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Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 1, 2013, 10:24 a.m. EST by chuckuschumer (-366)
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The Newtown Board of Education wants more armed police officers in the towns four elementary schools after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary last month.

Last night, they decided to ask the town to approve the request to include one additional full-time Newtown police at each of the elementary schools in next year's budget.

Today, members of the board will be meeting with state and federal officials about obtaining additional funding for security.

“Our parents are demanding of us that things are made safe and secure and certain measures are put in place,” Chairwoman Debbie Leidlein said. “So we’re being very thoughtful.”

Several police officers have been stationed at all Newtown schools since the Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, where 20 children and six staff members were killed.

Those officers will remain at the school through the remainder of the school year, but the budget for the next fiscal year funds only resource officers at the middle and high schools.

Parents said security means more than a police presence.

“My main concern is with accessibility to these school, said Neil Johnson, a parent of two Newtown students. “On December 14th, that was the main bare-boned reason that occurred.”

“After what happened in our community, I just think we should go over and above and provide a shining example for the rest of the world and protect our kids,” said resident Donna Lorenz.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-Officers-189320221.html?dr

It seems the NRA was right all along and slowly but surely schools will start taking their advice.

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[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 year ago

What a bunch of crap - 'It seems the NRA was right all along and slowly but surely schools will start taking their advice.' Your answer to gun addiction is more guns! Spoken like a true addict and it seems from your post that you'll even ride the Newtown CT tragedy to push more guns.

Can you read for long enough and hold more than one thought in your head I wonder? Here give it a go - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/ian-i-mitroff/treating-gun-violence-addiction-and-cult-1359565577 .

Never Give Up Trying To Get A Clue! Occupy Your Own Mind!

[+] -5 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Do you always base your opinion on fantasy?

[+] -6 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Well after reading a portion of your link all I have to say is to live in a "world without fear" will never happen - not this generation, not the next generation - not ever.

Now that is not to say that should the world decide to eradicate criminals - not partial criminals but all criminals then maybe the word will get out.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Very sad news
a rich community can afford to do this
most communities need MORE teachers and fewer guns.
Protecting our children is our COUNTRY'S responsibility

THOSE WHO CAN – DO
THOSE WHO CAN’T - RANT

YOU CAN DO:

1►
learn as much as you can about the numbers that prove what the solutions are

2►
demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

multi-millionaire gun manufacturer wayne lapierre who works for koch brothers & gets paid over $1,000,000 / year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar6K2STVVQ

3►
WRITE CONGRESS:

find your congresspeople

house:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
senate:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


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Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, I don’t.
Here is a much more feasible, practical, logical approach.
It will not solve all gun problems, but it will
reduce the number of guns
and will
reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns
and isn't THAT our real goal?

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between
cars & guns.

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America
with our 11,000+ gun disasters:


1►
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

If you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each.
Require a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws thus
being forced to know the law - via the test – also means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime or be careless storing your guns.

2►
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

Insurance should be at least as high as car insurance
[ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
You must prove your car insurance.
Require an annual back ground check ( with fee ) to verify your suitability to own guns.
Every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock.

3►
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

You are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours,
The owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief.

4►
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

Knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it.

additionally -

Gun fees [ licenses fees & registration fees & fines ] should be
high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time -
especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun registration fees should be higher for more guns & for bigger guns.

The nra will fight against this –
but will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the nra emplyees –
the gun companies - understand that gun owners
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers
and free up police "time" for real crime investigation

We WILL get higher compliance and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback.

Take a position of reducing guns, like assault weapons such as
semi-automatic rifles & pistols
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.

LBJ proposed a gun plan similar to the above 4 point plan

***


Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

VERY IMPORTANT:
The 1994 gun "ban" did NOT ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19

Is the nra & its trolls claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation?
Did England ban violence in movies?


Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

Scalia - yes that Scalia - has stated the AR15s are NOT “protected” by Article 2 and that government can regulate them
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that there are "undoubtedly" limits to a person's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment, but that future court cases will have to decide where to draw the line. That link could be between you and an bushmaster.
During an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Scalia was asked whether lawmakers have the right to ban high-capacity gun magazines without violating a person's constitutional right to bear arms. "We'll see," Scalia said, suggesting that future court cases will determine what limitations on modern-day weapons are permissible.
"Some limitations undoubtedly are permissible because there were some that were acknowledged at the time" the Constitution was written, Scalia said. He cited a practice from that era known as "frighting," where people "carried around a really horrible weapon just to scare people. That was, I believe, a misdemeanor."
"So yes, there are some limitations that can be imposed," Scalia said. "What they are will depend on what the society understood were reasonable limitations at the time."
The conservative justice notably authored the Supreme Court's 2008 opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which ruled that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to bear arms. The court ruled that "the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited."
Scalia pointed out that that the Second Amendment "obviously" doesn't apply to weapons that can't be hand-carried, and modern-day weapons like "hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes" weren't factored in at the time of the writing of the Constitution.
"My starting point and probably my ending point will be what limitations are within the understood limitations that the society had at the time," he said. "They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne. So we'll see what those limitations are as applied to modern weapons."

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

"reduce the number of guns and will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns "

You're extrapolating using a false premise. How are you "reducing the number of dangerous people"??

A huge waste of time,however most all of it is just copy/paste spam anyways.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Inner city schools have had armed guards for a long time. No one gave a shit until all of a sudden its white middle class kids. Interesting how that works.

http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/03/report-gun-homicide-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-among-black-teens/

Plain and simple: This is a society gone mad. Go ask your friend who probably just posted on this FACE book about how he's having a great day at the beach!! Or how she is not very happy today. Or maybe we can get the ol puckered lip pose from a group!@!!

Wtf...

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

" No one gave a shit until all of a sudden its white middle class kids. Interesting how that works."

Talk to your bud Obama,Rahm about it,they've got some of the most restrictive gun laws yet their murder rate rivals and exceeds that of Americans in Afghanistan. How much do they really care about inner city schools huh?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

My bud Obama? And your bud McCain?

This is occupy, not dailykos.

[-] -2 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Figures,that'd be the only thing you focus on.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief.

Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

[+] -4 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

dhs ( or tsa) has a video out telling people to hide , or if confronted by someone with a gun use scissors to defend yourself.

[+] -4 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Yeah,heard it. Not very surprising huh? A great way to propagandize and indoctrinate more Sheeple into permanent victim hood status.

[+] -5 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

no , not surprising, scissors have always been my weapon of choice for self defense. and so much to choose from, round tip, pointed, pinking, cuticle, folding ,etc.

[-] -2 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

LOL,yeah they would prefer us cowering in a corner clutching scissors instead of defending our lives with an AR-15. Truly sick country we're progressing into isn't it?

[-] 6 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

'defending our lives with an AR-15'. From what? Your own delusions?

You're already cowering in a corner. Likely suffering with a mental illness.

[+] -6 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Truly sick country we're progressing into isn't it?

Thanks for illustrating my point.

[-] 4 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

What are you defending your life from? What do you feel your life is threatened by?

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

He is afraid his straight jacket is too loose

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

Lol! I'm afraid his straight jacket is loose too.

[+] -5 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Why don't you know the context of my post? Why don't you feel a need to understand the subject matter?

[-] 5 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

I understand the subject matter. But I prefer to use a rational thought process and facts.

Overall crime rates are at their lowest levels in decades. Violent crime rates have been declining for over 20 years. Gun violence has been declining over the past 20 years. Murder rates are at near record lows for the century. Declining steeply since 1990 and approaching the record low mark from 1960, for the lowest level of the century.

It is generally believed that mass shootings are increasing over the past decade or so. Even still, it is extremely rare. The probability that you will be a victim of a mass shooting is too infinitesimal to warrant quantifying.

What exactly is your life threatened by and makes you so fearful for you life again? Or is it just your delusions.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

"Overall crime rates are at their lowest levels in decades. Violent crime rates have been declining for over 20 years. Gun violence has been declining over the past 20 years. Murder rates are at near record lows for the century. Declining steeply since 1990 and approaching the record low mark from 1960, for the lowest level of the century. It is generally believed that mass shootings are increasing over the past decade or so. Even still, it is extremely rare."

