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Forum Post: More Right Wing Posers

Posted 7 months ago on Dec. 20, 2013, 12:55 p.m. EST by shooz (17816)
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As though they don't already have enough, "charities" they can pretend to be a "giving" faction over, they now also have the Franklin Center, as way to feel not only "charitable", but in league with the "founders".

"The Franklin Center for Government & Public Integrity (through its Wisconsin Reporter and Watchdog.org websites) has aggressively attacked the government’s "John Doe" probe into possible campaign finance violations during Wisconsin's 2011 and 2012 recall elections. Its media outlets have also published new information about the apparent targets of the investigation, but they have omitted an important detail: Franklin Center has close ties to individuals and groups that may be caught up in the John Doe probe.

The only name associated with the investigation led by the Milwaukee County's District Attorney's office, Eric O'Keefe, helped launch the Franklin Center's operations in 2009, and his Sam Adams Alliance group provided the majority of its startup budget. O'Keefe has spoken publicly about being subpoenaed in his capacity as director of Wisconsin Club for Growth. Franklin Center's Director of Special Projects John Connors, and the Executive Assistant to the President Claire Milbrandt, also have close ties to a group reportedly involved in the probe. Its former Director of Operations and General Counsel, James Skyles, worked with another group active in the Wisconsin recalls.

Franklin Center's Wisconsin Reporter has written 16 stories so far that are highly critical of the anti-corruption probe and prosecutors (calling its series "Wisconsin's Secret War"), but these latest revelations raise questions about whether the outfit has a conflict of interest in its coverage.

"It does sound like a conflict-of-interest situation that minimally ought to be disclosed, whenever stories are written," said Robert Drechsel, Director of the Center for Journalism Ethics at the University of Wisconsin School of Journalism and Mass Communications. "Particularly if the reporting in question is being done by an entity that holds itself out as nonpartisan and as doing the same kind of journalistic work being done by any traditional journalism institution."



As if ALEC, the SPN and FLAKESnews are not enough.



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[-] 2 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago

I admit the convolutions of the ALEC/SPN, (R)eplican't network, can be confusing.

I think that's one their missions.

Read more carefully and you will begin to understand.

Of course, considering your deletions, one has to find your posts even less readable and certainly less understandable.

Did you put in for those jobs yet?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago

Must be, considering you deleted so many of your comments.

Were you aware that some of those very same posers, posted links to the Franklin Center, right here on the forum?

Or did that confuse you too?

[+] -5 points by boscosmom (-12) 7 months ago

I skimmed it and my initial reaction was blah,blah,blah shooz





[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

we should simply cut off their heads. it is the only reasonable solution.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago

As I've said before, separating them from their money is their GREATEST fear.

In death, they would become martyrs.

Since so many here, don't believe "things" until it comes from "other" sources, I will provide one.


I wonder if Leo will post the whole thing?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

ya know what? I just do not have the patience to read the whole thing. It's the same old shit, and a demonstration of the necessity, the absolute necessity, of the Fairness Doctrine.

In this environment it becomes impossible to secure our nation's form of democracy, and the reason why is because even if prosecution of the campaign finance violations do take place, they will take place long after the fact, most people will lose track of who did what and why, and those who have broken the law will seek new legislative initiatives that will further erode the rule of law and make electoral reform impossible.

There is only one solution. These are not Patriots.

These are Tyrants.

They must be dealt with as such.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

This is just a cover up and a distraction for the FAILED libe(R)topian policies put in place in Wisconsin.

You wouldn't expect them to present the truth, would you?

The SPN is always there to sully it.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

this kind of bullshit will continue, and as it does it will get worse. the reason why it will get worse is because the allure of wealth is a powerful incentive, and those fostering these kinds of deceit do reinforce that promise of wealth.

The only effective method of curbing this kind of behavior is with fear, fear that outweighs the incentive of wealth. In such a case the only kind of fear that will prove effective is one that bears absolute certainty - the certainty that there will be no profit to be had.

That can only come from the certainty of either ostracism, total and complete, or of death, sudden and painful.

Neither prospect appears ready at hand, and so there is no curb to this kind of behavior.

All that remains is the incentive, proffered by the Koch brothers and their psychophants.

There really is only one solution.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

Removal of their wealth, is perhaps their only real fear.

To them, it would be worse than imprisonment, or even death.

Nationalize all of the Koch's money.....................:)

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I'm sure it would be much more difficult to get the public behind the effort to nationalize than other . . . methodologies . . . designed to correct the current imbalance might be.

And just think, it would provide one tremendous avenue for the entire host of . . . of . . . koch suckers . . . to trot out their favorite campaign slogans and anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-anti-capitalist diatribes.

Were I a person of sound mind I am quite certain that would be more than sufficient inducement for me to just shoot myself in the head and get it over with.

I mean, just think of the news hour - the fukers would be compelled to compete with every natural disaster to focus the news media on their issues from their perspective and so their talking points. It would become an endless circus of nonsense whose rising crescendo would surely drown out all else from the civil war in Syria to the next major ice storm across the northern tier of the nation to extreme weather events across Europe or even the next volcanic eruption that displaces air travel for over a week.

No sane person could possibly tolerate it for long. After all, we have suffered five long years of exactly this kind of behavior already. And that for no more than the fact of a black man in THE White House. How much worse do you suppose they might behave were they confronted with an actual crisis to their entire way of life?

The good news here is that I'm really not sane. The bad news here is, likewise, I'm really not sane. Hence, there really is no knowing just what I might or might not actually be able to tolerate. But never mind.

