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Forum Post: Not Voting for Obama

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 25, 2012, 4:35 p.m. EST by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA
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By Margeret Kimberly

Two weeks before Election Day, most polling indicates that Barack Obama has sufficient support to win an electoral college victory. If the past four years are any indication, that victory will do little to help the millions of people who put Obama in office. His claims of success are either dubious or obviously harmful for people in this country and around the world.

The health care plan is a great unknown, not the Medicare for all that we need, but a bail out of the private insurance companies who have created the health care crisis in the first place. The war in Iraq which Obama brags about ending would have ended no matter who was in office because Bush signed an agreement mandating the departure of most combat troops. Obama has used the Federal Reserve to bail out the banks to the tune of 16 trillion dollars.

The three presidential debates between Obama and Mitt Romney showed more agreement than disagreement. Obama proclaimed that he and Romney probably agreed about Social Security, that is to say, both think it should be on the budgetary chopping block. Romney was forced to say during the third debate on foreign policy that he agreed with the president on crushing the Iranian economy or killing people with drones or thousands of Syrians in an effort to over throw their president. Given this degree of collusion, why would it be so terrible if Obama lost? His supporters argue that the end is near if Mitt Romney is inaugurated in January 2013. They point out that he would overturn Roe v. Wade and appoint conservatives to the federal judiciary. He has said that he will repeal the Obama health care plan, but the benefits of “Obamacare” are unknown and it isn‘t clear what sort of repeal Romney would enact when he pushed through a nearly identical plan in Massachusetts.

As we have pointed out in Black Agenda Report, it is a lack of progressive activism which has precipitated this crisis. In the absence of strong and coordinated opposition to Democratic Party duplicity, progressives meekly go along with whatever bad deals are presented to them and then recoil in fear every four years when they are told that the barbarians are at the gate. Republicans only help make the case for this complicity with openly racist and misogynistic policies.

Now that the White House has publicly announced a continuation of its kill list program, complete with an Orwellian term “disposition matrix” used to justify murder, it is time to question all of the assumptions which lead us to the polls and guide us how to vote. It is obvious that Obama and the Democrats are not the lesser of two evils. They are just the more effective evil, having made their evil more palatable to their supporters. The ever-rightward moving shift of the Democrats has brought us to this juncture, where we are told to fear Republicans who are more radical on social issues precisely because the Democrats have copied them in every other aspect. If Democrats also believe in wars of aggression and bail outs and subservience to finance capital, Republicans are only left with abortion and gay marriage as issues to differentiate themselves.

Progressives are protecting less and less with each election cycle. The winner-take-all electoral system makes other parties irrelevant and relegates them to spoiler status, but the argument against supporting them is weaker as the system deteriorates. The argument that voting changes nothing for the average person is a valid one, and the sight of Romney and Obama declaring agreement on the issues of empire and finance makes that point quite clearly.

We are left with a plea to honor the memories of those who sacrificed, sometimes with their lives, during the freedom struggles of the 1960s. But those people fought and died for full citizenship rights, of which voting was just a part. No one today should worry about dishonoring or dismissing their sacrifice by refusing to take part in the farce that national elections have now become.

It is acceptable not to vote at all, or to vote for someone other than Barack Obama. Some who claim to be leftists argue against particular Obama policies only to conclude at election time that he should be elected anyway. These people undercut their own arguments and make a mockery of themselves. Their pleas to stop surveillance or drone assassinations or the destruction of nations such as Libya and Syria become hollow because they refuse to acknowledge the corruption that is an integral part of the system.

Arguing for the re-election of a person who so clearly is a danger to the nation and to the world is at best illogical, and at worst is immoral. The time for defending tiny victories should end. Barack Obama and the Democrats should know that their critics mean business, and will cease supporting them. Racist statements from right wing pundits and bizarre statements about rape and pregnancy shouldn’t fool anyone into supporting policies that are wrong for this country and for the world. On November 6th it is perfectly acceptable, morally right, and politically principled to boycott the election or to vote for a party other than the Democrats. Hand wringing about a Romney victory is mostly phony, and geared to keep progressives silent in the face of each new assault. Obama may win after all, but it shouldn’t be because people who claim to be on the left are complicit and a party to his wrongdoing.




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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Will you admit that there are ONLY TWO people who can be our next president?
And then tell me 3 issues where willard will do better that Obama? Can you do that?

[-] 2 points by lancealotlink (147) 1 year ago

I suggest you look at the person you might be helping to elect. Frankly I find the idea of putting a republican back in office terrifying and horrific for the poor.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Talking about bombs...

8 more years of RepubliCon Rule and we'll be eating bombs and each other!

You know who REALLY supports Voting for 3rd party??? RepubliCons and their 1% Bosses!!!


[-] 2 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Instead of boycotting I believe finding someone to support who is running against the two parties. Right now we have deluded ourselves into thinking only a dem or rep can win. Even if obama or romney win if enough people vote third party it's possible to take some states. Then we can turn that around and take on the the two parties in the 2014 elections.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You know, you seem like a really smart guy, so I'm sure you'll recognize the awesome deal I'm offering just to you! Wanna buy a bridge?

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

Why would anyone boycott? At least vote for a person running not sponsored by corruption... send a shock to the system.

They're not going to try and earn your vote if you just give it to them or plan on never voting. They're going to try and earn your vote when they realize you're trying to vote for someone else.

[-] 1 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

I agree. We've had a majority of the electorate not vote for decades and look what it got us. A democratic party that is closer to the reps of 40 years ago and a republican party that is so far right it is scary. And the rightward drift will continue _ntil we show both parties that we are wilking and able to kick their asses out of office.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

if the nonvoters voted, they'd outvote the D vote or the R vote

this is a fact which makes me not understand people who do not vote.

