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Forum Post: New Deal 2.0

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 12, 2012, 4:01 p.m. EST by gsw (2727)
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Its been great. Informative. You guys inspired world. Occupied Wall Street, the Commons, and our imaginations.

Now we need action.

Since Americans don't have much free time, will to meet up and protest, or work on political cause, just realize it and meet them where they are.

Somehow OWS didn't touch a nerve. So Start Fresh "New Deal 2.0"

New Deal 2.0 is

All the positive proposals and actions of OWS, renamed or rebranded.

Build a new, flashy website. Have it organized. Put the best of the best proposals, petitions, information, videos.

Just the best stuff.

Where you have no obligation. don't have to commit. No time no money. Just go for info to get informed to vote for OWS favored issues or candidates. They won't have to think, argue, go anywhere, do anything, just read, and like to friends.

It will discuss info on

Green Jobs Green Parties justice parties (no need for dems, they got enough goin on) Green jobs Minimum wage Health care

And any other positive ideas that have been put through the grinder here and approved by the Ows group here.

All solutions, no muck. If they need to discuss it they can come here. All positive and main stream looking.

If people wish to be more involved, they can be directed from that site to here, or wherever best.

PS This is from one who believes in OWS and it's causes and future. Just refine things for the culture and audience.



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[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

I never knew how to program. Everything was an experiment. A blank page and a goal would turn into a mountain of glitches, bugs and abducted logic. Fixing thing after thing would pile into a huge complication of fixes causing more problems.

That's when you start over with a new blank page and the same goal. With more familiarity you actually do a better job, and you end up with a much simpler project. Call it evolution. If you refuse to jump over the hedge you absolutely crash.

We see the government as a slightly abuseful but realistic guardian, and protesters as wanting goodness but without the big picture (which the government keeps a big secret). The government must know best. We want to believe that at least.

I have a strong feeling that occupy needs to give birth to an organisation that all people can think of with the same certainty as they do the government. Something that can be the point of a spear, leading everyone through this landslide of doubt.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

Great you guys will be headed out then to promote this?

You will have your own little place on the web to promote the third party shit, amiright?

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

Not necessarily promote third party. But that would be better than a corporat party, for whom I did not vote.

Just rebrand towards Americans, who just don't seem to get out too much.

It can be like here. Just emphasize the solutions and clarify the message.

I don't have anything negative to say against OWS. They are just maybe ahead of the times. There messaging fell flat. No shame in that. They are still correct. Just need to repackage.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

So, you guys will have your own forum and everything?

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

I like this forum. Don't know the other place would need one, as that may be a distraction. I suppose there could be a comment section.

Am I going to do this. No. I don't have the skills. Maybe it is not difficult to do.

It is 1 idea.

This is a think tank after all.

What do you think.

I think it could be the solutions site and pr site for Ows, not a debate discussion site.

All petitions, and proposals of all the Ows sites.

Pundits say Obama won by targeting message to different, specific demographics. Target a simplified version of the message for an information overloaded, short attention, cut to the chase crowd.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

Why rebrand? Forbes

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Cool more circulation to a wider audience.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

It isn't the first time that they have run an article on OWS.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Friendly coverage?

I gotta wonder sometimes - I mean Occupy has changed the conversation in this country. Many with power have tried to silence Occupy by refusing coverage or by putting a nasty slant to stories they air about Occupy.

Will there now be those who will try to reposition themselves to benefit from those who support Occupy?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

We know who the bad guys are.

There are already those who are trying to benefit from those that support Occupy. I believe that it will continue.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It will never cease to amaze me.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

That's it. Like Ows is Honda, but there are different models available for different audiences.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I was talking about the article on Occupy's rolling jubilee. On GF's Forbes link it is also being circulated by Care2.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

Yes the article is very cool.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I love the fact that Occupy actions are getting coverage and circulation.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

capital one must have thought so

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago

I don't know if rebrand is the correct wording.

Reframing the solutions as doable. Something easy for average citizen to do and feel like they are contributing, getting informed, from their level of ability.

In education, they call it scaffolding the learning. Breaking it up into doable chunks, simplifying it by supporting, making more manageable, less time intensive.

I have nothing against this. It would be a cleaned up version, running parallel towards same goals, controlled by this. It would be the pr, final version of direct democracy Ows proposals sythesized for public consumption.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

got blocked by a capital one credit card ad

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It ( the article ) comes up after the commercial.

BTW - Folks - if you have a credit card - shred it. Lets all get back to cash and carry.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

boycott forbes

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

I had no problem hitting it just now.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

The Green New Deal is a four part program for moving America quickly out of crisis into a secure, sustainable future. Inspired by the New Deal programs that helped us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s, the Green New Deal will provide similar relief and create an economy that makes our communities sustainable, healthy and just.



Our country cannot truly move forward until the roots of inequality are pulled up, and the seeds of a new, healthier economy are planted. Thus, the Green New Deal begins with an Economic Bill of Rights that ensures all citizens:

The right to employment through a Full Employment Program that will create 25 million jobs by implementing a nationally funded, but locally controlled direct employment initiative replacing unemployment offices with local employment offices offering public sector jobs which are “stored” in job banks in order to take up any slack in private sector employment. • Local communities will use a process of broad stakeholder input and democratic decisionmaking to fairly implement these programs.

