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Forum Post: No one can dispute it. Does that mean everyone agrees?

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 23, 2013, 1:35 a.m. EST by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB
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I find it hard to believe you don't have the time to do this... to support THE BEST SOLUTION to create the future we want. http://groupspaces.com/99Conglomerate/emails/328503

Make a little effort so that this can become a reality. Many of you agree it's a great idea. No one has brought forth any comparison. I'm still waiting... http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/the-99-conglomerate-may-be-the-best-strategy/

It applies to pretty much every post on this forum, as it's truly the best way to right the wrongs that keep you up at night. Better than writing letters, debating different sides of surface issues, creating justification for a police state. (I'm not saying stop doing these things.) http://occupywallst.org/forum/problems-ill-explain-how-the-99-conglomerate-can-s/

Still skeptical?

What do you think Wolff or Chomsky might think about the 99% Conglomerate. They would support it, wouldn't they? Let's get this to the point where they're talking about it. Where might things go from there?

Back to Topic References: http://occupywallst.org/forum/conglomerate-and-dgrc-topic-references/

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[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

SPECIFICALLY-
what will this solve that will NOT be solved by severing
capitalism from democracy
so that the 1% no longer owns America

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Well, aside from this being an effortless, resistance-free way to get America to the point where everyday people who still cling to the American Dream will accept the change (severing of capitalism from democracy), maybe very little.

That's not quite the end goal for me personally though. My final destination goes beyond the removal of capitalism. I'm looking forward to the removal of money altogether, the end of the money-based system and on to a resource-based system. It's way down the road but I think we'll get there eventually.

So to answer your question more concisely, this I believe is the most efficient vehicle to get to where you wish to be.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

names and reference to it

without referring to what it is

describe your links

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Oops, replied to myself!

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

http://groupspaces.com/99Conglomerate/

If you browse a bit it should make sense, but if something is missing I can fill it in in a bit. Just a bit busy atm.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm not seeing the open community spirit that such an effort requires for transparency.

You want names and numbers, then first things first. Identify yourself, where you are at, and what you propose to do with the site.

[-] -1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Did you find me yet?

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Everything depends on the individual deciding that they are going to be active. You dont need all of them. but you need at least 1/3.

[-] -1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

The Conglomerate needs you and everyone else. We shouldn't stop until 99% of the world abides.

[-] -2 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

Can you provide me with your name, address, phone number, and email? I would like to contact you in person. Please post that information here. Thanks. Once you do, I'm sure others will follow.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

That won't help you understand who I am. You won't learn anything important about me with that info. You can send me messages here obviously if you want to chat. Its not about me, I have nothing personal to gain with this. I don't want recognition.

[+] -4 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

I don't want your data to give you recognition, I want to perform a background check to see if you're trustable, or if you're just trying to create a database of known occupiers. Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I see what you're saying but not interested at all in a database of occupiers. I want to make 99% of the world become occupiers.

[+] -4 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

So I should give you my info just like that? Without you sharing yours? Even my 18 year old naive girlfriend doesn't play like that.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

78 years old with an 18 year old girlfriend.

Must be nice, if you like heart attacks.

[+] -6 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

I see you have never read literature. Read up on metaphors, and other types of figures of speech. By reading literature and poetry, you will render your mind more flexible giving you the ability to stretch your imagination a little further than cold literal interpretations of the robotic genre.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Obfuscations and lies are all I need to know when it comes to communicating with you.

Eely would be a good poetic descriptor.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I don't need your info. Just your Subsidiary's info. It doesn't have to link to any of your identities.

[+] -4 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

Oh. Here's my company http://www.shadz.co.nz/

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

stinky... you let one go, oldJohn. Oh I get it, and old john would stink!

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

So should we make Shadz one of the first Phase 1 Subsidiaries? If not, please explain why and I'll respond with complete sincerity. I'm sure any reason you give, I can convince you otherwise.

