Forum Post: More Racism in the GOP
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 25, 2012, 10:46 a.m. EST by shoozTroll
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Apparently it will won't end until there are no more (R)epelican'ts as we know them.
When will they decide that YOUR vote is nothing to give a rats ass about?
Racism is fast becoming a corner stone of the (R)epelican't party, as they move ever closer to becoming full blown neolibe(R)tarians..
So just to clarify, what is the difference between libertarians and neolibertarians?
Im not saying the Republican Party doesnt have racists in it. Im just asking for the definitions of these cute little phrases you love so much so I can better understand them.
I think that is very important.
Military training: kill the towel heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1o0ooNn8Qc&feature=player_embedded
I believe the difference lies in the how it is practiced and understood.
The neolibe(R)tarians follow objectivism to a fault, and freely distribute Ayn Rand literature. They are often international as well. They also tend to be very rich.
The libe(R)tarian you meet on the street? Is just misled as I once was.
Those are talking points. I'm looking for tangible differences.
Libertarians are more worried about social liberties where as Neolibertarians, in a heart beat, would sell out social issues if they knew they could strengthen their economic liberties. That's the way I differentiate the two.
Thank you!!!!
You see the difference.
Libe(R)tarians claim to be about personal liberties.
Neolibe(R)tarains are all about economic liberties, and in the end those liberties negate the social liberties.
Sounds a lot like neolibs vs liberals, and neocons vs cons.
It might seem that way if you don't look beyond the propaganda of the duopoly paradigm.
You have to think outside what you've been told.
.thats funny. ...
No.
That's serious.
I've explained to to you far too many times and in far too ways, for you to take it so lightly, and then pretend you've never heard of it.
But then you always were a libe(R)tarian sympathizer. Often the first to stick up for Ron Paul. You even did that, just today.
Saying that our democracy is a scam could be taken that way, I suppose.
You stick up for the status quo, and I dont. Ive heard you explain your positions many ways, yet they are always the same end point- more of the same.
Whats funny is for someone like you who has followed the establishment's clown show lock and step for their entire long life, to tell someone they need to open their eyes.
Look at Jesse's answer, thats an answer.
That was a scathing pack of lies, and then you wonder why you're difficult to trust?
As usual for you, you even toss in an attempt at insult.
I think I'm done having any respect for you.
I did not attempt to insult you, yet you seem unable to communicate without insults.
It's you who is the smoke and mirrors.
I didnt see any insults in there.
If you are insulted, perhaps you need to start taking some emotions out of your mind when reading replies. I'm simply stating that you have endorsed Duopoly for most of your life (youve told me this).
That my saying the RP delegates got screwed is more of a line on the state of the democracy than an endorsement (i thought you agreed with this before).
And that you prefer to continue to vote for the two current power brokers in washington (i believe this is true too, right?)
So where are the insults? I didnt call you dumb for falling for it, did I?
Another pack of lies, hchc?
Are you capable of anything else?
Lies are only lies if they are disproved.
The current state of our political system is a total 100% farce. Its a hostile takeover, and its not going to change until the political leaders on teh ground, the politically active within communities, decidet that enough is enough.
That's just it.
You haven't come close to proving a thing.
Except that it was probably not a good idea to give you a community outreach position.
Or did you volunteer?
Interesting that you still have no in depth comments on the racism and generally despotic politics of Florida, and the wonders of Rick Scott.
Yes, yes. You really are a liar.
Thats because you ignore alll the posts on solutison, and the ones on Rick Scott. its OWS, i dont post too much on our local situations.
Banking and bought out politicians. Thats teh focus. Try to keep up.
And I dont need to prove things that are obvious, like your blindness to what this thing is. You do that for all the people who are down with occupy and come here to see you cheerleading the very shit we are protesting.
People who want change appreciate what we are doing. Those who want the status quo, like yourself, usually arent very touched by outreach, regardless of how many facts we put in your face.
