board of Supervisors. “Our wages have been stagnant, and our insurance has gone backwards,” he told me, citing the union-sponsored health plan’s surging deductibles. “We work 50, 60 hours a week because there’s no one to hire.”

“[Obama] saved us from another Great Depression, but it never really got back to the working class,” said Murray, who calls himself “as anti-Trump as they come” but says Clinton’s campaign took places like Howard County for granted in the November election. “The average Joe Blow isn’t hung up on the stock market. Democrats always say we’re going to fight for the working people. The last few elections, we haven’t shown that at all.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-county-in-america-that-voted-in-a-landslide-for-both-trump-and-obama/

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[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

I am going to dare you to listen to - http://michael-hudson.com/ here...

Do let me know if you disagree with any of it & maybe we can talk, frf.

multum in parvo...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 3 months ago

I saw this yesterday when I saw BW posted it, I've started reading, https://www.amazon.com/JUNK-ECONOMICS-GUIDE-REALITY-DECEPTION/dp/3981484258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511268710&sr=8-1&keywords=j+is+for+junk+economics

but Shadz the difference between us is I think we should try to keep people like Trump from winning.... it's not all we should do but we have to do that at the very least we can't send out confusing messages on this because it leads to shit like 2000...

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 3 months ago

Please get over the ''shit like 2000'' frf!!! Fixating on Nader & NOT having anything to say about Stolen Election; Ballot Fraud and Gore's failure to push his challenge - is MUCH more important!! Btw, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

When are you going to get over the Jill Stein bullshit?

The 100,000 that voted for Nader in FL mattered a hell of a lot more than any court case.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Alas Dr.Jill Stein is your fixation, so try not to project your fictions onto me, lol! I have no recollection of you ever expressing any concern about Hacking Electronic Voting Machines; Mass Voter Suppression or Election Fraud in U$A!! Why is that?!!! So, here's much about what you'll need to know about that...

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

I have talked about all of those issues , hacked machines, voter suppression "Election fraud?!@?!" what the hell you talking about? get your talking points mixed up? but I also talk about how stupid people that vote for Jill Stein ALSO elect the GOP something more relevant here where you the ego whore Greens have co-opted the forum by running off anybody who wants to stop the GOP from winning that is why the GOP love you and all the Greens.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Re. your Dr. Jill Stein fixation, tell you what frf ... U just provide us with any evidence about her alleged high crimes and misdemeanors and we'll look at and critique it here. In the meantime, IF U want to see actual evidence of the deep corruption of U$A's Corporate Owned, Controlled Opposition Duopoly,see:

U'll like & gain insights form the 2nd video BUT will U have the courage & integrity to watch the 1st vid? U & those still bamboozled, can't really critique one side & NOT the other, as they're 2 cheeks of 1 ass!

U're better than just banging on about Greens & Dr.Stein,given U know that Liberals Must Be Radicals! U are free to link to anything U've done about - "hacked machines, voter suppression & Election fraud"!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

If you want to actually be part of the new movement go here and start helping:

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/

The Greens are dead.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Still fixated on "The Greens" are U?! Still think U can spew abject horseshit like ... ''Compared to Nader and the Greens the Clintons are saints, the Greens have killed billions by electing W Bush POTUS.'' ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/one-county-in-america-that-voted-in-a-landslide-fo/#comment-1074591 )... like U've been spewing here for 6 years?!! Want to go a 10,12 or 15 rounds with me here on how & why Hellary Rotten Clinton is a fkn conservative?!!!

temet nosce!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

"Apparently - "it is a mark of the conservative to start with a lie, all conservatives are lying assholes."! So, ''Clintons are saints'' & ''the Greens have killed billions" have they?!! U fkn lying, conservative, asshole!!!

Hellary - re. just Libya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y (11s) Want more frf?

Try this re."the woman who tried to give America healthcare'' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odN4Aq7XjrE (1.07m) With U accepting that U$A, was ''in a place we had no place being in''!

So how about U live up to this http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-liberals-have-to-be-radicals/ ?!

A fkn ''conservative'' is, as a fkn CONservative does! Lips stuck to Hellary's ample ass - is NOT ''Liberal'' OR Progressive!! It's more of the same idiotic,duopoly Corporate Kabuki in Oligarchy's U$A,so WTFU!!!

veritas vos liberabit ..."

I said compared to the Greens, the Greens killed the Earth and all who live there, not yet but they are responsible for everything W Bush did while in office,. and now they are Drumpf biggest supporters, he couldn't have won without the Greens.

You edit my words because as a GOP loving con you can't handle the truth.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

You are the one pushing the ego whore Jill Stein, you should get over the Cl;intons too yesterday's news going forward those whop want change will work to change the DNC and defeat the GOP, as agkaiser said here, http://occupywallst.org/forum/jill-stein-voters-are-in-the-noise/, the Greens are dead.

You want to go a few rounds on how the Greens and Nader ended our efforts to deal with climate change and killed the world? I'd be happy to.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

You're so out of touch with The DNC and The Democratic Party Establishment! See Nomiki Konst, here:

Until & unless U realize that Gore/Bush AND Kerry/Bush were stolen by Diebold & GOP Lawyers, U will remain in The Dark; Pissing In The Wind; fighting past battles that have NO connection to today's reality.

Go on ... have at it! Your detachment from reality is clear but it will be alleviated a little from that video of Nomiki telling like it is ... IF U can bear to watch it! U may even note that AZ gets a wee mention therein!

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

100,000 voted for Nader in FL and that was the end of life on this planet as we know it.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

An ostrich with it's fat head stuck in the sand - will always need someone else to kick its ass in the air & so .. I'll just have to be your huckleberry! Watch, read and then try to consider the links embedded here:

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

In case you were wondering, you will NEVER be able to come here and spew your Green ego shit without opposition!