[+] -4 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

Yes, we should.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Sounds like the ideal candidate.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Because of that POS 'Trashy' my name is being usurped, lol & Grrrrrr !!! As y'all can guess I'm NOT a chick or a haidresser from New Zealand but he's searching the web for stuff on us all for sure !! So, fair enough - anyone else got 'bad boy' acquaintances in Lombok or Surabaya ?! If so PM me - we should talk & send a scouting party to Bali ... before the fucker returns to North America !!! I am NOT kidding here but I'm also busy on 'Madrid LiveStream' right now because I like the Spanish and their cojones !

paz y luz ...

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Not really. I just have to scratch your name off my list for hair coloring tips. Your just Shadz that isn't a hairdresser. :D

It just occurred to me that what I wrote above could be misconstrued to mean that I thought you were Thras. I didn't.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Yep, you're right - "not really" - but I was with that name way before that salon in NZ opened and now I feel sullied and usurped, so may as well blame the House-Troll for that too, lol. Also, he found it a long time ago & he (or possibly IronButtBruce!) have used it before & one of these wannabe-bodysnatchers, has a 'shads66' moniker !!! I mean how'd you like a 'GirlFwiday' clone ?!! Not that anyone would dare of course, lol !! While here in reply, I draw your attention to :

PS : Re. Hair Tips @ Girls - STOP putting all those chemicals in your hair & only use baby shampoo !!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

In the US, too, the central bank holds the key to recovery. Only it can create more credit for the broad economy. But reversing recession has taken a backseat to resuscitating zombie banks, maintaining the feudal dominion of a private financial oligarchy.

Ya, and this we have discussed multiple times. Thanx for the link

PS : I haven't started putting chemicals in my hair. Yet.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I understand that henna is safe and natural to use - and I am almost vain enough about my looks to try it. LOL

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22966) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 minutes ago The odds of me staying in one place for a couple hours are going to be nil.

Huh??? Ya mean that ya can't just wash and go? Yah I would not spend a couple of hours on it either.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


I just looked it up and first you have to put it on a small piece of hair to see how long it would need to stay in 2-4 hours but you have to figure out how long it needs to stay in. Then you have to do your entire hair for however long you figured out before hand. Ya, I'm all good.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yup - the natural look for me as well. {:-])

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

lol I was just kidding. The odds of me staying in one place for a couple hours are going to be nil.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The odds of me staying in one place for a couple hours are going to be nil.

Huh??? Ya mean that ya can't just wash and go? Yah I would not spend a couple of hours on it either.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Just as I suspected, you're a Kiwi, and a good looking one at that

Your posts have always gotten me excited, but now it will be in a whole different way lol

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

LOL - I ain't a Kiwi & I ain't a chick !!! Here's what 'Kiwi Chicks' look like : http://tinyurl.com/bcvs6gj & although I'm not claiming to be good looking at all - I look better than that, I would like to think, lolol !!

Steady on there shipmate - have you been a long time at sea, lolol ?!

dux femina facti ?!

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Kiwis (the birds)...hmmm, just realized where the down-under slang term for women might have come from... are cute little buggers

My Sunday Occupy Community Nautical Analogy - purpose - build Community, and remind everyone to have fun and enjoy life

The voyage across the TPP Pacific was tumultuous....we weren't paying attention.... (bad seamanship &

citizenship as well),... and we ran smack into Cyclone Neoliberalism....the seas were tremendous .....40-50..

ft, causing incredible pitching and panting of the ship.....and much stress and even injuries to the crew as well.

Finally we reach Christchurch, The Garden City in The Land of The Long White Cloud, New Zealand .....and

the crew decides by ..'consensus' ...of course!.. to finally do the right thing....to take a direct action...and errrr...

go up & get hammered...a piss up Down Under...... followed by a chicker at Shadz! lololol

Hey I know.... I know.... I need some fresh air and excercise.....it's early yet....just building COMMUNITY here...and getting warmed up for oldJohn...see ya later

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

In solidarity to you, OTS & OWS, from 'OccupyLondon' :

I quite liked your poetic musings. You're a talker and a walker but oldJohn is the stalker, lol.