I'll give you that. And from that perspective I could see how one would say that our democracy is all smoke and mirrors, considering both parties have Neopoliticians.
Tangible?
The guy next door, compared to either one of the Koch brothers.
42% of African American children live in poverty.
According to the libe(R)tarians on this site, it's their own damn fault for being born in the first place.
Those kids should just learn to work harder.
Remember how bad the RP drones were last fall? Remember when Paul = Lawl on the forum? So funny.
And, yep, the libertarian platform is merely a ruse to make the wealthy wealthier.
Remember?
I'm still dealing with them.
Another one, just today and that's just the RP folks
I hope you know of my theory on neolibe(R)tarians.........
Yes, and lol!
It stops the duopoly people dead in their tracks, because it just can't be pasted over the whole World.
The neolibe(R)tarian theory, however fits like a glove.
How about facts: "Bigotry and the Death of Respectable Conservatism" by Tim Wise. All you have to do is go on any news forum on the internet to see these statements, and much worse. http://www.timwise.org/2012/08/if-it-walks-like-a-duck-and-talks-like-a-duck-racism-bigotry-and-the-death-of-respectable-conservatism/
There are many here that feel that there is no bigotry and racism.
You and I, and at least a few others know that not only is that not true, but in that denial, there is endorsement of that behavior..
Yes. Did you know today is the 49th anniversary of MLK "I have a dream" speech"? Watched it again, still incredible to see and hear.
That speech should be played on every network and every radio station, all at the same time, so everyone gets a chance to hear it again.......:)
A truly great American.
Agreed :). Anyone who can't appreciate that speech has no heart.
Played at full volume you would have to be dead not to get adrenalin rushing through your veins.
Most of the bigots and racists are 80 or 90 years old. Be patient, they'll be dead soon enough.
So true, Mary. I live in Raleigh, NC. Sometimes I comment on the News and Observer's (local daily) site. I'm convinced that the intense excitement that conservatives exhibit any time some abstract argument about economic policy touches on deficits, taxes, fiscal policy, interest rates -all of it - is completely unnatural. Underneath is a barely repressed racial rage. It's all bottled up because they know they have to maintain a non-racist fiction.
But try introducing Freud. That's a nonstarter.
The connection between racism and sexism, always strong here in the South, also helps explain the New Sexism, which is intensified by displaced energy from the race issue.
Well that makes a lot of sense. And here I was thinking the new sexism was due to something in the water. Thanks, I'll check out your link also.
I live in Raleigh, NC where I sometimes post comments to the daily newspaper's (News and Observer) stories. Whenever racism comes up, usually in fairly obvious cases, the conservatives are skillful at deflecting the charge. The 'race card' is regarded as a ploy used by libtards who have swallowed the mainstream media's kool-aid.
The conservatives think that as long as they avoid offensive insulting words, racism doesn't exist. Try pointing out, for instance that 12 million people of a different color and ethnicity receiving substandard treatment is racism. They will scream about the law.... Slavery was the law.... Borders are not slavery. So it goes.
Here's the bottom line about the conservatives I've talked with. They display enormous passion about things like deficits, budget ceilings, tax codes, entitlements, all dry matters of economic policy. Behind the passion about boring stuff is the racism. It's barely suppressed and sometimes leaks out. They generally seem to know the rules about what can be said, but if you watch, you'll see them nodding and winking. Interestingly, sexism is similar, but the rules aren't as carefully defined, the repression not as thoroughly learned. That's why we've had more high profile cases of conservatives making outrageous sexist statements. (Limbaugh, Akin)
Please visit Occupy Raleigh's Forum. We need stimulating comments.
I've met these "kinds" of people here in Michigan too.
they are able to put on a show in public, yet in private the bigotry comes out full force.
I would be glad to check out Raleigh's forum.
Could you provide a link?
http://forum.occupyraleigh.net/
I'm amazed that the republicans plan to run strictly on their economic nonsense. I've always assumed that the right depended on drugs, crime, foreign devils, wars, racism, sexism, religion, etc.