People like you are the GOP's greatest friends you are responsible for ALL the W Bush did and ALL that Trump will do.

People who vote for Greens are the stupidest people on Earth.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

''Election Experts Explain How The Election Was Stolen''..

News for U frf ... GOPLite Dems are .. ''GOP's greatest friends"!

ad iudicium ...

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

Remember you and every person who voted for an ego whore Green made it possible for the election to be stolen.

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Hellary Rotten Clinton has barely registered a fkn word in relation to opposition to tRUMP & GOP's b-s and whoTF is being the most vocal about tRUMP's psychopathy?! WhereTF is she btw?!! Still working on arranging the RW books in her RW LieBury?!!! CalmTF down & try to have a Happy Xmas & NY frf.

e tenebris, lux?

[-] 0 points by grapes (5092) 2 months ago

The Election would be stolen anyways if only thieves or thieves-to-be run for office. One look at the grimy bluish smog of Red China and I instantaneously feel a definite American Superiority. We've got catalytic converters in our cars (it's Not that Red China doesn't know how but it simply doesn't care - human lives are cheap there - the State of China is the World's Greatest cigarette maker supplying its own people with cancer sticks for profit. "Socialism with Chinese characteristics," my ass!). We drive A LOT MORE than the Chinese but we still have far superior quality of air. The Greens lobbied for automobile emission control decades ago. Yes, without the Greens you would have been struggling with every breath you take.

Then there are also the cases of the exploding-in-flame-on-impact gasoline tanks of Ford Pintos and the automobile safety belts which saved countless lives and disablements. Green is what we need in a more crowded future. I don't look to Red China for leadership although they have already stolen quite a lot of technologies and succeeded at freeloading on Pax Americana while practicing Mercantilism worldwide.

As for climate change, India will decide the fate of the World because it has the great number of people as well as the resolve to lift them out of poverty using "cheap" COAL. We need to import Muslims en masse to counterbalance the Indians whom we have already imported. Near India/Pakistan/Kashmir/Bangladesh is where Hindus and Muslims have lived side-by-side in some stability for many centuries. We need Muslims in the FCC to patrol the whorely macaques.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

No I do understand you don't give a shit about who is POTUS, that's why the GOP love you so much.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Another Idiot Moment!!! U should know better given how even U know''Liberals have to be Radicals''!!

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

still haven't answered my question about the numbers of innocent people killed by the clinton/ gore administration - i can help you here if you like. then add in barry's dead and see what the total is. i completely understand why you want to ignore this but really not very honest wouldn't you agree?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

What question is that? go ahead take your time and frame out exactly what the hell you are trying to say, mind you I am no fan of the Clintons I just think the GOP must be killed, I am firmly of the mind that if we don't kill the GOP it will kill democracy.

but remember conspiracy bullshit will get you banned...

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

the one just above your response - who is the dupe again? - here is the question AGAIN - my question about the numbers of innocent people killed by the clinton/ gore administration - i can help you here if you like. then add in barry's dead and see what the total is.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

and what people are those? be specific, but remember conspiracy bullshit will get you banned....

you are easily taken in and fooled since you are stupid, so stupid you vote for the ego whore Greens, the Greens that have killed billions to come

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

not a hard question really - come on cut the bs. you might start with the 500,000 iraqi children bill killed then go on to his other foreign murdering. can you remember any or do you blot that out of your mind. as for barry and hillary - oh i don't know maybe start with Libya and yeman and oh shit this is your job. get to work kid not sure how high you can count but you have work to do. as for conspiracies not sure what you mean - it's all on the front page of the ny times - not the numbers of course but the bombings and slaughter of defenseless people

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

oh you forgot to include the links just an oversight I'm sure, it's been awhile since Bill was in office refresh me on the "500,000 Iraqi children" if you have no links just give the account how did he do it?

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

come on facts man - do a bit of research. but i am happy you responded here so let's start with this - Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

If you want to actually be part of the new movement go here and start helping:

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/

Get over the Clintons, they're yesterday's news.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

very weak. i am a bit surprised but i shouldn't be. sure i should ignore bill's murderous administration and vote for his wife since she is sooo much better. maybe you can tell me about her crimes and how many bodies she is responsible for - you do remember - "we came, we saw, he died - ha ha"

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8752) from Phoenix, AZ 2 months ago

I'm pretty sure neither Bill or HRC are going to be running for anything, you won't need to vote for them besides the man you love is already there.

Compared to Nader and the Greens the Clintons are saints, the Greens have killed billions by electing W Bush POTUS.

[-] 0 points by flip (7101) 2 months ago

how many dead civilians was the simple question - nothing to do with trump or nader or spaceballs. bill, hillary and barry - how many people have they murdered? answer the question youngster

[-] 0 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 months ago

Apparently - "it is a mark of the conservative to start with a lie, all conservatives are lying assholes."! So, ''Clintons are saints'' & ''the Greens have killed billions" have they?!! U fkn lying, conservative, asshole!!!

A fkn ''conservative'' is, as a fkn CONservative does! Lips stuck to Hellary's ample ass - is NOT ''Liberal'' OR Progressive!! It's more of the same idiotic,duopoly Corporate Kabuki in Oligarchy's U$A,so WTFU!!!

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5092) 3 months ago

Trump is the Greatest thing to happen to the Retard-I-Can'ts because Only women have the power to clean house. This is absolutely Not sexist. Take a look at whom Trump is supporting: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-republican-roy-moore-must-be-elected-alabama-n823026

Women will recoil in disgust. They will make your dream come true at election time!