Btw, I'm thinking that it's probably a good thing that I don't know what "a chicker" means lol !

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 3 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

That's a cool little book, I have saved it, thanks..Occupy London

"Chicker"..it's benign, not uncouth like 'shaggy' could be...it's Cockney slang for haircut,... this is a world-wide rev u know

Errr...did i finally stump the stumper.. a Brit on his own culture?...yooo hooo!

It makes up for the many, many times the boot was on the other foot, and hey

How 'bout those valedictory Latin phrases...thems always been perplexing to me...U may B following a compliment to me with something antonym[ous]... who would know?....not me... lol

Back to work...Solidarity shadz....Aotearoa & Occupy World

~Odin~

[-] 8 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Why Should Taxpayers Give Big Banks $83 Billion a Year ?" :

From which : "The top five banks - JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. - - account for $64 billion of the total subsidy, an amount roughly equal to their typical annual profits. In other words, the banks occupying the commanding heights of the U.S. financial industry -- with almost $9 trillion in assets, more than half the size of the U.S. economy - would just about break even in the absence of corporate welfare. In large part, the profits they report are essentially transfers from taxpayers to their shareholders."Beyond outrageous in anyone's book !

Re. the Latin, I'm always happy to translate & mainly use stock phrases that will copy paste unto a search engine and/or Google translate. For the record, I came across Latin while studying French at school and never had a Latin lesson in my life but picked up some stock phrases and aphorisms from the back of dictionary while strapped to a bed in traction after a car accident when I was much younger.

Toa Aotearoa !!! Kia Ora Odin !! & re. the latin above, 'truth from absurdity' and below, 'love of money is the root of all evil' & thus also ; "Emails Prove JPMorgan Committed Massive Mortgage Fraud" :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 1 year ago

Cheers Odin

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

On your very good links, i wish i had a better grasp of economics as you and other posters on here have, but i will answer from a human level

I found it interesting and encouraging that these reports came from Bloomberg News

Grown children can have an enormous positve influence on their parents as I know because they have not been hardened by life

At the risk of sounding incredibly naieve, maybe just maybe Bloomberg's daughter has had a more positive influence on her Dad than JP's daughter had on her Dad.....?

~Odin~

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

To dovetail with and compliment : "Why Should Taxpayers Give Big Banks $83 Billion a Year ?" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34078.htm please take some time to listen to :

Re. JP's daughter - you got me befuddled there but solidarity to you and yours 'O' & all @ OTS & I can NOT recommend the above 8 min. video enough also highly recommend :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. It proves the point that from tragic things that happen in one's life, good things can come out of it, for you ...learning Latin while in traction

That same principle is true for society on the whole....good things can come out of tragedies if people posess the mettle to make it so. Wouldn't you say?

Thanks for the links. I'm going to look at them now

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Ha, I was waiting for your comment on this!

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Only when the time was right, could I do so, lol - not to mention having the energy and motivation & also please closely consider :

fiat lux ...

[+] -6 points by oldJohn (-646) 1 year ago

A simple joke and you make threats of violence? Really? That's illegal my friend, and certainly not in the spirit of Occupy. You should use arguments when you disagree with someone, there's no need to gather thugs to hurt or kill your opponent. What you did there is a public call for physical violence on my person. I could have you arrested for that.

[-] 7 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

'Tr@shy' - These "threats of violence" are in your mind - I'm advocating gripping you, lashing you to a coconut tree and engaging you in direct, sustained, voluble, re-education - FOR YOUR OWN GOOD !!!

Want to file a complaint against me ?! Go ahead, I'm interested in the jurisdiction you'll be appealing to, let alone the grounds for complaint ?!! Also, do I get to counter claim on behalf of the forum, lololol ?!!!

You've been running amok on these threads, researching folk, trying to glean intelligences, usurping ex-posters (TIOUISE, Proteus & a bit laughably - even signing of as ~Odin~), whispering here, stirring there - all for purposes that are not good & I and others, speculate you're in league with 'counter-revolutionary' elements - and what ?! You expect no repercussions ?!! That is NOT how karma works Trashy !!!

