Forum Post: Occupy and Health Care?
Posted 12 years ago on April 4, 2012, 9:58 p.m. EST by bluoxe
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Is there an Occupy consensus about Health Care reform? From a brief search of the forum it seems there isn't, and I can't help but wonder why. While not an "Occupier" I am of the 99% so when thinking about a movement that coalesced around big government bailouts for corporate America and Wall Street, I am surprised Occupy didn't capitalize on the opportunity presented here to help the taxpayer have a voice at the Supreme Court rulings. Health care is rife with inequity so what isn't fair about each and every person having the chance to get health care at a price that is affordable? If the issue of not having health care doesn't strike fear in your heart you must have a job that provides it for you. Lose your job or retire and the government is providing you health care, anyway. What could be more liberating than not having to take health care into consideration when considering employment? AS it is now do we have the real freedom to start our own business or take a work hiatus if health care is on the line? The current system promotes indentured servitude, does it not?
Single-payer. I'm surprised you had to ask.
Protests won't influence the Supreme Court (they just won't).
Leftists love Europe. Here's a way we can be more like them and lower our healthcare costs. Those Europeans are so efficient. If only we could be more like them. Here's how.
http://news.yahoo.com/doctors-call-end-five-cancer-tests-treatments-041258011.html
Of course this was issued by a "private" association of cancer physicians, not the government, not even insurance companies, so I'm not quite sure how you're connecting this to healthcare reform (much less invoking the favorite battle cry of conservatives, oh no, the "Europeans" are coming, they're gonna make us drink wine, speak French, and ration our healthcare) :)
Okay, would you guys be happy if we went back to freedom fries?
Get your "free" healthcare. The line starts over there. LOL.
We don't want to end up like Europe. For example is the horrible state of England's universal healthcare. They will give you surgery and then send you right home. The system does not have enough money to keep patients in the hospital for recovery. Universal healthcare is bad. Also Obamacare is horribly unconstitutional. It forces people to purchase it. Even a good amount of Democrats agree.
Wow, you know, sometimes I believe I could make the right wing argument so much better than any one of you could ever in your wildest fantasies ever make. At least if I was to argue the merits of a free enterprise system and the perils of collectivism, I'd make original claims and stay as far away from talking points as humanly possible. For a faction of the American populous that embraces the autonomous individual, you drones sure parrot one another so very often. It is almost as if you are the Borg, a collective of animations that share one conscious.
Every time I hear an argument against any of the bills that Obama championed, I don't hear real life trials and tribulations, but instead hear lame, regurgitated talking points, such as, what about Europe. Where is the originality from the party of autonomy? Where is the entrepreneurial drive to innovate new arguments designed to enlighten the foolishly ill informed?
No, only words of wisdom that come from the mouths of the conservative electorate, are those that they garnered from their political masters. For a party of free thinking, individualistic nomads, Right wingers sure articulate themselves like a heard of sheep. socialism bah-ah-ah'ed
Ain't that the truth. I've never heard people repeat themselves so much.
"Right" down to the lies and invectives.
It's like a template.
I am right winger as you all like to say but i also like a lot of the things from the left also. I am not against universal heath care per say but having it controlled and regulated by the government is the issue i have. We point to Europe because that is where all these ideals come from and we see them failing there and ask then why do you think it will be different here? We already have two very large social programs that have no money because the Government on both side already spent it all and they will collapse if nothing is done and right now we are taking in less money for one of them right now because of the tax break. and you want to give them more power???
There you go again. That is a cookie cutter example. Why is taking profit out of health care and increasing the number of participants through consolidation become a way to appropriate more power. Am i missing something? You don't honestly believe that all the employees of the universal health care bureaucracy will only vote democrat, hence giving them electoral power over the right?
Also, to any one who knows what is happening in Europe, knows that Europe is in a pickle because Europe listened to the American financial sector. Who monkeyed with Greece's books, creating systemic risk throughout the whole EU?
Just remember all the contracted government employees, Halliburton, XI, and all the private surveillance firms, who are also draining the federal coffers, vote Republican. So if the calculus is as simple as you let on, then I guess I'll vote to see the side of the ledger that has a somewhat good record of accountability get the spoils of democratic warfare. From a personal point of view, My mom, a school teacher, works with Republican teachers. They don't vote Republican because of the money they wish to make, but because of the values the Republican party champion. You know, not everyone is consumed with the unholy dollar.
Why not. it is a good and proven plan that the left use all the time. If you elect this person you might lose your government job, or you might not get the large pension we promised you even if there is not money to be had so we will tax the rich. That will solve everything. I have heard it for 30 years since I cared to listen to both sides.
They are in a pickle because they spent more money then they take in. They promised the everything to the people and in the end found that there was no money to pay for it. Nor the people are pissed and cause the left lied to them and they do not want to give up the things they have. Spain will fall, Italy will fall, Ireland will fall. You left promise to much and can not delver long term.
The idea of the federal govt. giving money to the states and letting them develop their own programs might be the best option. It wold force the states to develop transparency in that they would have to let people know where the money that is appropriated to them is being spent, on what programs and how much. Vermont managed to tackle the problem and provide a plan for their residents at rates the people could afford. They are an example for the rest of the country.
OWS is a disaster - no-one knows anything.
It is hard to have an affordable national healthcare when costs continue to skyrocket. Why is Obama (and before that, Hillary) so hellbent on having a health care system now. What is the problem with trying to lower the cost of healthcare first, from the ground on up, then incorporate a national system? Here could be some ideas:
Obama is being diplomatic. To tell millions of Medicaid recipients that there is no money to keep funding their health care would create national riots. This way, in a smooth way, he says look, everyone will have health care, let's just revise it so that everyone will have something. It seems more fair that way. The pharmaceutical companies make 400% profit, they are right up there with the oil companies when it comes to profit, they have deep pockets and strong lobbyists in Washington, they will not take less money. They even fight against natural alternatives and went after the vitamin and herbal industry who they felt were cutting into their profits. I disagree with putting a cap on the medical malpractice awards, people have to be held accountable, and if fear makes the Dr.'s and hospitals do their jobs with more attention to not making mistakes and that is the only way to force them to check and double check what they are doing, then let them worry and take the time to do their job the best way possible. It's a sad and sorry state of affairs for lawsuits to be the motivation for providing clinical excellence but it that is what it takes, oh well....
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Most of us on the forum are for some kind of single payer, or national health care system.
You must not have looked very hard, or are easily fooled by troll posts.
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