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Forum Post: New York Law Mandates Gun Owners Use Mags That Don’t Exist..

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 28, 2013, 10:54 a.m. EST by Nevadaone (-55)
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Now the whole state can be defenseless except for the criminals. The Ithaca Journal reported:

Starting April 15, New York will have the smallest gun magazine limit in the country, and all signs indicate no gun makers have plans to accommodate it.

Gun manufacturers have never had a reason to make a magazine with fewer than 10 rounds, because no state required it until now. And, as far as local gun dealers and the Democrat and Chronicle have been able to determine, there are no manufacturers planning to make seven-round magazines.

This means that in less than two months, gun dealers such as Paul Martin, owner of Pro-Gun Services in Victor, can only sell something that doesn’t exist yet.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/#sthash.c9tNYzso.dpuf

More unintended consequences of the Progressive/Liberal agenda of subjugating the American people by creating obedient,equally miserable Sheeple.

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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Nevada1 has nothing to do with this forum-post !!! So why have you tried to usurp his good name to ply your reactionary crap here ?!! You so called 'freedom loving' gun nuts don't have the balls nor the spine nor the remotest inclination nor the clear intellectual critique to take on your duoploy ; one party state, government but you all love jerking off to the fantasy, while you furiously clean your weapons dreaming of a civil war - which pretty much makes y'all a bunch of big talk, no action, useless wankers - as you swallow and overdose on the uniquely american, 'guns = freedom' mass opium ! Now go and read :

Go get a fkn clue - this is O.W.S - wtf has this gun bollocks got to do with this for example :

Any idea ?! Any fkn clue whatsoever ?!! Any inkling as to how your nuts got to be so fkn numb ?!!!

castigat ridendo mores ...

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Do you think there is any possibility of OWS reaching the great American middle without supporting the 2nd Amendment? Or do you not care about forming coalitions and gathering the greatest numbers?

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Does support for the 2nd amendment = acceptance of ALL forms of 'guns' ?!!! How about .50 cal heavy machine guns ; grenade launchers ; RPG's ; mortars ; hell's bells, a tank is just a vehicle to carry guns, right ?!! Where do you draw the line ?!! No one thinks confiscation of all guns is possible in the USA but by being 'fundamentalists' on the matter of gun 'control' the NRA will talk itself into the margins and then oblivion ... and not a moment too soon either !

You chose to answer my comment above but your inability / refusal to address any of the points in the articles linked to above will be noted by readers and reveals an inability / refusal to deal with the core issues and a 'doctrinaire reaction' imo. OWS must do as conscience dictates and maybe "the great American middle" ain't so great and needs to make a move towards the rational and reasonable.

Make of it what you will, but here are deeper insights into the real issues facing Americans :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 3 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

BRAVO!

[+] -5 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Calm down and get back on your meds.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Right ! Says the boy on 'gun crack' !! Numpty !!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 3 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

So is this poster a liar or an nra troll or stupid?
5 shot mags are all over the internet
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2252281700/tangodown-arc-magazine-ar-15-223-remington-5-round-polymer?cm_vc=subv1239487
what's really fun is that you can LEGALLY buy an AR15 accessory to make it fully automatic = 800RPM = 13 shots per second

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

I think he means semi-auto rifle magazines (AR-15, AK47, etc.,). I don’t know of any AR mags that hold less than 20 rounds. Probably half of all semi-auto pistols hold 10 rounds or less.

EDit: I stand corrected. I din't read the link. That's a new one for me. And, no you can't not buy any parts to leageally turn any gun into a full auto. The closest is a bump fire stock, which is tricky as hell to shoot. No one uses them in real life.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

I'm not a gun expert, but they are legal and I've seen them fired. The sound made me think of the movie "tommy guns"
I thought fully auto means one trigger pull means a stream of bullets - which this does.

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

Yep, full auto means hold the trigger and spray until you’re out of ammo. There are millions of legal full auto weapons, but they cost a fortune; and you have to pay a fee, pass a stringent background check, submit paperwork that normally takes several weeks to process. And ALL full auto guns have to be registered with the government. The feds know where every full auto is located and who owns it.

Again, legal bump fire stocks on semi-auto rifles fire almost as fast as full auto. But they’re difficult to shoot. Other than that it’s illegal to modify ANY weapon to be full auto. Maybe you’ve seen something I haven’t, but I keep up with gun news and it’s unlikely I overlooked something like you described.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

"Gun manufacturers have never had a reason to make a magazine with fewer than 10 rounds"
an easily provable lie with a simple search for an AR15 5 shot mag. For a few hundred dollars you will also find a legal kit to make an AR15 into a fully automatic machine gun

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Did a 1%'r help shoot down the pro NRA candidate in Chi town testerday.

http://emilyslist.org/what/candidates/robin-kelly?et_cid=170397&et_cname=WOEENE213N_NFTF_qnd&et_sid=1066019&ms=WOEENE213N&ws=NFTF_em_20130227

We need more 1%'rs working for the 99% against the NRA/gun profiteers and ALL Koch/Tea Party efforts.

Are you with us?

[-] -3 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

"Did a 1%'r help shoot down the pro NRA candidate in Chi town testerday."

Doomberg threw millions into that race,I'm guessing you're infatuated with his wealthy Highness King Mike. So he is the kind of politician you advocate for.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Support occupy the NRA!!

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyTheNRA

I like kickin the "gun profits over people NRA's" ass.

Don't you? Join us for the good fight against Koch/tea party/NRA enemies of the 99%.