What would you know about "the spirit of Occupy"? & here's one for u to read, reflect & ruminate upon :

"Troops who express ethical or spiritual problems have long been told to see the chaplain. Chaplains see troops struggling with moral injury "at the micro level, down in the trenches," says Lt. Col. Jeffrey L. Voyles, licensed counselor and supervisor at the Army chaplain training program in Fort Benning, Georgia. A soldier wrestling with the right or wrong of a particular war zone event might ask: "Do I need to confess this?"

temet nosce ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

May your efforts for reeducation of the trashy be blessed. Maybe it will leave and start it's own forum rather then continue to be a pain in the ass here.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Whether he knows it or not & whether we always get it or not - he serves a purpose here sometimes. I cant't go into it too much and he'll get off on it too lol - but please look up "agon" & in the meantime, to follow the link above, I append for you and others :

"Smart and provocative young veteran, Wray Harris, unlocks the sufferings served by the Iraq war. - This close up of PTSD is something every American should see. Mr. Harris impresses me as an intelligent and thoughtful person going through hell yet willing to help others understand the evils of war." (Veterans for Peace Chapter 1011).

fiat pax ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Excellent documentary.

Open & Honest & Righteously ANGRY & Conflicted.

I predict that many will have a hard time viewing the full program - their loss as there is much information shared that needs to be considered by everyone.

One statement made a couple of times through the program that I agree with = Dead Politicians NOT Dead Soldiers.

Why would I agree with that? Because it is the politicians that declare war - it is the politicians that fail their people and send them off to die - in these current times - For WHAT ? - PROFITS/MONEY/RESOURCES/GREED - not for humanitarian concerns or they would not be killing civilians wholesale - NO - they would be bringing in aid to make those societies better healthier prosperous - they would not be sending death.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Sigh, "many will have a hard time viewing the full program " - yep & also for later reflection :

"We must not allow the perpetrators of the Iraq War to rewrite history. Their actions and the consequences of their actions must be remembered in infamy. We must not forget the sacrifice of our soldiers, and the lives of over one million innocent Iraqi civilians". Subsequently, please also consider :

"As our government was making a fraudulent case to attack Iraq in 2002-2003, the MSNBC television network was doing everything it could to help, including booting Phil Donahue and Jeff Cohen off the air. The Donahue Show was deemed likely to be insufficiently war-boosting and was thus removed 10 years ago next week, and 10 days after the largest antiwar (or anything else) demonstrations in the history of the world, as a preemptive strike against the voices of honest peaceful people."

"From there, MSNBC proceeded to support the war with mild critiques around the edges, and to white-out the idea of impeachment or accountability."

bellum se ipsum alet ?

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. All three links were very good reads. Some of the cops in the NYPD can be real assholes, and instigate trouble

I've seen people slammed to the ground while being arrested for a peaceful direct action, and i have a friend who was grabbed from behind while not taking part in a direct action, and arrested...probable reason?.....he was an organizer

While i do not look forward to it, I know that it is inevitable, and necessary as well

Recently a young woman got up at a meeting, and announced that she had not had the opportunity to take part in many OWS events. Reason - she is one of key members on the jail support team. No one else got an ovation except for her. She exemplifies the word... Solidarity. To be honest, I have only done jail support once which was the high-point of S17 - '12 for me, and it is something that I want to do more of as I realize how important it is.

It is not surprising to me that a DC lobbying firm got an $850,000 contract to sully OWS, and it is yet another sign of THEM being worried as the cracks in neoliberalism are getting bigger and bigger

"Year after year, election cycle after election cycle, Washington's political class has revealed whose interests it serves. Accordingly let the 1% and their political operatives continue on their present myopic, self-serving, societal-decimating course: By doing doing so, they will just bring more outraged people into the streets and hasten their undoing."....Phil Rockstroh

"The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free." Utah Phillips

Viva la Occupy Wall Street..........~Odin~

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The legalization of using psychological warfare on the population of the USA by our government of the USA was only an after the fact approval of what has been going on for decades.


