Forum Post: Occupy Wall Street-We Deliver
Posted 11 years ago on Sept. 19, 2012, 12:27 a.m. EST by trashyharry
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Looks like an MSM blackout on recent protests in the Financial District.I don't think it matters,because #OWS definately has enough committed activists to support progress to the next level of nonviolent activism.Which would signal the beginning of Bizarre,Outrageous and Supercreepy Spectacles.People really would have to stop and gape at certain kinds of things,even in New York,where people in wheelchairs being arrested for blocking an intersection just wasn't enough.The possibilities are literally as endless as the list of atrocities perpetrated by Capitalists in their depraved pursuit of profits which has destroyed so many lives around the world and burned American Democracy to the ground.TALLY HO!
"Capitalists in their depraved pursuit of profits which has destroyed so many lives around the world and burned American Democracy to the ground."
From the 1st anniversary of Occupy Wall Street as we celebrate the 4th.
the new iPhone is coming out. That's what the news would rather talk about.
Apple is a classic evil corporation.Very few people actually need smart phones and the Apple products are simply Bait For Suckers.
Fear Factor was already a Reality Show, and there was Love in the Wild, Survivor; and Big Brother.
People have seen it all, and are hardened.
Yes, but really, OWS needs to clarify a message, and have all speak to that message.
You need to clarify a message. It's been a year. Lots of groups doing lots of things. There needs to be 1-3 issues uniting all the affinity groups.
People are craving viable solutions to many problems: focus on one, and push it as the main spear of the movement: such as campaign finance reform.
A next big step needs to be taken.
Occupying Wall Street, and even the conventions, MSM ignored OWS.
OWS needs something creative, and imagination-capturing once again.
One to Three issues needs to be a spear of the movement, such as
When someone asks me what Occupy stands for, I say, "We deserve economic and political justice. A fair share of the wealth we help create, an equal voice in the government we elect."
Here are the 3 things that I think are the most important:1-Stop the drones & ban them worldwide 2-Relaxation of the conditions of detention of Bradly Manning including supervision of his imprisonment through 1 hour visits by activists from Amnesty International 3-Safe conduct for Julian Assange to Ecuador.It is my view that accomplishing any 1 of these goals is worth as much as my life.
The message has been clear. The news likes to tell people it's not clear. I only had to watch 2 youtube videos in 2011 to know what the message was.
There was a list of demands too.
Your probably more gifted, or educated than the average Joe.
Sept. 17 Elliot Spitzer was commenting that for him OWS may need for a next step, to clarify for specific proposals, or encapsulate issues into sound-bite size pieces.
Message is clear, but the answers and issues, and changes, are big.
specific reachable objectives and timeline might help concrete sequential people.
I know the message is out there, but to spell it clearly, succinctly.
Like in a flyer.
This is a good topic, thanks. There are many different ways that this corrupt system has played itself out on people, negatively. By ignoring some of those issues, we in effect will not be empathizing with their particular plight, and it will be more difficult to get them on our side. I guess my point is, rather than narrowing our message to 1-3 issues, we should make people realize that there is a broader common denominator to all of our grievances, and that is a government that no longer answers to the people's interests, but instead to corporate, and banking interests. This has all happened through the advancement of neoliberalism for the past 30 plus years.
We also have to realize that many people are not as politically astute as most of us are here, so that means we have to start the process of convincing them as to what has been going on, and how it affects them at a level that they can relate to. I know that, that sounds condascending, but it is not meant to be. There are many very intelligent people who do not understand the corrosive happenings that have taken place in the last 3-4 decades (my sister is one of them), and how it has negatively influenced almost all of our lives.
We need to protest to bring the 99% candidates like pres Obama in line with OWS!
VQkag, If you need to shill for the dems, please do it someplace else!
Your prescription for Occupy Wall Street's success is flawed, and it DEFINITELY is not in line with what this revolution is about
Obama, nor either of the parties are ever going to be in line with OWS because this screwed-up system has too much to lose
We are not looking for answers from these parties, but rather we are looking for their eventual demise, as both parties have betrayed our trust, and have been irreparably corrupted.
We need to continue reaching out, educating people with the goal of restoring the 'outrage' that people once had, and should have again, and we need to protest to make 'them' feel the 'heat' in knowing that we know longer regard this system as 'just' or even legitimate
When they begin to feel the 'warmth,' from people that know how they have been betrayed.... there is no doubt that there will be a few little political victories made by groups within the system. These small capitulations will be made in the hope of us being placated with as little as possible
We however must 'stay the course,' OUTSIDE this putrid system, and keep pushing for a sea change in the way our political, and financial systems are run.