I'd be grateful for comments on Occupy Raleigh's site, so grateful that I'll offer you my sure fire, can't miss, make a million idea (that I haven't acted on) in advance.
Write a movie script called: Trickle Down, The Movie. and sell it to the conservatives. It's obvious that their notions need to be made more concrete, tangible, believable. Don't feel you need to be any more realistic than a typical war movie designed to glamorize militarism. heroism
I think that was already done in the Atlas Shrugged movie.
It did however flop.
thanks for the link........:)
Republicans have no shame!
Shame is the least of it.
They stopped making sense some time ago.
Their disdain for we the little people has become blatant.
And obviously women are low on their respect meter, Immigrants, LGBT, All people republicans seem to disdain. Even the elderly are under attack by the new medicare voucher plan and the Social Security privatization plan republicans have been trying to impose for decades.
Hard to believe any one votes for them. I guess that is why they are trying to cheat everywhere (Ohio, PA, & FL most acute attempts).
It's disgusting.
republicans ... the quintessential fictional enemy
Not real?
it goes too far
A galaxy far, far away?
You have I'm sure, heard the term low information voters?
Then there are those that vote for them just for that bigoted platform.
Some. Many are drawn to fake religious based arguments.
More disgustingness!
Those are just another excuse for bigotry.
It's the reason so many turn to libe(R)tarianism as well, as it too offers a path to legitimatized bigotry.
All you have to do is listen to a speech by Rand Paul, to know it is so.
I agree 100%.. I don't trust libertarians for that reason.
Don't know how I missed this from Disneyworld.
Imagine that, A Mexican in America!
They were expecting a wasp?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/31/republican-delegate-and-wife-are-offended-by-a-mexican-working-at-epcot-center/
Guess they missed the part about America being a melting pot in their history classes. Huh . . . victims of revisionist history teaching?
So are they really republican or RINO ?
They are (R)epelican'ts, one and all!!!!
Repellent in their beliefs and behaviors. Would they have felt better if that person was of Arabic decent?
Don't google that, or you will find the latest in bigotry.
At their reaction to a South American - I expect that they would have filled their pants had they met an Arabic American.
Mexico is still very much a part of North America.................:)
Though some (R)epelican'ts are now confusing it with the Middle East.....LOL
You know education has failed many - these are probably victims of a poor edumacation. You think they know about the Canadians?
You know education has failed many - these are probably victims of a poor edumacation. You think they know about the Canadians?
They know about their oil sands....That's for sure~
Other than that, I believe they think Canadians reside on the Arctic continent.
LOL
Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican and wisely observed, "Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Well, it is no secret the agenda of this country. Anyone who understands history also understands who and why this government was founded and is run the way it has been. This country was not founded for anyone other than those of a specific lineage, doctrines and ideals. That is the truth of this economy as well.. It is a hard pill to swallow, but most people don't want to face that this is the reality here and around the globe. Until we come to realize the underlying doctrines of this nation and who created it, we will continue to have those lost nations suffering. Now, if we are to take the lesser of the two evils, then most know who they will re-elect....right?
None of this makes any sense in the context of the thread.
Just what are you getting at, and what does it have to do with bigotry and racism?
Naivete.... Bigotry and racism exist in this country due to the fact the "alleged" founding fathers created this system for themselves and their kind ONLY! Not for the tired or the poor alleged "black" people, or Mexicans, but for the pale skin nations of Europe and the immigrants who arrived here shortly thereafter. Get the truth on this great nation of ours!
Nowhere are they (alleged minority) a part of any history of this great land except as viewed as being foreign to these shores and that is a lie! Now we are finding out who actually lived here before they (European explorers, Immigrants, newcomers) arrived on these shores yet, these original peoples (not Indians) were written out of English/American laws, policies, documents and history, except as slaves and as slave holders themselves! .