What I recommend is a distraction. Before we can nationalize their wealth we must distract them. The whole lot of them. Perhaps the best method of distraction is an efficacious and expedient removal of their leadership. Let those who remain contemplate the meaning and methodology of such removal - and into this environment nationalization of the wealth and assets of the entire fossil fuel industry may well proceed completely unopposed.

Let us go forth, and let the chorus rise up:

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

Are you kidding?

I get down voted, every time I mention them these days.

Poor, innocent libe(R)topian billionaires.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

I'm sure that if we just keep at it that it will in time catch on - In large part I place my faith in the Kochsuckers themselves. They just cannot help it. They simply must act to their own discredit, no matter how hard they attempt to disguise the fact.

It's alright. Just sit back, relax, exhale once or twice, and then say it, slowly.

Quietly . . .

  • fuk the koch.suckers

. . . and inhale . . .

  • fuk the koch.suckers

. . . and inhale . . .

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

The trick, as you well know, is to convince the downvoters.

It's not like they EVER provide a reason for their behavior.

It's not like they ever comment on the behaviors of the Koch's.

It has to make you wonder. Who the fuck are they?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

It has to make you wonder. Who the fuck are they?

Isn't it obvious? They are the koch.suckers . . .

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

I believe they belong to the broader base of manipulated libe(R)topians.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

really? How can you tell? Are they Joe the Plumber? Are they Sarabou types? And Sarabou - she was/is both manipulator and manipulated - for observe, she no longer holds office, and that came as a result of external pressure.

Some of them around here, no doubt, are paid to lie . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

In these days of advanced propaganda, paying them isn't necessary.

Just give them starry eyed views of liberty and freedom, and they will say what the Koch's want them to say. All while ignoring the realities of what the Koch's have said, done and are still doing.

Look at all those around here who find ways to minimize what ALEC has done and is doing.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Advance all the propaganda you want, you cannot convince me that any individual willing to take their money out of the banking system and put it into the credit union system, and stand at the barricades in protest of Wall Street, is seriously going to buy into the pro-ALEC bullshit -

anyone shoveling that pro-ALEC shit around here is paid to shovel it. Plain and simple.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

I'm thinkin' it's those who have been banned, that return to push the same identical crap that got them banned in the first place.

The same old crap, with a shiny new name. Like they run themselves through PR.

There's nothing shiny about them.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13432) from South Burlington, VT 6 months ago

Given that the entire format of the forum makes it difficult to keep track of who is who, I tend toward the side of caution when it comes to attempts to explain away the behavior we see around here. There could easily be many explanations.

Of one thing I am certain, and that is, those professing a pro_ALEC position do so for reasons they would not discuss openly, and they are almost certainly being paid by someone.

[-] -2 points by revolutionman (-106) from Kentland, IN 6 months ago

The "trick" is community building. The first step is listening to the arguments of those you disagree with instead of trying to shut them down before they can even talk. Nothing good will happen in US until the right and left start finding common ground to fight against the 1%. People are still fighting against each other. Partisan politics is destroying America. This lame duopoly is killing us all.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

You have NO feel at all for community.

You should go back to pushing your usual conspiracy theories.

BTW: I actually have listened to all those lame, fucked up arguments.


Not so much.

[-] -2 points by revolutionman (-106) from Kentland, IN 6 months ago

I have no feeling for community? You know nothing about me.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

Why don't you tell me?

All I know is you are a supporter of Ayn/Ron Paul style libe(R)topianism.

[+] -4 points by revolutionman (-106) from Kentland, IN 6 months ago

I support Ayn and Ron Paul? Where did you get that nonsense from? Maybe you should start listening instead of making stuff up about other people you know nothing about.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

It has everything to do with your promotion of Alex Jones characters.

You have NO feeling at for communities.

As a test, try cogent commentary on this community.



[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

Switching to a completely new form of trading device would be the ultimate leveller of the playing field.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

Swapping "trading devices" won't do a thing about what they have already horded.

Nor will it effect the laws that they have already affected.

They are still moving ahead with great speed.

Poisoning minds, politics, countries, philosophy and the Planet.

Here's another reason why Michigan matters.


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

So, when a new currency replaces the old one, the horders and hiders of their ill-gotten gains will just rock up to the exchange booth, and swap their millions and billions? No questions asked?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

I've provided an actual event for you to comment on and you give me conjecture?

You can buy a Tesla with bitcoin these days.

A whole lot of bitcoins.

[-] -1 points by Builder (4202) 6 months ago

You mis-interpreted my initial post.

Money is a trading device.

You went somewhere off on a tangent.

Michigan is not relevant to anything other than what occurrs, when corruption reigns.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17816) 6 months ago

Asking for clarification and examples, isn't going off on a tangent.

Ignoring actual issues, on the other hand IS.

It's funny to me how community is always so promoted, until actual examples are provided. then you pretend it doesn't matter.

That's exactly the attitude that allows corruption to continue, unabated.


[-] -3 points by mikefrommichigan (-1) 7 months ago

I didn't understand this post. It's convoluted.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago


I'm sure then, that you will find this even more confusing.


The answer to your confusion lies within.

[+] -5 points by mikefrommichigan (-1) 7 months ago

Why are there so many deleted and removed comments here?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago

Talk to Matt.

He was confused too.

Did you follow the links?



[-] 1 points by shooz (17816) 7 months ago

Try this one then.

The "work" of libe(R)topians is always puposely convoluted.