[-] 2 points by shadz66 (11232) 0 minutes ago

Sigh, "many will have a hard time viewing", yep & also for later reflection :

"Hubris : Selling the Iraq War" (Video Documentary) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VEGhcaw3AQ ,

As seen on MSNBC, Hosted by Rachel Maddow.

"We must not allow the perpetrators of the Iraq War to rewrite history. Their actions and the consequences of their actions must be remembered in infamy. We must not forget the sacrifice of our soldiers, and the lives of over one million innocent Iraqi civilians."

Subsequently, please also consider :

"Hubris Isn't the Half of It", by David Swanson : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34020.htm ,

"As our government was making a fraudulent case to attack Iraq in 2002-2003, the MSNBC television network was doing everything it could to help, including booting Phil Donahue and Jeff Cohen off the air. The Donahue Show was deemed likely to be insufficiently war-boosting and was thus removed 10 years ago next week, and 10 days after the largest antiwar (or anything else) demonstrations in the history of the world, as a preemptive strike against the voices of honest peaceful people."

"From there, MSNBC proceeded to support the war with mild critiques around the edges, and to white-out the idea of impeachment or accountability."

bellum se ipsum alet ? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Agon = good one. Much appreciation.

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. As your link implied, The tide's turning.

The RESISTANCE and the feeling of EMPOWERMENT are growing

Most of us know, "The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free."....Utah Phillips

The OUTRAGE is reserved for our oppressor, and it lies just under the surface of a people who know that UNITY is essential in waging OUR righteous struggle

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Replying here. The third, Occupied Stories link captured the essence of what doing Jail Support is about, and how important it is. So from that link;

...."I think the people with the courage to accept arrest placed their entire beings in danger for all of us."...

..."They took the risk of being arrested, and in spite of the extreme difficulties they faced all around them, they experienced so much love and support from their Occupy friends. I can't help feeling that for those who were arrested, their work will continue with a new sense of urgency and commitment."

No bullshit....doing Jail Support was by far and away my most rewarding experience in Occupy. Being able to be there for someone who sacificed their freedon, and well-being for OUR cause is beautiful. It really is.

I know that it is not easy to face the risk of arrest for standing up for what you believe in, as I have not been arrested yet either. It is however necessary in OUR struggle

All I can say is...courage begets courage

Solidarity shadz......~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Viva Los Indignados !!! Viva Jail Support !! Viva OWS !

Solidarity and here's why we do what we do :

vox populi vox dei ...

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

I have to disagree.

There is no reason to break any laws in this struggle for fairness.

Anyone who does.. will be arrested , and find no support from me.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I really like what I have seen of Rachel's broadcasts.

"Hubris : Selling the Iraq War" [44.10] : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VEGhcaw3AQ {Video Documentary as seen on MSNBC, Hosted by Rachel Maddow}.


Watching now.

BTW - TWEETED

Hubris: Selling the Iraq War - MSNBC Documentary FULLY Revealed by Rache...: http://youtu.be/_VEGhcaw3AQ via @youtube FOOD4THOUGHT pls SHARE

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

TWEETED

Video - Authority & Expectations - This close up of PTSD is something every American should see. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34069.htm#.USpiwrx7838.twitter FOOD4THOUGHT


Watching now.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (24955) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Message received in the clear 5 by 5 and understood. Agreement with comment and appreciation for the follow-up link.

Keep-on Keeping-on.