Yes,excellent points. But how could that be if there are more guns being bought and sold?? More people own guns then ever before,so wouldn't you think that there would be more gun violence??

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Do yourself a favor and slowly step away from the television set. Sensationalism has warped your perception. Once one percent of the population a year is murdered, only then will your fears be warranted. Shit happens and when it does it gets reported on. But I have to say shit don't happen enough to justify your fears. Even though this recession has increased the number of violent incidences, I don't believe we are at a point where we all need to carry a gun.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

Give them tasers. That video where the security guard zaps the obnoxious women is hilarious.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

"shit don't happen enough to justify your fears"

You have a false belief and premise. Many of you here seem to believe anybody who owns a gun is "paranoid" or has "fear". That would be completely inaccurate. I'm not afraid,I have my bases covered. We don't operate out of a state of fear.

You may not believe that we all need to carry a gun and that's fine. I'm pro-choice,but betting your families safety on some feeling that shit don't happen enough is not really prudent. You might just lack the real-life experience of dealing with a criminal or adversary that intends you harm.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Don't you hate it when you assume and fall flat.?

I have had my share of violent experiences, but when they're weighed against my good experiences, they are not great enough to endanger my loved ones by having a tool intended for killing in my home.

I don't let the handful of violent people make me fear the majority of people. Besides, don't you know most murders are crimes of passion, actions that happen on the spur of the moment. People are good until the moment they are not. That is the reality my experiences have revealed.

[-] -2 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

There's plenty of people making plenty of wrong assumptions on this and most every thread even you.

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

'More people own guns then ever before' - that is not correct. The percentage of households owning guns has declined from 50% in 1960 to around 30% today.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21327) 1 year ago

Doesn't have to be that way. Try love instead of fear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtc-k6dhgs

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

All you need is love, all you need is love, All you need is love, love, love is all you need. Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love. All you need is love, all you need is love, All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

Why do you assume nobody has tried "love instead of fear"??

Don't you think the teachers at Newtown or the people in the Aurora CO. movie theater tried "love instead of fear"?

Tell me how you think that exchange must have taken place between the Killer and the victims?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21327) 1 year ago

I'm talking about society as a whole. You seem to want to perpetuate the whole fear based thing. We have to have guns to defend ourselves. We have to invade other countries. We can't share the resources because there won't be enough to go around. Yada, yada. Get over it. Take a chance. Live in a home without a gun. Nobody's coming. Not to your house and not to America.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

"Live in a home without a gun. Nobody's coming. Not to your house and not to America."

I'm guessing you don't listen to your local news. Did you ever hear of something called "home invasions"?? Yes,these happen actually quite regularly around the country.

Actually people are coming to America,..illegally,.. and not all of them sing Kumbaya. In fact illegal Aliens perpetrate a great deal of violent crimes involving robbery,home invasions,rape,murder.

So as much as you'd like to live in Utopian bliss the rest of us are more realistic about what life is really about.

You can take a chance and live without a gun,that's your right. I'm pro-choice on this issue. But you need to understand that folks like me don't live in fear because we DO have guns and are willing to defend our lives and families from potential threats.

Just wishing the world was all love and peace and everybody could get along is not very mature. It's not such a beautiful world sometimes.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21327) 1 year ago

Your whole life is wrapped up in fear. Sorry for you.

[-] -2 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

That would be a wrong assumption. Don't feel sorry for me,I can take care of myself. Just take care of yourself and don't be so naive.

[-] 4 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

You just described yourself 'cowering in a corner clutching scissors' and defending your life with 'an AR-15'. If that doesn't scream irrational fear and paranoia, I don't know what does. Get some help.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

When you don't read and then take out of context, a comment can be misconstrued.

"LOL,yeah they would prefer us cowering in a corner clutching scissors instead of defending our lives with an AR-15".

See,now don't you feel kinda stupid?

It was my response to the DHS video. Perhaps you should find it and watch it.

My comment when read in context is just simply fact,...This Regime is trying to convince people that being a victim is far smarter then actually defending your life. And your friends the Democrats are trying their level best to make sure you don't have a weapon to use.