Why, after almost 700 years is there still a need to be recognized?.
What people fail to realize is that the labeled second class citizens on these shores comes from the way this establishment was set, how the educational books were written, how the laws were created and how the reality of it all is frightening to them. It was created for the pale skin European male, pure and simple. Anyone who agrees is in favor, anyone who does not is an enemy to their cause! Regardless of how many laws enacted, it has not changed.
Why is this so hard for people to understand? The underdog remains the underdog until he/she/they come to the realization that there is no reason to remain the underdog.. Pure and simple! This is a pale skin European male structured society, and that is why no one will get it together until they understand that fact .
They created for themselves a heritage, a nationality, a flag, a religion and their country has their names in most instances! Now.......who can dispute those facts?
Everyone is living in a fake LA LA land, and the elitists will never ever let you know otherwise, or care one way or another!
Why should they? Would you if you had the pot of gold at the end of your rainbow? Now, I have given my piece and I will hope that instead of interrogating me...find out why people still enjoy being mental slaves and remaining in this political posturing game of bull shyt, instead of standing up for what is right for themselves and their future generations. What will be the new game next year?
How utterly despicable for a race and an intelligent nation of people to continue to undergo such confusion as to who and what they are!
So then, you are pro bigotry ?
Or do you just feel there is no way to combat it?
Is it even possible to combat it if we don't identify it when we see it?
did you listen to the speeches of artur davis or mia love?
I've heard of Ms. Rice too.
What does any of that have to do with the threads statement?
i didnt ask you who you've heard of, i asked you if you listened to those peoples speeches.
I try to avoid them, as they tend to turn my stomach.
what a good little ostrich you are. keep yourself uninformed, let others give you an opinion on what really was said.
FLAKESnews, all I have know is that they are frequent contributors.
There ain't a lick of truth on the whole network, and there you are lappin' that shit up.
It's sad, when you realize, just how many flakes FLAKESnews is creating.
i watched the convention on CSPAN. no commentators. no opinons, straight broadcast of speeches and events.
You my friend are a fake!
You know exactly what I am stating, so....Enough of this bull shyt...OK?
"The underdog remains the underdog until he/she/they come to the realization that there is no reason to remain the underdog.. Pure and simple! This is a pale skin European male structured society, and that is why no one will get it together until they understand that fact ." Now with understanding comes strength and the ability to do something about it...not crying in your milk! So..your rabble rousing does nothing to solve the problem...when people stand up for the truth then this system will change for the better. Voting is fine and dandy but the people need to get out from under this iron hand oppression that has gone on for too long. It is this European system of servitude that keeps the yoke around peoples necks. I believe that you are here to keep people hooked on the idea that they should remain in servitude in this system and that voting will fix the problem...It will not!
Economic independence is the key and since this country is being held hostage, I simply don't buy anything on this forum as being sincere from any of you all!
You still haven't provided a way to combat it and you didn't answer the questions.
You just tried to shoot the messenger.
No worries, I'll continue to post reality as I find it.
I know you will...most supporters of this Corporate american fiasco still do on here. As far as answers or how to combat it....trust me...after a while....individuals will come up with their own solutions. This country is headed for a total melt down and chaos. So, you my friend should be the one to have a definitive plan of action for your own people as well, since this is your brainchild of a post....right?
Riddle me this....how many votes will it take to keep the grocery stores open, or the gas prices from rising any further, or the total electrical grid from shutting down or the National Guard off the streets to enforce martial law? I'll tell you right now...not a damn one!
Don't think it can happen....then you are truly in LA LA LAND! Here is the reality none of you really want to face, while all this bull shyt political posturing is going on!
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=Tent+city+in+Florida Coming soon to a city near you! "Economic and social independence for each nation within this nation is the key and since this country is being held hostage, I simply don't buy anything on this forum as being sincere from any of you all!"
After all...Nero fiddled, while Rome burned to the ground! http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/tampas-strip-clubs-await-republican-windfall/1248067 It's all political bullshyt!
