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Forum Post: Nationalize, Nationalize, Nationalize!

Posted 3 months ago on May 12, 2018, 9:44 a.m. EST by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX
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All of medicine, pharmaceuticals, finance, insurance and real estate shall be operated on a non profit basis of, by and for the people in a sane community that protects the survival of the human race from the threats we face.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/05/trump-vows-lower-drug-prices-skeptics-doubt-much-will-change.html

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[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

The common wisdom is: we don't destroy an existing evil until we have a new one to replace it.

Wisdom is uncommon! If Godzilla has been in the countryside fertilizing the fields with excrement from villagers it's eaten and leaving the bankers who own the monster and the farms, it's considered collateral damage and usually a necessary evil.

When the monster rampages on to Wall St., does anyone think the owners will concern themselves with how to fertilize the farmland before they destroy the threat to their existence?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

I see a flag on a mountaintop that I want to tear down.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 months ago

It's probably better done on a dual-track basis. Plant a better flag right next to it to compete against it rather than just tearing it down in a moment of tremendous frustration. Iran still haunts us today despite its nationalization of oil companies having occurred in the early 1950's. Socialism with fascist methods loved to nationalize and led to widespread stagnation of many peoples.

List the countries which had nationalized private properties and we get a good list of countries which were on the shitlist of the investors and stagnated. It's rather natural that stagnation follows the sucking away of the investment lifeblood for "national" ( we already know very well it's just for the oligarchs--Jeff Bezos is NOT the richest person in the whole world obviously! ) usage.

Recent examples close to home included Venezuela and Brazil. Venezuela "nationalized" oil company assets. China tried to shore it up after the investors had fled but even the Chinese realized that it was a basket case and cut their losses leaving their assets behind. You do know that assets are such only if they can generate livelihood, right? Otherwise, they are just the same as garbage occupying space and rotting away. Brazil had it going great for a while when huge oil reserves were discovered offshore but "socialists" then used their national oil company as their political piggybank so as the investors realized that they could not take the nastiness away from the pig, they fled.

Zimbabwe encouraged the seizure of farms from the Whites. The new owners could not operate them well. Food production collapsed. There was hyperinflation. Almost everyone still there suffered.

One thing that Rus China did correctly was to let the people keep most of their gains from their labor on their private properties, thus igniting the [Rus] China Miracle (even more so than the Japan Miracle.) It wasn't always that way because it had tried the perpetual revolutions and starved to death tens of millions of Chinese, the most ever in the entire world's history! "Mao had to die, for China to rise!" may be a bit hard or too embarrassing for the Chinese "Communist" Party to admit but it is very much true.

Emperor Xi promotes Confucius but Confucius was definitely not a Communist, maybe even more of a conservative. Now Emperor Xi wants to promote Karl Marx but I found some kids' comments about "the Big Bearded Ones" rather amusing because they are of course correct that very few Chinese have such huge and luxuriant growth of beard. They seem to be more like the Taliban, indeed. Maybe they are German (männliches Löwenbräu) beards with Chinese characteristics.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

The monster that's threatening our existence with it's stupidity and greed is empowered by its control of our food supply. You look for something to replace it better than taking its power for the people, if that pleases you. It will kill us soon if we don't destroy it. Conservatives will always see dire consequences if their god is threatened.

All the bad examples from our corrupt history of the past 10,000 years won't change my mind. The monster must go no matter the consequences!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 months ago

Postal bank is a quick and easy fix.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Postal bank is a quick and easy fix.

A great step in the right [meaning left] direction a postal bank would be.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 months ago

Why huffing-and-puffing down the neck of Amazon, Inc. when there exists at least one ready-made bank branch in every zip-code zone? Let the U.S. Postal Service make some money by deregulating it to allow it to get into banking.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Micro loans and non profit mortgages, car loans, whatever!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 months ago

Yeah, start with enough loans to Trump Enterprises, Inc. to pay off all of its foreign loans (especially the ones from Russian oligarchs--Russian domestic needs for development will no doubt benefit from the repatriation of the vast wealth of their oligarchs) so that the U.S. can dismount from a private-enterprise Presidency.

A few billion dollars will surely do the trick (just the weekend Florida golfing trips alone will surely amount to more than a billion dollars before this Presidency is over so what are a few billions to try rescuing the whole U.S., maybe even the world? Billions are just dust on the car @1:51 if we eye it with our pornographic scientific lust like that kid @0:20 does--astrophysicists are the scientists who stay up all night long perusing God's Playboy Magazine's centerfolds.) It's a very cheap ransom indeed when compared with fighting unnecessary land wars in Asia (as Gen. Douglas MacArthur had admonished against them many decades ago).

Coördination of détente with Trump Enterprises, Inc. was pioneered by Rus China. I hold no rights to this technique. The E.U. can license it from Rus China, for "classe affaires." I wonder what rights Rustia has to this technique, though. He mentioned both Rustian caveat and Peeking duck ( damn YKK's de facto monopoly, the zipper of the fly jammed so duck without a poison-ivy geo degree is cooling itself by emulating the Great mammalian invention of the Externally suspended testes.)

Hmm, how do the avians cool their sperm without the external scrotum? Are their sperm bodily-heat resistant? What mechanisms make them so? When did their ancestors become warm-blooded? When did their sperm become heat resistant? Their cousins, the dinosaurs, had warm-blooded kinds. Were the sperm of these kinds bodily-heat resistant, too? Do these kinds have external scrotum like the mammals? How are sperm made heat resistant?