[-] 3 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

It's not the Daily Kos. It's the NY Times. It's not liberals saying this about conservatives. It's conservatives saying it about conservatives. The Cato Institute is a right wing libertarian think tank. Can't you read?

Although liberals said it long before conservatives themselves recognized their own stupid. It's the one thing liberals and at least some of the more intellectual conservatives agree on. Republican's are stupid.

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

A victim is one that is acted upon by another force in an adverse way. In the fantastically unlikely circumstance that you needed a gun for self defense, you are a victim.

'Why would I have fear when I'm armed?' - having a gun provides you a false sense of security for your irrational fears.

I've given you plenty of facts. Crime rates are at record lows. Your fears are irrational. Every other OECD country has stricter gun laws, less guns and less gun violence. By a long shot. These are facts. It's well documented.

Your problem is, the facts are different than your beliefs. You are exhibiting typical right wing epistemic closure. Not letting the facts get in the way of your beliefs. It's a fear response.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/books/28conserv.html?_r=0

If I fear anything, it's crazy stupid people. Which, there are alot of ya. The Tea Party knuckle draggers for starters. But the rest of the Party is going along for the ride on the stupid train. If Republican's would stop being stupid we might get somewhere.

"We have to stop being the stupid party" - Gov. Bobby Jindal.

[-] -3 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Yes,you certainly are completely misinformed and clearly indoctrinated beyond all help.

You see people and the world through a DailyKos lens.

You illustrate a "crazy stupid" person quite well while projecting your insanity on to others,convincing yourself further that you are right.

You are a typical propagandized Leftist spouting the same old crap on a new day.

Nothing new to see here,I think I'll move along.

[-] 2 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

'This Regime' - there you go again. You are operating from a place of fear.

You're presuming that you will be a victim of crime and therefore will need a gun for self defense. When statistics say the chances of that are fantastically low. Your fear of victimization is wildly disproportionate to your chances of actually being victimized. You're a victim of your own fear.

Statistically, it is more likely that you, a friend or family member will be harmed by your gun, than the chance that you will ever need a gun for self defense.

It's probably due to your brain structure. Some people have a heightened response to fear than others. It's fairly well documented, psychologically, that Republicans or people that identify with conservative ideology, have a stronger fear response, than liberals, or those that favor left ideologies. Liberals respond to facts. Conservatives respond to fear. It's just your brain. You probably can't help it.

[-] -1 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

LOL,you presume to tell me what I presume,you live in total fear of Conservatives and people who don't share your Leftist ideology and propaganda.

How can I be a victim of crime when I'm armed?

Why would I have fear when I'm armed?

Liberals are devoid of knowing anything factual but are merely victims of propaganda and indoctrination. You apparently are not smart enough to have figured that out yet.

Your problem is you are arrogant without any evidence to justify having that attitude.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

"The best solution - don't arm the teachers - arm the students" - WL

[-] -1 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Based on your previous posts I wouldn't be surprised if you really believed that.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

I am just quoting WL

[+] -6 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

The country isnt sick, the current adminstration and their agenda to to destroy the USA and its founding principles , is.

[+] -5 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

Well of course you're right. However 51% of these people voted for this Regime so it could continue it's toilet bowl Maelstrom of flushing Constitutional rights and perpetrating economic Jihad on this country

We may have already passed the point of ever turning this Leviathan of destruction around.

In four years this country won't be the country is was even 10 years ago,it'll be a hell of a lot worse off and the Left will have succeeded with Obama's "fundamentally transform" edict.

I believe we can't stop the fight to turn things around but it's now going to be tougher then ever before.

[-] -2 points by auargent (-600) 1 year ago

That was the given % of votes, but do not think that it that was number of people that voted for obama, Big difference. look up skytl. go to lame cherry.com. the election was nevr in doubt for obama, did you see his dismal performance in the first debate? after that he had to acutally show that he was making an effort instead of just showing up. we never had an election, it was all for show to keep the people from rising up against the coup. the fix was in.

[-] -1 points by chuckuschumer (-366) 1 year ago

"the fix was in" That's probably all too true.