Tell "Blacks" to take back and proclaim their nationality and take back their legal birthrights, not just granted privileges by the elite. End of line....
When did reporting racism and bigotry become indicative of corporatism?
That has to be one of the biggest stretches of reality that I've yet seen here.
Will you start chanting about duopoly next?
Now that I have your attention...stop reporting racism and bigotry without giving the correct solution to the problem regarding the misrepresented people on these shores who are not...Negros, Blacks, African Americans, coloreds, etc. What is their true origin, what is their true nationality and name? What is their rightful position in this so-called political power play that exists? Stop digging the well deeper without tapping the water.
You are chanting and ranting, yet you fail to disclose ( and if you do know you are truly a traitor to your own people) what this nation is all about!
So, as far as I'm concerned, you are the one chanting about duopoly...in your own mind. You my friend show that you are the real BIGOT! You have no solutions, you have no voice, you have no citizenship. To this nation....you are a nobody and all of you shall remain that way.
I'm afraid I have made suggestions to help ease the problem.
I'm so sorry you failed to notice.
You on the other hand, offer nothing at all, except to ignore the problem.
I know this speech is filled with what has been called "dog whistle" bigotry and racism.
Listen close and you will hear it, and know where to begin.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/29/santorum-tampa-speech-sets-tone-for-republican-racial-divide-campaign/
Spare me the nuances, I know who I am and where I am going. Speeches mean nothing to me.. I have heard them all, seen them all and our nation of people are still in deep do-do and can't seem to get out of it. I am not here to attack you or anyone else for that matter. I just think that if you keep trying to patch an old care with the same old glue (political window dressing) and the same old duck tape (ignoring documentation concerning the people of this country with its founding) then you will still have a broken system.
Honey...the truth is out there...why are you all afraid to look for it? What is your nationality, your origin, your roots, your true birthright? I am done here...
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You're done?
Good. You didn't add much anyway.
Just some oddly self aggrandizing stuff.
Now you can go back to ignoring racism and bigotry wherever you may find it.
Let's see...my family just watched Rosewood again,
Now, how long before history repeats itself?
Stay sleep my friends....I really could care less about your ignorance to the truth about yourselves and the reality of the world you actually live in....
Tah, Tah!! Oh...and Peace!
".I really could care less"
The only words of clear truth you've spoken on the subject so far.
C'mon by and I'll take you on a tour of the city of Detroit, and show you what racism creates.
Honey, what racism created is in your own mirror.
It is hatred of self and ignorance to your own individual potential for freedom from mental slavery!
Take a closer look at that and then perhaps all of you will understand where I am coming from.
No one is gonna save you all my dear! You have to save yourself!
I'm just here to let you know that you all are failing at moving forward into the next decade! There is an agenda out there, and most of you are not on it! You are all Stuck on Stupid.
So...don't take your frustration out on me..... Look in the mirror again...if you have the courage!.
Racism in Ohio too.
You didn't really think voter suppression was anything else did you?
http://truth-out.org/news/item/11136-ohio-gop-admits-early-voting-cutbacks-are-racially-motivated
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12837739-republican-racism-revealed-and-unleashed-in-tampa
Such an appropriate place for racists to meet up.
Another take on the GOPs racism.
be afraid.
http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-transcend-birtherism-embrace-brazen-racism.html
KKK Terrorist Arm of the Democratic Party
By Frances Rice
History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party. This ugly fact about the Democrat Party is detailed in the book, A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers, Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only the second person to serve as president of the three major professional organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians. Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat…. My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic party.”
Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by Democrats against Republicans, black and white.
On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”
Heartbreaking are Professor Foner’s recitations of the horrific acts of terror inflicted by Democrats on black and white Republicans. Recounted on pages 184-185 of his book is one such act of terror: “Jack Dupree, a victim of a particularly brutal murder in Monroe County, Mississippi - assailants cut his throat and disemboweled him, all within sight of his wife, who had just given birth to twins - was ‘president of a republican club‘ and known as a man who ‘would speak his mind.’”
