Forum Post: MSNBC reporting on anarchists
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 23, 2012, 12:06 p.m. EST by richardkentgates
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MSNBC just said that anarchist are planning to disrupt the conventions. Not Occupy, not a protest. But "Anarchist are planning to disrupt the conventions". This my friends is early language to convince the people that there is no protest but rather domestic terrorists. Is this one of those "Washington Produced Stories" or did MSNBC take this one upon themselves.
Keep party baiting folks. MSNBC is a liberal leaning news channel and they don't seem to be supportive of Occupy or the 99% what so ever. Wake up folks. Your party has abandoned you, both parties.
And then there is this, http://truth-out.org/news/item/11074-tampa-authorities-empty-jail-in-anticipation-of-mass-arrests-at-gop-convention
and this http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80030.html?hp=r2
and this http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/22/cnns-gut-check-for-august-22-2012/
It was on CNN.com yesterday too.
And now Tampa is getting ready by emptying out it's jails.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11074-tampa-authorities-empty-jail-in-anticipation-of-mass-arrests-at-gop-convention
It is a fear tactic. It is an aim to piss people off.
All of the OWS and other Occupy people need to stay alert and absolutely peaceful. Stay on message - the government has abandoned the People - the government is under the control of the corpoRATist's. The government needs to be returned to serving the people. The Republican Party Is Currently the CorpoRAT party. Keep psycho mittens and sociopath ayn ryan the hell away from the white house.
No that is true they emptying out it`s jails ,they freeing many criminals , and they having national guard move in.,
I am not saying that their freeing up of a jail is untrue - I am saying that they are using it as a tactic to frighten people and to piss off people.
I hope if they do lock people up that the jail is safe from the hurricanes damage and flood tides.
Yes I see what you saying,As of today the local media in Florida is in full control of propaganda, even the channels I used listen too Republican are in full control over the media
Probably with the Gov's blessing clearing the way.
It's clear you're obsessed by the site. Not only by your preposterously high score, but by your hourly presence here. And, what do you do with all this time on your hands which you can generously devote to OWS. You waste it by talking about useless points.
Imagine how helpful you would be if you donated your time to an organization in your community that needs the help of someone with so much free time. You could write for a gay and lesbian group, or for the poor. You could organize a magazine for the homeless. There's so much more you could do, but you choose to waste all your time writing the same thing over and over again on this forum and to write useless letters to the president.
Dude, go back to grassroots initiatives. When was the last time you used this site to meet people in your community so that you can work with them to affect REAL CHANGE. You can do something to help FOR REAL. Sending letters does NOTHING. Trying to convince OWS protesters not to vote for the republicans DOES NOTHING as there are no OWS protesters who will anyhow. You're fooling yourself into thinking you are doing something useful when, clearly, you are not. Get out there and help a group in your community for Pete's sake!
I have a very real feeling that this is not your 1st time on this forum - I will go further and hazard a guess that you have been booted before - I may even go further and hazard a guess that you favor a certain Norse God.
Anyway - I don't care what U think of me or my efforts.
BuBye.
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Well said, a popular opinion, but wrong. You're still trying to win hearts and minds. It ain't gonna happen through the media. The only way to create change is to demonstrate that we're not playing the game, not lobbying for better elections, a buck or 2 more for this or that, we've checked out and the system can't reach us. We're not debating this or that reform, not listening to Amy Goodman or Michael Moore.
Then the richboys will call their goons, crack our heads, reform a few things, and give the credit to some MLK type.
Let me guess - U R somewhat twisted? No U need not respond. It is all there in your comment.
Seriously? I took a position. So much for your 'stay on message' bs. Someone disagrees and your name calling begins. I'm just saying that you won't win anything by staying between their lines. They'll make up lies, change the rules, spy on you, jail you, beat you up, and apologize after some investigative reporter digs out the truth 30 years later. Your 'absolutely peaceful' nonsense means you've misjudged who you're dealing with. They murdered 800,000 in Guatemala and the people responsible are still uncharged, in power.
you are so right. Not much has changed. Abortion is still a headline topic. The working class are still used as props but little ever done to assist them, like a living wage to feed house and clothe their kids.
And then, this is the best part. Government employees who are supposed to protect the people, like the FBI, trying to see which of the protesters they can get fired up to cause a scene or a dirty face to show the population that you stopped the gang of misfits but they were actually Americans demanding that politicians and law enforcement treat them like Americans instead of the enemy but they left that part out of the Breaking Story.