I have a few friends that didn't want to vote. I talked them into voting for the people I like. I now basically have 4 votes.

[-] 3 points by NVPHIL (664) 1 year ago

Every vote counts. If everyone who sees the corruption can convince 3 people who then go and convince their friends then the dem and reps will lose there base and upcoming elections. Until then we will have to deal with the trolls who say voting for who you believe is unamerican. And that right there shows the depths that we have sunk to as a nation.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

well said

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 1 year ago

We're home free now!

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

what if Obama loses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote?

It would be so fun to see the repubs and demos flip/flop sides on the issue.

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 1 year ago

Yeah that would be pretty funny. I'm not really emotionally invested in this election but I gotta admit it warms my heart to see republicans dejected

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

I'm pretty invested. I just want our country to stop bombing others. That would warm my heart. But I know our country will be bombing others in 2013 because people refuse to vote to end the wars.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2040) 1 year ago

There is a real difference between Obama and Romney. It's the elephant in the room that no one is willing to admit to. The difference is as big as black and white. Well it is black and white. Imagine how all those red neck, tea bagging, commie-hating racists will be gloating if Romney wins. Will you be able to stand it? So, much for equality. That goes down the drain. That is what this election for many people is unfortunately really about.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

My instincts tell me to vote state and local people but not for president.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2040) 1 year ago

Ugly truth is no matter what you do with your vote, it won't matter. If Romney or Obama wins its going to be bad, and nobody other than either of them two will win. Everything else, 3d party options, no votes, et. al. will get washed under the rug. So we're screwed. So, with our votes effectively discounted, we need to be figuring out what to do beyond the electoral process to start getting things turned around?

[-] 2 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 1 year ago

If there are so few of us that all of us voting for a third party wont make a difference, than we have no clame to make changes. I believe we are the majority and I will do my part and vote.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2040) 1 year ago

In my state there are only two people on the ballot for President. (You can guess who.) Look at years past. How much percent of the vote did third party candidates get? Except for maybe Ross Perot, nobody in my lifetime, (and I'm not all that young) got more that a few percent. If we third party thinkers really were the majority, there would have been a third party candidate in the White House long ago. There comes a time when we need to take a reality check, and honestly see what cards are in our hands, and then play the best we can. But please do vote as you like. I will. All I'm saying is voting is not a significant factor on the road to real change.

[-] 1 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 1 year ago

A lot of what you say is correct. But the only real hope I see is changing the mind set that there are only two options when it is clearer than it ever has been in this country that both dominant partys serve one intrest group and it is not the american People. The lesser of two evils is destroying this nation and the world. While your hear and when your in other social networks pick up the pen of battle and convince others to stand for justice and not for party lest another tool of battle is forced upon us.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2040) 1 year ago

There is also this business of building alternative governing systems, alternative monetary systems, and alternative business systems, undercutting the status quo where possible, getting alternative thinkers into non-elected government positions, and establish the concept of community, etc. There is much to do. Politicians and money only have power because we give it to them.

[-] 0 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 1 year ago

Winning a particular election isn't the only benefit of voting third party. Every vote helps lay the groundwork to build alternative parties and a good showing may well pull the major parties further in the direction we want them to go.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2040) 1 year ago

Let's get real. Check out my comment above.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

You know who REALLY supports Voting for 3rd party??? RepubliCons and their 1% Bosses!!!



[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

"On November 6th it is perfectly acceptable, morally right, and politically principled to boycott the election or to vote for a party other than the Democrats."

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Only if you are a RepubliCon Zombie.

Otherwise, not so much

[-] 0 points by Ballard916 (7) from Cawker City, KS 2 years ago

Occupy has no political affiliation, why are you posting this.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

Because, like you, we are not "Occupy"! Nice try, troll!

[-] 0 points by Postman0917 (-46) 2 years ago

Because its the truth? -and this corrupt 2party system needs to be exposed for what it is? -because this country is going to hell in a handbasket if we don't wake up?

[-] 1 points by Ballard916 (7) from Cawker City, KS 2 years ago

I actually didn't read your post, I'm sick of the election.

[-] -1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

" If the past four years are any indication, that victory will do little to help the millions of people who put Obama in office. "

Don't you think resolving the repub created great recession had to be dealt with before all the hard work of economic equality for Americans begins?

How could we begin that work while the economy was in free fall?

[-] 0 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 1 year ago

By creating jobs in this country. But nooo, that would take profit away from the corporations and we cant have that. Yay two partys!! LOL

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Didn't the Pres Obama/Dems push jobs bills (infrastructure bank, green tech, vet jobs)?

And didn't repubs obstruct.? Didn't state repubs also fire almost a million public sector jobs.?

The problem is the repubs obstruction and anti 99% policies. You wanna seemore rogress?

Replace pro 1% conservatives w/ pro 99% progressives & protest for change that benefits the 99%.


[-] -2 points by Postman0917 (-46) 2 years ago

Why would anyone want to censure the exposing of a corrupt system? Occupy is about (or should be about) exposing corruption on ALL levels, social, economic "and" poltical. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1931) from Cornelius, OR 1 year ago

"Occupy is about" throwing off the 1% tyranny over the 99%. The 1% owns the RepubliCon Cult. Dems (like everyone else, aren't perfect) but they are the only viable opposition. And, contrary to the GOP campaign propaganda here, Dem policies are anathema to 1%-RepubliCon policies. So don't drink the Koolaid.

You know who REALLY supports Voting for 3rd party??? RepubliCons and their 1% Bosses!!!