Settling for anything less than systemic change will only mean that our children will be back here doing the same thing that we are doing now.
The difference...our progeny's chances of victory will be far less, as this plutocracy along with the complicit securtiy state will be greatly more entrenched.
We, Occupy Wall Street, and the different groups that want change all have a roll to play in this struggle. YOU VQkag are in the wrong place. You belong in moveon.org, but i strongly suspect if not worse, you are already there.
In any event you should quit trying to make this movement into something it is not, or something it definitely should not be.
~Odin~
I think that a simpler explanation would be that politicians from existing parties are not going to be in line with OWS because they already have their constituencies to answer to. OWS in general can't even agree that voting is a good idea, so they're nobody's constituency. No politician is going to go out of his way to align with a group of people who don't even vote.
OWS not supporting voting simply isn't true
Have you seen the thread proposing that everybody should write "LOVE" on their ballots instead of voting? That was the latest of many. It's full of people rationalizing not voting as a political protest, and that's been a persistent theme here since the beginning.
that is voting
I'd prefer we write NO WAR
Failing to register a vote is not voting, sorry. Were you trying to refute my statement that no politician is going to be responsive to constituents who don't vote? Do you think that people writing "LOVE" and "NO WAR" on ballots instead of voting for them will make them more responsive?
yes
Why would they? That makes no sense. If you don't vote, then from a politician's point of view, you don't exist.
because those people did vote and they didn't get their vote
No, the politicians won't care at all about the people writing "LOVE" on their ballots, because those people aren't voting for the politician's opponents. They're just not voting at all. So they may as well live in Siberia. Politically speaking, people who don't vote just don't exist. You're voluntarily disenfranchising yourself.
missed votes are missed votes
Missed votes don't affect the results and are therefore irrelevant. It's the same as not voting at all.
Thousands and thousands of people fought and died so that you could have the right to political representation, and you're willfully disenfranchising yourself. Aside from being stupid, that's un-American. You're disrespecting all of those people who paid the ultimate price so that you could be represented.
ofcourse, missed voted affect the results
Their "constituencies" are $$$$!
And that's why you need to run your own candidates. Or you could fight for public campaign financing.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/
Of course politicians won't be in line with OWS. OWS believes the system is corrupted and broken beyond repair, politicians are playing inside that system. These are opposite views.
Well no, those don't necessarily have to be opposite views. Take a look at Lawrence Lessig's One Way Forward for more information. It's a really short book. It's worth it, I promise.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/common-ground-one-way-forward-there-should-be-no-c/
You ain't talkin to me! Can't you count? That is a fake login. And I wouldn't say such a partisan statement!
You should know better.
From Bernie Sanders to every OWS/Occupy group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSaZOSWfrU
Sounds like good advice.
There is no doubt that if we had more people like Bernie Sanders (my former Congressman in VT) in political office...we would not be in the shitty situation that we are now in
Bernie however still has faith in this putrid political system. Occupy Wall Street, for good reason does not share his faith in this corrupted system
If we, the defiant OWS were to go the political route now, particularly while this movement is in its infancy, we would be 'swallowed up', and become ineffective
There may be a time when we can enter the system from a position of strength, but that time is far off
Rather than trying to change the course of Occupy Wall Street DK, you, and VQkag should think about fighting this battle in moveon, or the DNC
~Odin~
The system is controlled by people. Take legal control of the people who control the system http://occupywallst.org/forum/freeda-template/ . It can't happen someday if it doesn't start building up now.
Again you speak to limit the actions of OWS and all Occupy movements.
You would do what - continuous protest with no action at making changes?
Seems to me a do nothing position - just get people tired of protesting with no results.
You should stick with supporting street actions - you know the ones that this site promotes on this forum - the ones easily accessible by clicking on the news button - U know the existing bridge to the ground.
Let others who can see more clearly than you continue unmolested by you in their support of OWS and all Occupy movements to effect change.
If you think supporting either corrupt party is "seeing clearly" you need to take another look at the past 30 years.
Did I mention supporting a party? No. I said support issues - like the Move To Amend campaign. I also said look for the individuals who support issues like Move to Amend.