What is with you people? One need only a small view of the violent altercations at Occupy protests to see who is perpetrating the violence, and it isn't the protesters. Why don't you turn around at your desk and see how many of your buddies you can get stirred up.
They ( Florida ? ) ?
Anyway the point is OWS and all of the Occupy movements as far as I know are peaceful - and will stay that way. Violence is our enemy and plays into the establishments hands. Their violence is our friend as it points out the illegality of their position with no ifs ands or buts.
Was that supposed to be a gracious apology?
Accusing me of advocating violence? You really are a sweetheart.
For clarity's sake, I'm advocating attitude, not bombs. Stop expecting fair play or honest respect for law. You remind me of that Russian priest, what was his name, who led the peasants to plead for bread with the czars on Bloody Sunday. Wise up.
You can look at all of my posts and comments. Nowhere do I ever give the impression that we are on a cake walk. What I do though is try to advocate for the legal options that are open to us. In this still living democracy.
In other words, you try to put the brakes on the movement by channeling it into respectable outlets that don't alienate or frighten the decent folk in Lake Woebegone, and when someone suggests anything different, like I did, a few posts back, out come the insults and the accusations of violence.
You suggested nothing - you insinuated much. You said that OWS needs to stop doing what it has been doing - because it aint working. I say BS.
You say the rich boys will just crack our heads.
You do not say what you feel OWS should do - but you make it apparent by what you did say.
Go pedal thoughts of violence somewhere else.
Well excuse me for not posting my 12,000 page blueprint for humanity.
If you can stop typing long enough to read, I'll tell you where we should begin. We, everyone in Occupy, should learn Spanish, a massive show of unity with the immigrants, Spanish classes everywhere, everyone speaking Spanish as much as possible in public places.
This would totally change the conversation. Instead of a few lucky immigrants, the good ones, getting 'amnesty', we will debate whether their bosses deserve amnesty. Instead of grudgingly accepting a few, we will embrace them all and call for more to come. Is that pedaling violence? You seem to misjudge everything.
Wow - what an enlightening idea- scuse me I misjudged you so cruelly.
Yep - go for it - Good Luck - God Bless.
Both parties are the Corporate party
Both parties contain corpoRATist's - but both parties have not been completely co-opted yet. Or we would already be working in labor camps. The corpoRATist's have been stonewalling any good action to help the American people. If they were in control there would be no stonewalling there would only be compounded misery upon misery for the people.
You might check here to see if there are any who haven't been co-opted yet. They're rarer than hens teeth.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00027500&type=I
CorpoRATions give money to most political campaigns where they think the individual may win and it does not depend on that individuals party - they will give money in the hopes of buying support - they will give money to cover both sides of the race - just so they have some influence to bargain with.
Yes politicians who have not recieved corpoRAT money/donations/funding/bribes ( whatever you want to call them ) are exceedingly rare.
It is better to view voting records on critical legislation - to see where the corpoRATist's are operating.
Well said. Since money is the lifeblood of politics obviously they all have to take it. Which ones take it and vote against those interests. That is the meaningful stat.
That they take money is no surprise. What moron doesn't know politicians take money? What money in politics!? I'm appalled! When did that happen?
Elect progressives (Bernie takes money no?) Vote out pro CU republicans!
If a representative is receiving money from a corporation, he is already corrupt. By accepting that money, he is granting that corporation the same voice that should only be reserved for a person.
Do you accept campaign funds/money/donations or do you allow your campaign to be outspent by a considerable amount.
Politicians are gonna take money where ever it comes from to support their campaign as long as money is allowed in politics.
Get the money out of politics people!
Thx
Sure. This is a great sight, packed with the brutal truth of where the money is really coming from, both inside and outside money. Check out your own Senators and Congressmen. Surprise is almost guaranteed.
The guy I voted for didn't make the cut. Not enough money.
Even Rocky Anderson isn't on their website for the same reason.
Rocky limited donations to $100 per person.
He's definitely on my list to consider.
Don't forget Buddy Roamer. No big money, no nomination.
Buddy only accepts $100 per person. Definitely worth considering for that point alone.
The problem is with the people more than the candidates. They always want the name brands. They should check the label first for the added ingredients of greed and corruption.
Agreed. If people would drop this notion that only a Rep or Dem can be elected, non-corrupt candidates would be elected and we could make significant changes through the system.
