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Forum Post: New karen Hudes interview

Posted 7 months ago on Aug. 28, 2013, 8:19 a.m. EST by windyacres (1002)
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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (17663) 7 months ago

Brilliant Bill Moyers summary !!! Brought tears to my eyes !! Thanx 'windy' !

In solidarity with your main link, I append :

You'll recognise these links windy but I just wanted to re-post again here for the standing record here.

Thanx again for the Moyers clip. It made my day.

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

''Lock, stock & pork barrel'' says Moyers in that excellent, short summary which is such a succinct exposition of the realities of US Politricks & as per your forum-post re. Karen Hudes, please also see :

'''Congress all bribed, has zero confidence in eyes of American people' - World Bank whistleblower'' ~

e tenebris - lux ?!

[-] 5 points by windyacres (1002) 6 months ago

Moyers nailed it, Washington's doing just fine, thank you. I watched that Karen Hudes video last night, couldn't grasp how the interviewer would respond the way she did after hearing some of the words of Hudes. The interviewer's followup questions were as if the responses that Karen Hudes were describing weren't significant. These claims of Hudes are serious and still no one has disputed them that I'm aware of, they make currency collapse in the USA a matter of when, not if.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

Moyers is second to none in what is left of US journalism. Scahill ; Palast ; Greenwald ; Goodman and Michael Hastings [RiP} are cut from similar cloth but Moyers is the unique 'cause he worked for so long without becoming Corporate Co-Opted. Gonna link to Karen Hudes again in solidarity with her and you :

Finally, I don't think that the interviewer fully absorbed the real ramifications of what Karen Hudes said !!

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (20414) 6 months ago

There are some nice links to Bill Moyers in relation to Occupy Wall Street here:

http://billmoyers.com/tag/occupy-wall-street/

One of my favorites was his interview with Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

Tom Morello is an inspiring and engaging individual & I encourage everyone to explore your excellent 'Moyers on Occupy' link. Re. how we are occupied and why we need to (re)Occupy, please do see :

The first link is for an extended trailer / video essay for ''Heist'' narrated by Thom Hartmann & the next two are from Al Jazeera's 'Fault Lines' show re. OWS & I'm very curious if these play in The USA ~(~

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20414) 5 months ago

These Al Jazeera videos are not available in the U.S. :( but thanks, Shadz. Maybe you can give a description of the contents. So much for "freedom."

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (17663) 5 months ago

''History Of An Occupation'' was the title of the first 24.02m Al-Jazeera link and .. ''Occupy Wall Street - Surviving The Winter'', the title of the 2nd 24.40m 'Fault Lines' video doc. Very sad and telling that they don't play in The U$A. ''So much for freedom'', indeed. Relevantly to OWS & the first link for 'The Heist', which still works and also fyi 'bw' & for the standing record here, I append and recommend the following:

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20414) 5 months ago

I wasn't surprised, Shadz. I'll check out your new links. Thanks. :)

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17663) 5 months ago

''Compassion reflects the opposite of psychopathy. When those with wealth and power plan to strangle social security, they never say they intend to hurt people, but rather they want to help them stand on their own. When corporations drive native people from forests, they tell us it is part of their grand scheme to stop climate change. Are we to believe that they are just as compassionate as everyone else…but that they reveal their compassion in their own way? There is now good evidence that there are, in fact, class differences in levels of compassion.'' & ...

''Building a new society involves going beyond equalizing material wealth. It means changing the core nature of interpersonal relationships. This actually requires vastly reducing the emphasis on material possessions. Relationships of people to people can never flourish as long as relationships of people to objects reign supreme.'' From the second link. Solidarity to you and yours & to add to your reading list :

dux femina facti ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

Those are great quotes and our own Elizabeth Warren has something to say about Social Security and our need to be humane and compassionate:

"The suggestion that we have become a country where those living in poverty fight each other for a handful of crumbs tossed off the tables of the very wealthy is fundamentally wrong," Warren said. "This is about our values, and our values tell us that we don’t build a future by first deciding who among our most vulnerable will be left to starve.