“White gangs roamed New Orleans, intimidating blacks and breaking up Republican meetings,“ wrote Dr. Foner on page 146 of his book. On page 186, he wrote: “An even more extensive ‘reign of terror’ engulfed Jackson, a plantation county in Florida’s panhandle. ‘That is where Satan has his seat,‘ remarked a black clergyman; all told over 150 persons were killed, among them black leaders and Jewish merchant Samuel Fleischman, resented for his Republican views and for dealing fairly with black customers.“
Frances Rice is the Chairman of the National Black Republican Association and may be contacted at: http://www.nbra.info/
It's not like that anymore, no, no. It's not like that anymore.
Now it's all about the (R)epelican'ts and libe(R)tarians.
They want to crush minorities and make the handicapped stay indoors.
Plus shove creationism down innocent throats.
That's some bad, bad mojo.
Boehner gets in on the act of hating minorities.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/27/1124892/-GOP-Racism-Boehner-Says-Out-Loud-He-Hopes-Blacks-and-Latinos-Won-t-Show-Up-This-Election
It would appear there is no end to GOP bigotry.
Thanks for the article. I also signed the petition it contained.
What I added to the petition letter:
We need to do so much more for our environment. The thing is WE CAN - WE JUST NEED TO REQUIRE IT BE DONE AND DONE NOW. Educate the Public as the Main Stream Media is not doing it. I wonder why not ( CorpoRATion owned ) ? Educate the public and get them to join in the call for saving the environment and our world, at the same time strengthening our infrastructure and our economy.
We do not need to destroy the environment, we do not need to poison the Air the Land and the water.
There are clean power/energy/fuel alternative technologies available - RIGHT NOW.
Spread the word.
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You have got to watch this vid: The liquid Metal Battery - another piece to the puzzle.
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Support green energy technology - industry - jobs. Save our world save our economy.
Rework free trade agreements as they are currently detrimental to the Business, Employment, Economic and Environmental health of the USA and in extension the world.
Put an end to outsourcing for Profit over People and the environment.
Stop world wide corporate abuses of people and environments.
Give this some serious thought/consideration.
Calling someone a racist is no substitute for presenting a good agrument. It is the same as saying you don't give a rats about the importance of your disgreement.
Racism exisits in the mind and harms no one except that individual . Actions (like claiming to be able to read minds) are what injures others.
You're either very naive, or sticking up for racism.
Here's a whole lot more on the subject for your perusal.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-not-about-race/
The attempts at mind reading continue and are even less credible when writing about and to the one person that can know, and then getting it wrong.
I know. So you should stop doing it, and actually read the thread I've provided for you..
It will take a bit of determination on your part, but I think you can do it.
I did read the link you sent (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/racist-don-t-nig-anti-obama-bumper-sticker-162917634.html).
If you found out that the bumper stickers were being offered by a Dem interested in inciting racial tension to increase voter turnout would you condemn them with equal vigor?
I don't deal in what ifs.
It's pointless.
I haven't heard you condemn that which is so very, very real.
That's a kind of endorsement.
Pointless indeed:
"What if it is treason?":
http://occupywallst.org/forum/flakesnews-treason/
"What if it gets in the ground water":
http://occupywallst.org/forum/fracking-the-issuethat-wont-go-away/
If we imagine that half the world are racist, bigots, misogynist, homo-phobes, nazies, or pick you pejorative. Then we don't have to deal with their arguments, we can just hate them.
That's because it is treason to do what they did.
It has gotten in the ground water, it's those that have poisoned it that are in denial, because they can afford to be.
Call it poetic license, because I pointed those things out in the body of the thread.
The bumper sticker is rather blatant and without question is racist.
There's BIG difference.