BTW, I think Roemer suspended his campaign sometime this summer. Not on the ballot in enough states he said.
Too bad Buddy dropped out. Rocky Anderson's views are quite similar to many in Occupy. Worth a look.
Agree. FEMA/Haliburton camps, "Hunger Games"
Hey Nevada1 - and a good day to you. Yep - if the people do not regain control of the government soon ( ASAP ) - kick the corpoRATist's out of office and put some serious restraints on corpoRATions world wide - We are gonna be in a world of hurt - much much worse then what is happening around the world today.
I don't think we need to mix what we can prove with conspiracy theories. Not with something this serious. Keep your eye on the ball and we might shed some light on how DHS is bullying American protesters.
Not necessarily. Their plan might be to deceive people into believing that they're not in control.
So?
What?
Are you gonna start playing paranoia self destroya now?
Could you clarify?
If the corporatists were in complete control of both parties, would they want everyone to realize that fact, or would they prefer to remain under the radar? They like things exactly the way they are and plan to keep it that way.
People from Harvard are regarded as royalty
I still don't understand how that ties into the MSNBC report? No sarcasm intended, sometime I need it spelled out.
It doesn't directly tie to the MSNBC report. It seems to me that plans are being carried out to prevent any kind of massive turnout of protesters though. There are all kinds of warnings of arresting anyone disrupting anything.
I had planned on protesting in Tampa until recently learning about the cow pens where protesters can gather. Not even close to the Convention or downtown.
They been doin that at least since NYC in 2004. It's just more anti dissent/anti free speech/anti free assembly/anti free expression fascism.
You should go! They want you to stay home! It's why they do it!
Fight the powers that be" PE
Well after the way they reacted to the NATO protest, I expected something. It's a shame to see media showing their true colors again instead of doing whats right for a change. I think there needs to be a request placed to get the original source of the story, before they have a chance to false flag it.
Let us know how that request goes. You gonna ask MSNBC, CNN, or FOX?
IDK, why don't you keep stalking people on the web, acting like billy bad ass, and we might see who is paying you, Mark.
Do you think these news organizations are reporting the news that "the Police have issued warnings of possible anarchist violence"?
Is that possible? And if so shouldn't our problem be with the police if as we suspect they are simple creating the phony threat to create bad press for protesters and justify anti dissent tactics?
Does this have to be about anti Obama? I don't think he ordered the police to issue these phony warnings.
In any event our 1st priority should be the safety of our comrades not exploiting this to serve anti Dem partisanship.
the media rakes in a lot of money from political advertising, and then they charge more for pac-ads.
they don't want to loose their money.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/track-presidential-campaign-ads-2012/
What did you expect? Their true colors are showing. It's probably too late to prevent them from false flagging it.
ok. We should flood CNN with tweets, emails, and facebook comments. We must inform the Tampa/Charlotte OWS to be wary. Non violent tactics!
It's the only way!
Thanks for the research and accuracy!
Jail can not solve the problem, but created more.
They are clearing out those jails in order to use them as holding cells.
They just transferred the prisoners elsewhere.
police state.
It's been that way for many decades now.
Yes,since the start America revolution, they kill most of the native people.
Thx shooz, very much. ^
You're welcome. Just reporting what I can find.
I have no idea who voted you down for sayin' thanks, but I'll kick a few pluses your way.
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You're blind Zen. They just set the conversation. DHS is watching this website. There is an ad for OccupyOurHomes circulating on twitter, pending air time on the big three news outlets, cnn, fox, msnbc. There was thread posted yesterday about taking over the conversation and the conventions.
And today, instead of saying Occupy, they said anarchist. This sets the context of the protests to a scare word 'anarchist' and instead of saying protest they chose the word 'disrupt'.
I keep telling you guys.
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I'm not throwing up my hands, just taking notice. In fairness, I'll reserve judgement over this report, for now. I'm pretty pissed about it.
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we shall see... Will Occupy impact the dialog, or will the media help to squash the Occupy narrative. Sure, the media will go back to sympathizing with the 99%, just as soon as they get what they need first. Then the 99% will be back up as the political prop it is now. A prop, thats all we are to them. The right uses religion and the left uses populism, but neither of them give two shits about either topic. They care about that $.
Our behavior? Are you part of the anarchist group? Do you do anarchist stuff? I'm new here, but I read some of your postings. You don't seem to be an anarchist in any way shape or form.