I think that the human scrotum has already taken a giant leap towards heading off the crisis of fertility to arise from the greatly increased ambient temperatures from burning fossil fuels. When hot, my scrotum sweats! Yay! Maybe our ancestors had lived through an environment of great heat before, perhaps in South or East Africa. Do other primates sweat like we do? Or are we unique amongst the primates? If so, why?

I am however still apprehensive about the fallen sperm count of the men of the developed world. Could it be due to the pervasive usage of plastics in lining our cans, burger wrappers, etc.? Could it be due to our flushing our unused birth-control pills down the kitchen sink only to pump it back up from the ground as drinking water so that the men are being chemically emasculated daily? Is this why Middle Eastern asylum seekers are still virile?

If this is true, they must breed before the polluted environment of the West works its nefarious deed on them, too. Do the male rainwater ( rainwater is presumably less polluted by female birth-control pills or plastics ) drinkers have higher sperm counts than the male groundwater drinkers in the West?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

"I knew he’d lost control

When he built a fire on Main Street

And shot it full of holes

Oh, Mama, can this really be the end

To be stuck inside of Mobile

With the Memphis blues again" - Bob Dylan

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 months ago

Name the consequences that you're willing to live with and prepare to accept them. "There's a time for everything," but there should never be a time for bumbling.

Meanwhile, it may feel as if we are just pounding sand @2:41 but I can see the world in a grain of sand and a heaven in a wild flower. There is only one way out of retributions' vicious cycle: ceasefire. When I was thirsty and rescued after suffering a sunstroke on an island and being stranded by our boat which broke down in the sea, should I refuse a bottle of orange juice offered @2:19 in obvious goodwill? Of course not! It's the liquid-sunshine face of Mercy and Grace.

While stranded in the sea, I was surely glad to be rescued, regardless of whether the rescuers were age-old enemies or not. Their immediate actions superseded the old history. We observe the UNCLOS but it doesn't have to be just for the sea.

I think that high human density relative to the equitable sharing of vital resources has much to do with our mutual human animosity. We bicker when we are close enough to have conflicts over vital resources. Manufactured propaganda of many authoritarian societies caused many unnecessary and ridiculous conflicts.

I was very surprised at how some countries kept on propagandizing about how strong they would be if they were to get into a shooting war with the U.S.A. The simple-minded populace of theirs would be terribly sorry to get their ass handed back to them by the U.S. military. I admit that the U.S. military may not have been good at rebuilding societies but it surely could knock many things to rubbles (I got it wrong as 'rubles' which are still worth something in Russia for purchasing) extremely fast which is its primary duty.

In the First Gulf War, the initial proposal was to deploy half a million of U.S. troops to liberate Kuwait because Iraq was amongst the topmost handful of countries (such as China, Russia, Pakistan, and U.S.) with the most number of soldiers in their army. Besides, Iraq's best elite troops were occupying Kuwait. Once the shooting had started, it became blatantly obvious that Iraq's army was vastly outclassed by the U.S. troops even after the initial proposal for U.S. troop numbers had already been pared down. The objective of liberating Kuwait was achieved so fast that Japan's fretting over (due to its war-restrictive constitution from those days of MacArthur's occupation) how to help out with the war wasn't even finished when the war had already ended.

Japan was historically a very militaristic (many centuries of military dictatorship, Bushido, and some of the best steel swords and scissors in the world) and strong (and insular--this scares me a lot due to the potential miscalculations arising from what this seemingly innocent question implies: "Japan fought America--so which country won?" ) country that even China, the world's (often sole) superpower in recent millennia, had failed to invade. Nor did the Europeans who had invaded China successfully. Only the U.S. had successfully conquered Japan within the last few millennia. Re-arming Japan should be viewed apprehensively and handled cautiously because Japan had handed its neighbors' asses back to them at one time or another, including both China and Russia (also the British Empire was so global that it was almost neighbor with everyone so Japan conquered the Malay Peninsula and the British Crown Colonies Singapore and Hong Kong which were British-controlled), as well as the U.S. in the Philippines and at Pearl Harbor, halfway across the Moon-size Pacific Ocean. Japan kicked out the French from French Indo-China including what is nowadays Vietnam. Japan therefore kicked the asses of all five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council at one time or another. It possesses much plutonium to make nuclear weapons.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2153) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 months ago

Name the consequences that you're willing to live with and prepare to accept them. "There's a time for everything," but there should never be a time for bumbling.

Gilligan, the bumbler, was eventually rescued. I think.

The consequences have nothing to do with what I'm willing (or not) to accept. The monster is eating Cleveland today. If bumbling Wall St. idiots, like Trump, the bankers, investor/billionaires, Insurers. CEO con artists, Medical opportunists, overpriced communications Babel builders and the rest of the "economic wizards" don't get us, their unintended consequences of global warming or perpetual war to feed their MIC will do us in. The latter is not so unintended.

See? I have nothing to do with the consequences. Perhaps "no matter ..." was a poorly chosen phrase. I merely assert that the monster must be destroyed by any means imaginable. I don't know how to do that. I'm just putting it out there in the hope that together we will solve the dilemma.

I don't think I'm talkin' shit. I'm merely pointing out what should be, and will be, obvious.