"We don’t build a future for our children by cutting basic retirement benefits for their grandparents," Warren said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/elizabeth-warren-social-security_n_4298336.html

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (17663) 4 months ago

The American Left and the majority of people who instinctively understand 'The General Welfare Clause' of the US Constitution have no voice in the US & that's OWS' raison d'etre & the root of why most of us are here on this forum, right ?!

Consider that most of the citizens in The USA, need to work for themselves or by selling their labour, knowledge and expertise - work for others in order to pay their bills, take care of their obligations and finance their lifestyles. Thus from this perspective, stripped of hubris, conceits and affectations - most people are 'Working Class', irrespective of what they may really do by way of work or even how much they actually even earn !!

Perhaps there is - more than ever, the most urgent need for a political party to truly represent 'Labour" - as opposed to the situation now where both sides of the 'faux dichotomy of Republocrat / Demoblican', only ever really represents "Capital" & it is high time for a real "American Labour Party" and / or Real Independents !!!

In the meantime, as per your excellent excerpts and link, Elizabeth Warren offers some hope - tho' ironically it could also be in the Crapitalists long term interests for her to succeed. Nevertheless, in compliment of your points, post and link, please see :

fiat justititia ruat caelum ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

You make some interesting points there concerning, one, the General Welfare Clause, which seems to have been forgotten by our government. And, two, the psyche of the American worker who doesn't really want to be considered a mere worker. It's kind of shameful nowadays to be a "worker." Even people who start businesses these days want to make a killing and get rich. They're not happy with just making a decent living. There is a desire for instant gratification and materialism that silences folks who are not "successful" in that realm from speaking up for themselves.

It used to be that the worker was revered. Statues and artwork depicted the worker in an almost angelic or godlike way. Nowadays, you're a schmuck if your a worker. This mentality has to change because our society cannot function without the workers. The workers are the backbone of society, not the capitalists, not the employers, but the workers.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (17663) 4 months ago

'The General Welfare Clause' should be taught and understood by all citizens and be central to the 'National Modus Vivendi'. Your points and observations are very succinct and powerful and so in compliment, I append :

''The workers are the backbone of society, not the capitalists, not the employers, but the workers.''

Amen bw ~*~ ever was it thus.

fiat lux ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

"Legal and political scholars of every age have agreed that the primary obligation of the state is a broad mandate to provide generally for the peace and prosperity of it's citizens." From your erudite Fordham U. link.

Hmmm. Then why is there so much suffering? There is so much money in the U.S. yet so much suffering. It is up to the government to see that the distribution of wealth protects the general welfare of the people. If the government continues to fail at this, a new government will eventually be brought in by the people. It is inevitable.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17663) 4 months ago

''There is so much money in the U.S. yet so much suffering. It is up to the government to see that the distribution of wealth protects the general welfare of the people. If the government continues to fail at this, a new government will eventually be brought in by the people. It is inevitable.'' :-) & nail on head bw, so again :

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

Everything is interconnected, poverty, wealth, resources, jobs, physical health, environmental health, the human spirit and ethos, consumerism, materialism, education, communication. All of it. Until we get this, we will not be able to move forward in a successful way.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19215) 5 minutes ago

I think the people have forgotten what their rights actually are, partly because the enforcement of labor laws has been so paltry in the past few decades.

Unpaid "internships," "temporary workers," "Independent Contractors," "Part timers," etc, etc. Basically screw the worker while the government turns it's head! This crap has to stop.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

More examples of the dumbing down of America/USA - as even weenies will sue with righteous indignation if they figure that they have a chance in Hell of winning through the legal system - thing is weenies are always self serving and so are rarely a threat to the status quo.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (19215) 0 minutes ago

"Whether employees are unionized or not, federal law, under the National Labor Relations Act, protects certain activities, like protesting or organizing for better wages or working conditions."

Yet..."Walmart illegally disciplined and fired employees over strikes and protests, the National Labor Relations Board said on Monday."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/business/labor-panel-finds-illegal-punishments-at-walmart.html?_r=0

All workers need to stand up and fight back for the rights that have not been enforced but still exist and, ultimately, be proud of what they contribute to our society.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

" federal law, under the National Labor Relations Act, protects certain activities, like protesting or organizing for better wages or working conditions."