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I didn't know anarchy had anything to do with rules. I though anarchy was about the absence of hierarchy.
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Why would they watch this website? There are no anarchists here planning anarchist things. All the forum posts are about the elections, just meaningless banter. OWS anarchists discuss their issues and plans elsewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOHyRxj4N5M
A good short video - that addresses some of OWS and also all of the Occupy groups views.
The point is the first report I watched was potential explosives, the third and last was on CNN with the revelation that there is no specific threat, just precaution. The FBI quoted as the source by each station, MSNBC and CNN.
We must make sure no OWS supporters are not planning violence. We must educate all OWS supporters (especially young naive ones) that they should be wary of possible police plants who might encourage violence to discredit this great movement.
The police have done this before. Every big OWS event has been preceded by a questionable police action against "anarchists" designed to create public support for extreme police action.
This is critical. All OWS supporters must be aware of this police effort! The party is irrelevant, The network is meaningless. Our safety is paramount. The OWS movement should be concerned 1st with the risk to our supporters then for our Public appearance.
And we should flood any network that uses "anarchists" in such a derogatory way. Send an email, tweet, facebook comment.
We need a link. A video. I've been listening to MSNBC, And I missed it.
Rich= This is not another opportunity to attack the Dems! This is a call to action to protect our supporters! And a call to action to respond to the unfair use of "anarchist". Don't you think? Put aside your anti dem partisanship for a moment and think about your fellow OWS supporters.
I am a registered Dem. My voter reg is in my desk, right next to my foot. What you guys don't get is that until the people are in control of government and the conversation, the parties mean nothing because the left and right have been hijacked by 1%ers. I wish I could get this through to you in a way you understood.
As far as self policing and safety, you're on the mark.
Forget the party non-sense.
Did you inform the Tampa/Charlotte posts? Do you care about the OWS supporters who are targeted by this kind of unfair reporting/policing?.
Do you have a link, video of the alleged story.? Or is this some pathetic attempt to attack the left? I mean I wouldn't be surprised but that would be pretty low. It certainly sounds more like a FOX story! But you saw it on MSNBC right? When?
I have been watching MSNBC since Morning Joe, this morning. Of course I have taken a break for shitting, posting on here, but it was live with that pretty boy anchor with the dark hair. I posted directly after the report.
And then there is this, http://truth-out.org/news/item/11074-tampa-authorities-empty-jail-in-anticipation-of-mass-arrests-at-gop-convention
and this http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80030.html?hp=r2
and this http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/22/cnns-gut-check-for-august-22-2012/
So you can continue trying to discredit me but the evidence is on the table.
I'm not trying to discredit you. You just trying to prod to the correct action upon hearing this disturbing news. It's NOT an opportunity to attack Dems!!!
It's a call to action to protect our fellow OWS supporters!
Asking for evidence is about verifying it is accurate. Shooz seems to believe it was CNN. You think it was both? Or could you have gotten the network wrong. It's kinda important.
I didn't see anything on your cnn link that showed the "analyst" report. Your post was clearly anti left. MSNBC hasn't been identified by anyone as the offending network.
Shooz mentioned CNN so that might be true. But you are obviously trying to attach this disturbing dangerous news to the left and didn't mention anything about informing our comrades or spamming the network.
Transparent. Forget the party non sense. Protect your comrades.
Hey, dreamingforward. I thought I recognized your pushy nature. How many times you guna vote yourself up? Pussy.
I'll just leave the links there for other readers to decide for themselves.
Support OWS. Warn our comrades of the anti dissent police tactics. Ecourage all non violent tactics.
Elect progressives, Vote out anti OWS republicans
MSNBC is good for exposing Republicans, fine. Also they're owned by General Electric, which couldn't be more Military Industrial Complex. http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/totals.asp?thisContractor=General%20Electric
I'm aware. Apparently someone called them out. They toned down the rhetoric on the second report of it today.
Richard I'm sure you are aware. I hope to help others see this. Thanks for your good work.
these conventions have no platform
CNN just reported it. This time admitting no known threats, just a general precaution. They showed an Anonymous video (Thus why I use my real name, DU!) also referencing the NATO kids that were arrested as a sort of name drop credibility ploy, but not mentioning the entrapment used in the case against the NATO kids and who they targeted for entrapment (the not so bright is who they targeted).
Turn your TV to MSNBC, they are about to give the report again with update.
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He is anti dem but ain't pro repub so you're barkin up the wrong tree. Troll
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