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Forum Post: Obama's hard line forces Rs to give up on the debt ceiling

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 18, 2013, 11:11 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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for at least 3 months

Let's hope Harry Reid get tough with a REAL gun ban & filibuster reform



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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 5 years ago

The Debt is a Scam to steal wealth and opportunity away from the people.

Real monetary reform is needed. The current debt based system ensures debt will be forever.

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

Yes, they have decided to force the Senate to actually pass a budget,. SOmething that hasn;t been done for 3 yrs, even tho it is required by law. The budgets that Obama has sent to the Senate during his reign haven';t gotten ONE vote. That's right, Lew's budgets have never gotten ONE Democratic vote. And now he's gonna be sectres.

Anyway, the R's have decided it's time Obama had a budget. Most people who are in debt have them, shouldn't we? Funny how the MSM never mentions the fact we haven't had a budget during most of Obama's reigh.

[-] -2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

Obama submitted a budget - it is complete on the WH web site
House Rs cannot force the "Senate to actually pass a budget"
"MSM never mentions the fact we haven't had a budget"
I've heard it many times on MSNBC

If you are going to spew lies from faux noose talking points,
try to find the two or three that are the truth

[-] 2 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

Obama has submitted budgets but, as I said, NOT ONE DEMOCRAT has voted in favor of any of them since 2009, the last time we had one.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

In order to vote, the speaker must present it to the house

[-] 0 points by Buttercup (1067) 5 years ago

The so-called budgets by the Pres. that recieved zero votes from Democrats were nothing but sham budgets written by Republicans, sponsored by Republicans. Which is why no Democrat voted for them.

This has been explained ad nauseam.


And to your earlier comment regarding the Senate passing a budget. Unless the House passes a budget, the Budget Control Act 2011, covers 2012 and 2013.

Add: FY09 was covered by Pres. Bush legislation enacted in 2008. The first year a Pres.is in office is always under the prior Pres. budget. In 2009 the Pres. signed the Consolidated Appropriations Act for FY10. 2011 did not have a full budget. Just CR and appropriations which held to 2010 levels or lower. The Senate did not allow any new appropriations. And the Budget Control Act 2011, covers FY12 and FY13.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

Media Matters makes Fox news seem non partisan! The last budget that was enacted happened in early 09 it was not Bush's budget. Continuing Resolutions are no way to run a govt.

Media Matters?? Really? I skim the site occassionally when I am looking for a good laugh or see the WH spin. Been looking there lately to see their response to Frontline';s Untouchables or Hannity;s Boomtown. Boomtown is really something everyone should watch. It's an amazingly non partisan look at how corrupt the business of govt has become, Anyway, nothing but crickets on MM about them.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 5 years ago

the budget is a scam. A budget puts a limit on the needs of society and bases the budget on a fraudulent system.

True monetary reform would take us away from these limits and allow our society to prosper. Real monetary reform would be better than the New Deal and would allow us to build much needed infrastructure and supply jobs to people everywhere. It would also take us away from the current debt based system that allow banks to destroy the economy.

Corporate and bank sponsored politricks will not push real solutions like this.

We need legislation like the National Economic Employment Defense Act

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 5 years ago

I think much of this is beyond average comprehension. Last year Tres bought up most of its bonds; what did they buy them with? More debt to the American people.

What we do understand is that easy lending falsely inflated the price of homes and eventually landed many in the streets. We understand upwards of a 50% loss in investment and that there is no safe haven for disposable income - the banks are charging more for deposits than they grant in interest, while the dollar continues to devalue.

We understand that Federal student loans are no longer Federal and that banks are demanding upwards of 7.9% interest. And that we are not permitted to file bankruptcy on these student loans.

We understand that municipalities nationwide are heavily indebted and that even civil service employment offers no security while tech and manufacturing jobs continue to leave this country.

And that the corporations that are directly responsible for all of this are now once again profiting tremendously.

We understand that this government has sold its people - of all ethnicity - down the river.

Ok, so we have no debt ceiling... what does that mean? Nobody knows... it simply means, at the present, that Republicans will not have a means of denying funds to causes or interests they do not support.