Correction = Is Supposed To Protect.

" Walmart illegally disciplined and fired employees over strikes and protests "

Yep - TRUTH - now lets see what comes of it.

" All workers need to stand up and fight back for the rights that have not been enforced but still exist and, ultimately, be proud of what they contribute to our society. "

ABSOLUTELY - without workers there is NOTHING

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

I think the people have forgotten what their rights actually are, partly because the enforcement of labor laws has been so paltry in the past few decades.

Unpaid "internships," "temporary workers," "Independent Contractors," "Part timers," "exempt" employees, etc, etc. Basically screw the worker while the government turns it's head! This crap has to stop.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Culver's Shakes are Hand "CRAFTED" right in front of you.

HuH - being artisans - does that mean that their workers get better than minimum wage?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

The average wage in America is $26,000 per year, and regardless of what they do, that is the average wage, so likely, the answer is not much better, if better at all.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19215) 2 minutes ago

The average wage in America is $26,000 per year, and regardless of what they do, that is the average wage, so likely, the answer is not much better, if better at all.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

It's food service - stands to reason that the pay is bad.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

"Whether employees are unionized or not, federal law, under the National Labor Relations Act, protects certain activities, like protesting or organizing for better wages or working conditions."

Yet..."Walmart illegally disciplined and fired employees over strikes and protests, the National Labor Relations Board said on Monday."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/19/business/labor-panel-finds-illegal-punishments-at-walmart.html?_r=0

All workers need to stand up and fight back for the rights that have not been enforced but still exist and, ultimately, be proud of what they contribute to our society.

[-] -3 points by meanjogreen (7) 4 months ago

Are you saying that our "safety nets" have become too generous, making the working stiff a "schmuck"?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (20414) 4 months ago

I didn't say that at all. "Safety nets" too generous! LOL!

[-] 1 points by vagabondblues (18) from Oyster Bay, NY 6 months ago

I have been a big fan of his for several years, so I agree "Moyers is second to none in what is left in US journalism."

What proves your implication about the sorry state of journalism in this country even further is that, the RT (as in RUSSIA TODAY!) babe that interviewed Karen Hudes seems to ME to be..by far and away... a better journalist than the over-whelming majority of the purveyors of neoliberalism... that we call journalists in this country!!

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

Karen Hudes was interviewed by Sophie Sheverdnadze, whose grandfather - Eduard, was Gorbachev's Foreign Minister & also the first post-Soviet PM of Georgia. Most MSM 'journalists' are PR functionaries for The Corporations and - as you say, Neoliberalism. ICH provides one of the antidotes for this & fyi :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by vagabondblues (18) from Oyster Bay, NY 6 months ago

If there were more people like Bernie in government, we most likely wouldn't be here,

Yes, I remember Eduard Sheverdnadzie being a very dignified man, although I knew very little else about him except like you said, he later became President of Georgia after the break-up of the USSR. That's his granddaughter, wow I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Here's a quote from Sheverdnadze that I just found, and it is applicable to our struggle, "Corruption has its own motivations, and one has to thoroughly study that phenomenon and eliminate the foundations that allow corruption to exist."

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

''Corruption has its own motivations, and one has to thoroughly study that phenomenon and eliminate the foundations that allow corruption to exist." (ES). Money and greed are right at the heart of this ''corruption'' & thus fyi :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by GinoDinero2 (3) 6 months ago

Yes it was, B. Here's a highly informative clip about what mercury does to brain cells, which your clip shows an all too quick (and blurry) excerpt from:

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=50A93DCA627FF5AB57C0F22827909993

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Thankyou GD.

And here's more of what an agency employed to protect us, are actually doing to make us sick, or kill us sooner than later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqxuSMArBA

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[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

LOL. GinoDinero. I get it now. :-)

I've got the use of my stepfather's electric scooter. I'd have hobbled if I had to.

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17663) 6 months ago

That is a bit of a head bender 'B' but more in keeping with OWS :

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Another good find. Thanks.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 7 months ago

Good post.