• Pay-to-play prohibitions will ensure that campaign contributions or lobbying favors do not impact decision-making.

• We will end unemployment in America once and for all by guaranteeing a job at a living wage for every American willing and able to work.

Worker’s rights including the right to a living wage, to a safe workplace, to fair trade, and to organize a union at work without fear of firing or reprisal.

The right to quality health care which will be achieved through a single-payer Medicare-for-All program.

The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education.

The right to decent affordable housing, including an immediate halt to all foreclosures and evictions. We will:

• create a federal bank with local branches to take over homes with distressed mortgages and either restructure the mortgages to affordable levels, or if the occupants cannot afford a mortgage, rent homes to the occupants;

• expand rental and home ownership assistance;

• create ample public housing; and,

• offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

The right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

The right to fair taxation that’s distributed in proportion to ability to pay. In addition, corporate tax subsidies will be made transparent by detailing them in public budgets where they can be scrutinized, not hidden as tax breaks.


The second priority of the Green New Deal is a Green Transition Program that will convert the old, gray economy into a new, sustainable economy that is environmentally sound, economically viable and socially responsible. We will:

Invest in green business by providing grants and low-interest loans to grow green businesses and cooperatives, with an emphasis on small, locally-based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors.

Prioritize green research by redirecting research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and geothermal. We will invest in research in sustainable, nontoxic materials, closed-loop cycles that eliminate waste and pollution, as well as organic agriculture, permaculture, and sustainable forestry.

Provide green jobs by enacting the Full Employment Program which will directly provide 16 million jobs in sustainable energy and energy efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and “complete streets” that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture, and clean manufacturing.


The takeover of our economy by big banks and well-connected financiers has destabilized both our democracy and our economy. It’s time to take Wall Street out of the driver’s seat and to free the truly productive segments of working America to make this economy work for all of us. Real Financial Reform will:

Relieve the debt overhang holding back the economy by reducing homeowner and student debt burdens.

Democratize monetary policy to bring about public control of the money supply and credit creation. This means we’ll nationalize the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and place them under a Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department.

Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail.”

End taxpayer-funded bailouts for banks, insurers, and other financial companies. We’ll use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off.

Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges.

Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks.

Establish a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed out bankers.

Support the formation of federal, state, and municipal public-owned banks that function as non-profit utilities.

Under the Green New Deal we will start building a financial system that is open, honest, stable, and serves the real economy rather than the phony economy of high finance.


We won’t get these vital reforms without a fourth and final set of reforms to give us a real, functioning democracy. Just as we are replacing the old economy with a new one, we need a new politics to restore the promise of American democracy. The New Green Deal will:

Revoke corporate personhood by amending our Constitution to make clear that corporations are not persons and money is not speech. Those rights belong to living, breathing human beings - not to business entities controlled by the wealthy.

Protect our right to vote by supporting Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr.’s proposed “Right to Vote Amendment,” to clarify to the Supreme Court that yes, we do have a constitutional right to vote.

Enact the Voter Bill of Rights that will:

• guarantee us a voter-marked paper ballot for all voting;

• require that all votes are counted before election results are released;

• replace partisan oversight of elections with non-partisan election commissions;

• celebrate our democratic aspirations by making Election Day a national holiday;

• bring simplified, safe same-day voter registration to the nation so that no qualified voter is barred from the polls;

• do away with so-called “winner take all” elections in which the “winner” does not have the support of most of the voters, and replace that system with instant runoff voting and proportional representation, systems most advanced countries now use to good effect;

• replace big money control of election campaigns with full public financing and free and equal access to the airwaves;

• guarantee equal access to the ballot and to the debates to all qualified candidates;

• abolish the Electoral College and implement direct election of the President;

• restore the vote to ex-offenders who’ve paid their debt to society; and,

• enact Statehood for the District of Columbia so that those Americans have representation in Congress and full rights to self rule like the rest of us.

Protect local democracy and democratic rights by commissioning a thorough review of federal preemption law and its impact on the practice of local democracy in the United States. This review will put at its center the “democracy question” – that is, what level of government is most open to democratic participation and most suited to protecting democratic rights.

Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

Strengthen media democracy by expanding federal support for locally-owned broadcast media and local print media.

Protect our personal liberty and freedoms by:

• repealing the Patriot Act and those parts of the National Defense Authorization Act that violate our civil liberties;

• prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI from conspiring with local police forces to suppress our freedoms of assembly and of speech; and,

• ending the war on immigrants – including the cruel, so-called “secure communities” program.

Rein in the military-industrial complex by • reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;

• restoring the National Guard as the centerpiece of our system of national defense; and,

• creating a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.

Let us not rest until we have pulled our nation back from the brink, and until we have secured the peaceful, just, green future we all deserve.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 1 year ago

I keep wondering about the effort to create more jobs for the sake of creating more jobs. Wouldn't that make the world more complicated than it needs to be? What if we had to work less? That would create a lot more jobs, and less stress.

I worked at a yoga community for some time. Nobody worked more than 20 hours, not 40. It was amazing because you never really got sick of the work, no matter how mundane it was, and also you actually had free time and energy for hobbies and personal work.

If everything needs to change anyway, it's something to consider. I know that right now they like the working class to work itself to the bone because they don't what us having free time and energy to think for ourselves and be creative.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2727) 1 year ago
[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 1 year ago

Check occupy sandy, & the rolling jubilee