Occupy Wall Street is a defiant movement that is about not only protesting on the streets, but also about organizing at the grass-roots level, and reaching out to the mainstream
These organic tactics is what Occupy Town Square is about, and their formula is starting to be emulated throughout cities in this country for good reason
We do not want to see all of our efforts laid to ruin by people who do not understand our purpose in this struggle
There is however work to be done from our LTs though, so how 'bout you take the 'winter-watch' in the 'streets,' and I will take the 'summer-watch'.... OK?
~Odin~
How about you stick to actually promoting the street actions that are announced by this site and even add some that may have been overlooked - AND leave other OWS/Occupy supporters alone to do their work.
Like I said - you are not the determiner of what is right and good for OWS/Occupy.
No, and neither are you the "determiner of what is right and good for OWS/Occupy."
I will continue to resist both you, and your pal VQkag's efforts to turn this forum/movement into a partisan campaign
Certainly living amongst all the Scandinavians in Minnesota, you know how hard-headed, and determined we can be. You will not have a respite from that obstinacy here, either. You can count on it.
So on that basis, you can be sure, i will be unrelenting in not letting you to change the course of Occupy Wall Street!
Go Vikings....lol...~Odin~
Stay outta my face odin or I will ask 4 U to be Booted Again. The last time you tried to pull your shit with jart - U got Booted - I doubt if it will be any different this time.
That would be jart saying to you that you are wrong - that you are out of line - that would be the same today as it was last time.
So - like I said - start promoting ( as I can't say stick with something you rarely ever do ) street protests and actions and stratagem's.
Leave others alone - OR GET GONE FROM THIS SITE.
"Stay outta my face odin or i will ask 4 U to be Booted Again." lol
Ooooooh oooooo......oh pleeeaaase DK forgive me for not saddling up on your partisan rodeo
I will have to ask jart to boot you if you do not refrain from your bullying tactics, and vicious assaults on people who do not agree with your partisan BS
~Odin~
U R funny - U bully people whose tactics you do not support - and then when U R called on it - U call that individual the Bully.
U R just 2 Funny.
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Odin makes a lot of sense. What he says above is quite right and can be seen at all OWS events. Have you ever attended an OWS event? From your comments, I would assume you haven't. You don't seem to understand that OWS considers the current political system as corrupted and broken beyond repair.
Let me guess, your solution is that we push for the democrats?
I suggest we push issues - like the Move to Amend campaign - and to take note of who in office or running for office supports these issues.
I support OWS. I support tearing down the system. I don't want to legitimize the system with my vote, and I don't want to legitimize a corrupted 1% candidate with my vote. I believe in OWS methods. Thank you for your concern.
"MSM blackout"? I read all about it from multiple different news sources. I read all about the wheelchairs and the Statue of Liberty puppet and the arrests and all of that.
If you're upset that the news wasn't bigger then maybe you should consider that the protests were smaller. The main news has been about how there were only a few hundred protesters this year, compared to thousands last year.
People are afraid of Bloomburg's Goon Squads and they don't want to expose themselves to bodily harm and arrest.That actually will serve our purpose in the end.You'll see.
man you sound good and on point untill you start the line "The possibilities are literally as endless as the list of atrocities perpetrated by Capitalists in their depraved pursuit of profits which has destroyed so many lives around the world and burned American Democracy to the ground" at that point you kinda go off the deep end.
I'm sick of all of this stuff-literally.I have felt physically ill ever since the Iraq war kicked off.And I have hated capitalism since the age of 13
Well you do know you can move to any country that will have you
no-I can't.It would be more practical for you to go to your bathroom and forget I exist while you shower yourself with loving affirmations.
Why not? Is someone holding you back? Sounds like you need some loving affirmations----your good enough, your smart enough and dog gone it people like you! There hope that helps a bit.
For those who wish to escape the evils of global capitalist destruction,there really is no place to go.Please stop responding to my posts-you are uninformed about my personal circumstances and therefore you should not be referring to that at all.Your time would be better spent organizing the resources that will be needed to build internment camps capable of containing 20 million+ desperate impoverished people and death squads capable of killing at least 20 million more.These are the kinds of things that will be required to keep capitalism going-so you need to get busy on those 2 projects because capitalism is not going to be viable unless people have jobs,homes,children and property to protect,and money to spend.Since capitalism has reached the stage in its development where it cannot provide the means to obtain these things to an ever increasing number of Americans,it's only a matter of time.
I bet your a load of fun at children's birthday parties. Your personal situation is important I the conversation you cry about captialism if you hate it so much leaveing would be your only choice. If your as mentally unstable and "sick" you need professional help, I'm sorry you are having those feelings but life will go on.
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