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Had to answer here. William Black is like a breath of fresh air in the midst of a lot of long winded polluted air. I'm glad that information came out on Bloomberg Business News, as for most people it adds more credence to it

And no more 'befuddlement' from me, at least for a while

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Prof. Wm. Black - "We've Decriminalized Fraud" :

Professor William Black is a former bank regulator and professor of law and economics, he says, "Outright fraud caused the great recession and they are able to do it now with impunity. Each crisis is getting bigger by an order of magnitude." Meaning the next financial meltdown is assured to be much greater that the last. Solidarity 'O' in all your good doings and for other relevant links, please also see :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

I replied on your other thread mostly, but I will add that

Gradually the mainstream is realizing that the 2008 meltdown was brought on by fraud....pure and simple...., and that epiphany only bodes well for our struggle

On a lighter note, I had the chance to pay off my debt tonight in NYC

A promised (by me) two pitchers of beer for a buddy... for having stood up for what he believed in.....and suffering the consequences was cashed in for two dinners for him and one of our lovely 'comrades'....still not accustomed to that word

The conversation and camaraderie were great as we talked about M23 and our collaboration with the Rolling Jubilee, and May Day

We were joined in the diner by 6 NYPD who sat behind us, and across from us......with two guitar-like cases.....hmmmm

That downside was canceled out by my friends only having appetizers, so I saved some big bucks...lol

~Odin~

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

"Gradually the mainstream is realizing that the 2008 meltdown was brought on by fraud....pure and simple...., and that epiphany only bodes well for our struggle" - amen 'comrade' (& get used to it ;-) Also here or elsewhere please be sure to tell us more re. M23 & you know what they say about the 'NYPD' innit ?! Not Your Police Dept. !! Many a truth in jest etc. after Bloombutt called them his "private army"!!!

"The whole issue about whether the United States has a debt problem is largely fictitious."

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Repling here. I like this guys summation,"If Mr Goldstein knew anything about money and debt, he wouldn't have anything to do with the University of Chicago to begin with."

Even though we still lack the numbers we need in the streets, this rev is coming along nicely

Can you feel the nervous fidgeting 'they' must be experiencing with every revelation of truth that comes out? I can.

PERSEVERANCE is the key though

I'll keep you updated on M23, although right now we are just talking about linking with other affinity groups, logistics,

And deciding such 'subversive' things as to whether we are going to have chile and rice...or pasta salad

Altho not mentioned earlier, the planning for May Day has also started & the energy there was incredible

Thanks for all your great posts & your Solidarity from across the Big A

~Odin~

Also...never hear NYPD...Not Your Police Department...I like that

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

NYPD = 'Not Your Police Department' - as evidenced by :

"The walls of the neoliberal prison are cracking…We are no longer isolated, enclosed in our alienation, imprisoned by a concretized sense of powerlessness; daylight is beginning to pierce the darkness of our desolate cells."

Solidaridad Siempre @ u, OTS. OWS & M23 !!!

pax et lux ...

[+] -4 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

The problem is that I don't see a lot of "business owners" here. If no one here owns a subsidiary, they're not going to have any info to give you.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Actually, that's the least of my concerns. Look here: http://groupspaces.com/99Conglomerate/pages/

How easy is the Subsidiary creation process if you don't have a business idea yet? http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/your-ows-username-can-just-as-easily-be-your-tempo/

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

The term "subsidiary creation process" insinuates that an actual creation of an real subsidiary is taking place or has taken place or might take place in the future. But non-existent subsidiaries usually have non existent contact information.

So it appears that you are asking people who do not own a business or co-op to pretend that they do and put down some random idea and some random information. Now, maybe you are assuming that everyone WANTS to own/run a business of their own. That would be a faulty assumption. And even if it were true, are you going to screen each person's account to make sure they truly own/run a business before you go on to phase 2? Or are you going to allow non-business owners to vote on the rules/Constitution that will govern just future business owners?

At some point, non listed people will realize that "Spudman2000" doesn't really run a business at all, and therefore no one can purchase a product or service from him. And they'll most likely think you're running a scam of some kind.

Now, you mentioned that there is no personal gain in this for you. You are doing all of this for free now and will continue to coordinate and run it all for free in the future?

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

You need to understand the Phases 1, 2 and 3. Yes, anyone can create a fake business in P1. They can all democratically design the P2 Constitution, which determines if your Subsidiary meets P2 qualifications.

Also, P2 is when Subsidiaries have to start contributing a percentage of their revenue to the Conglomerate, to pay for larger-scale advertizing and everything else planned for Phases 2 and 3.