[+] -4 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

You don't have answers for your warped narrative only slogans and propaganda.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Right back atcha 'gun profits over people' boy

I gotcha' answer right 'ere!!!!

Signs the NRA is losing.

http://www.stevenspointjournal.com/article/20130228/SPJ06/302280078/Page-column-Signs-NRA-losing

Uh oh!!!! Now what?

[+] -4 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

"'gun profits over people"

Another slogan huh.

CLARENCE PAGE is a propagandist that falsely equates car registration with a Constitutional right. A flawed and predictable propagandist tactic.

Clarence as well as anybody with a brain knows "universal registration" of guns will facilitate a complete gun confiscation.

We all know that is Obama's, the Democrats and most all Progressive's ultimate goal, they just can't be honest about it.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are clearly an extremist conspiracy theory wacko.

No one is comin for your guns! Get your head out of the bunker, shut off the apocalyptic Glenn Beck and stop being a scared little child!

Whatta joke.

[+] -5 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Like I said "they just can't be honest about it". Neither can you.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I don't believe in apocalyptic conspiracy theories, that's the main thing we disagree on.

[+] -4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

As you may or may not know, inclusionman is VQKag. "Nuff said?

[-] -2 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Ah,I thought I recognized that stench,thanks.

[+] -4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's amazing how so many self proclaimed OWSers here wish to disarm the 99%.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Occupy the NRA

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyTheNRA

I am inclusionman motherfucker! Don't forget it!

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

You are you! You are nobody else but youself and don't let anyone forget it!

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."

Get off my cornflake!!!

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

And don't forget it!?!?!?!

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

How could you?

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the phony gun debate is a distraction

it's all a ploy to sell more guns. It working wonders.

No mention of getting the banks in the state of the union. No mention of campaign finance reform either. The most cheered detail was "ban assault weapons"

It was pathetic.

violence is environmental

i don't care whether assault rifles are banned or not. It's not an issue I remotely care about. what I do care about is that it distracts from other important issues.

Just another way to divide and conquer and manufacture consent for issues destroying our nation.

Also it's mainly just a repeat of 1994. Like I said, i don't like the arguments given by either side on this issue. Both arguments seem to fail to grasp reality.

there's a bigger push to ban assault rifles than there is to end the wars and stop the drones. There's a bigger push to keep assault rifles than there is to get the bankers.

While people are saying ban assault rifles and cheering for Obama, his administration is arming child soldiers with assault rifles in foreign countries. Now do you see why I call this gun debate phony?

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I don't agree at all that it's a ploy to sell more guns. And I wouldn't call it phony, though it may appear as a tempest in a teapot, given that human beings are currently being murdered by drones bought by us and flown in our name.

However, two points: 1) if the 99% is disarmed, terror including these drones, I would argue, are much likely to be used against us and 2) I don't believe OWS has any chance of being a true mass movement with transformational effect without making common cause with the 2A folks.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

You can fight without violence. This isn't the fucking Paris commune!

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Our struggle is nonviolent.

Firearms are for defense not offense.

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn: “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

When you, me or anyone else picks up a firearm, we cease to become 'non-violent'.

Non-violence is the complete rejection of violence, not the selective incorporation of violence.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

You would have done real well standing up to the Nazis.

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Thank you!

I wouldnt have sunk to their level.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Now you are a comedian!!!!

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

So the answer to murder is more murder? Does that even make sense?

[-] -3 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Yeah,their hypocrisy knows no bounds. They use the freedom of the 1st Amendment to rail against the 2nd Amendment.

Clueless and willfully ignorant.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Better ignorant than whatever you are.... ;)

[+] -4 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Ostriches afraid to pull their heads from the sand. Either that or they are in a 70s timewarp.

[+] -6 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

LOL,the Hippie's never really went away they just realized they had to make a living and use the system to then start bitching and complaining about the system.

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[-] 1 points by Nevada6 (1) 1 year ago

Nevada1 here-----Nevadaone is a fake

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hey The Real Nev1 !!! Solidarity !! Stay well amigo ! It's a long winded long shot - but can you get to change ISP to get round this b-s ban ? You do pretty good anyway and at the risk of getting banned myself, lol - here's one for you http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34056.htm but sshhh !

sub rosa ...

[-] -2 points by Nevada7 (19) 1 year ago

Nevadaone and Nevada6 are fake. My account was hacked.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

Hmmm .. MOD ALERT !!! Good luck Nev1 !! Keep a new log in just for PM's & stay in touch with those you trust and tell us what to do, how to help or what you need ... those who know you, won't be fooled !

fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by Nevada7 (19) 1 year ago

DKAtoday will help. PM to Nevada7.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

how do we know he's not Mel Torme?

-from the movie Top Secret

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[-] -2 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

No shit Sherlock.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The man from FLAKESnews has spoken!!

Didn't say much, but what else would you expect?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Good!

Can we spread this across the nation?

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

I assume you are talking about mags for semi-auto rifles. Because for bolt-action rifles normally hold five rounds; and many pistols hold seven rounds or less. About half of 1911 pistols have a seven round capacity.

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[-] -2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

Good post Nevada !

a few examples from recent history where "gun control" laws were enacted and then tyranny by the government proceeded. . .

http://www.mercyseat.net/gun_genocide.html

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Yes - like the tyrany in England & Australia England gun deaths = 35
America = 11,000

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

but the number of murders are the same. Hello !

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.

Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19

The nra & its trolls are claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation.


Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns in a state or in a country adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been a similar incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9