All my effort has gone to trying to convince people here that this is necessary. The website I created for free was nothing. Too easy. And distributing the Subsidiary Directory regularly... about as easy as writing this reply to your great questions. I look forward to more.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

You do understand that "fake businesses" are not legal corporations of any kind, and therefore cannot join or merge into a legal conglomerate of any kind. Legal being required in order to obtain the "full force and protection of the law".

You have yet to convince anyone (other than one person on your website) that this is "necessary", much less doable. Creating a website is free and easy. Making this work will not be either one.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Yes of course I understand that. I haven't seen one argument from you that I can't counterattack with complete success. And I haven't stinkled you once, I'm sure you've got me at least 30 times in the last few hours, yet look who is stinky. Many people here DO agree with me and ARE becoming more and more convinced. It won't be long before you too stray from the dark side.

[-] -3 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I don't rate postings, nor do I care about my "score". I think it's stupid. So your assumption is both rude and unfounded. Such behavior isn't highly regarded in the business world. Just a tip.

What you have is an idea. It may even be an earth shatteringly great idea. But your expectation seems to be that people who have A) never run a business of their own and B) fought tooth and nail to establish a business of their own-should just eagerly jump into a huge idea and happily flesh it out together in harmony and love. Won't happen.

Small business owners are hard working, tired, people who are extremely protective of what they have worked so hard to build. They aren't stupid enough to jump willy nilly into something that has both positive AND NEGATIVE legal, practical, and financial ramifications for them. And they surely don't have the time or money to do all the detail work involved AND keep their businesses running.

They also won't feel very validated or secure when they find out that they are working with even ONE "fake business owner" because it demonstrates very clearly that you aren't even taking this seriously enough to require the most basic criteria for any future conglomerate-actual business ownership.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

You should care about your score, though I know that's not everyone's opinion. It does indicate your integrity. Believe it or not, I actually twinkled you a few times for your participation. As spiteful as some of your comments have been, including the ones you've made behind my back, they are valid enough for me.

I've linked you to the current raw plans for the three Phases. If you took time to look into them, you would see the stuff you just repeated again are accounted for.

Want to know why I can easily defeat your objections? It's because this idea wasn't conceived yesterday, but your understanding of it was. There's not much you've said that I haven't had to confront before.

I didn't respond to one of your points because I kind of forgot to: "You clearly know nothing, zip, nada, about marketing anything at all. Adding the symbol 99% in a circle to your logo and advertising doesn't lead anyone anywhere at all. In order for customers to be led to the "conglomerate", they must be given information that actually LEADS TO IT. In order for everyone, everywhere to recognize a specific logo as belonging to a specific entity, requires extensive advertising of it's own AND complete symmetry and repetition of the exact same logo-size, color, etc over and over again. Which means you'll have to create some kind of logo and trademark it."

My response: Wrong. Something like the circled 99% symbol, when displayed consistently different every time, is just as telling as the same trademark repeated consistently identically. In fact, people will start looking closer at logos to see if there is a 99% symbol somewhere on it. The marketing is so strategically superior that you failed to identify that.

And yes, you can't call a corporation "The Conglomerate" but you can call it the 99% Conglomerate. In reality, I don't care what the Subsidiary owners decide to call it, but referring to it as the Conglomerate is useful.

Keep the comments Rollin!

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

If 5 people suddenly voted all of your comments down, would that mean your integrity had suddenly changed? All the scores here indicate is that other people can push buttons and vote the things they like up and the things they don't down.

It's also irrational to call a comment made openly in a public forum as being "made behind your back". But you're the master of integrity here.

Obviously you've encountered my objections before, and your wild success with the idea indicates how easily you've defeated these objections before. Clearly success is just moments away.

I wish you well.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I mean behind my back as opposed to directly to my face so I don't have to search for or stumble upon them by accident. Rational.

Why would 5 people of high integrity vote you down?

Considering how difficult it must be to convince a world of strangers that something like this is good, free and trustworthy, I've done pretty well I think.

Thanks for noticing!