The producer (and the motivation of the producer) of the sticker are both unknown. It is a huge "what if" to slander 40 million people with no evidence. Fueling racial hatred with such slushy evidence is not only irresponsible, it is dangerous.
The only question is, do you find it racist or not?
There is nothing slushy about it. It's quite real.
The only slush is in your response.
Actually there are lots of questions, many of which are, unlike the last post, un-rhetorical.
One question that might take some courage:
When is inciting violence with uncorroborated, anonymous information less important than tarring your opponents with slurs gleaned from an imagined ability to look into their minds and see their thoughts?
Oh dear.........you didn't answer the questions..........again.
As far as your question?
Consider if you will. Rush Limbaugh.
So if Limbaugh incites violence that gives you license to do the same thing? That makes you no better than Limbaugh!
The point is that what ever issues you have with Reps (or anyone else) there are plenty of credible ways to make your case without using dreck like that bumper sticker.
"Remember two wrongs don't make a right, but three do." - G. Carlin
I didn't incite a thing, the (R)epelican'ts did.
Have you always tried to shoot the messenger?
That sticker is actually pretty mild compared to other I've seen on the net.
There's almost 500 posts in that thread, if you really look through it, yuo will find many others.
(R)epelican'ts and their supporters have shown a decided propensity to practice all kinds of bigotry and racism.
Ok Rush, have at it. See if you can get somebody killed.
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I fear the many pro Occupy people can rightly be called "white leftists" meaning not that they are white but that their leftism ignores black oppression and is in fact "white." For example this post got shadow banned pretty fast.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/in-the-latest-nbc-poll-romney-got-zero-percent-of-/
Why are zero percent of black people saying they'll vote for Romney? Even McCain got four percent of the Black vote. It's because Black voters see this election as a life and death matter, no joke! White "leftists" (meaning adherents of the white left, some may not be white themselves) ignore the fact that you now have a member of a racist cult (a mormon) running a down and dirty lying racist dog whistle campaign against the first Black president of the united states. At issue is the little that's left of the social safety net and voting rights, and gay rights, and women's rights. Importantly at issue is really whether Blacks are really Americans. The seriousness of this situation just doesn't penetrate the skull of the head up his ass "white leftist."
If blacks vote in the same numbers that they did in 2008, Obama will win no problem. It is whether the hope and change that brought out so many of them for the first time in 2008 hasn't soured over the past 4 years because of a perceived lack of results or broken promises.
Republicans have made great efforts to suppress the black vote!
Then they should be proactive and go out and get some IDs and not leave it up to the courts or politicians. Problem solved. They have over 2 months to do it. Black voter turnout, which was historically high in 2008, regressing back to the mean is going to be a bigger problem than voter ID laws. Those who didn't see the hope and change they expected in 2008 may go back to staying home on election day as they did for the elections prior to 2008.
many states take 8 weeks to get an id! PA hired a Romney bundler to advertise the new voter id requirement! Hmmmm? PA has an id office opened 1 day a week! Repubs can't win without cheating.!
So voter ID laws aside, do you think black turnout would be the same as it was in 2008?
Of course. Why not?.
I think a lot of blacks, who never voted before 2008, are disappointed in the lack of change after a promise of "hope and change" and will go back to not voting as they did in the past.
Personally, I voted for Obama in 2008 and am pretty disappointed and things have gotten disproportionally worse among the black community since 2008. I think people see Obama as just another say anything politician in 2012 as opposed to someone promising hope and change in 2008.
I disagree, African American support Pres Obama just as strong as 2008. They know our problems were created by racist republicans, and the recovery has been weakened by treasonous racist republicans who cannot have a strong recovery while a Democrat (African American at that!) in the Oval office. I don't believe you voted for Pres Obama in 2008, and you are not disappointed with him except in that he got more done in the face of your racist republican obstruction than you expected.
If your point is that "therefore the white left can safely abstain" I don't agree. Is that what you are trying to say?
No, I am saying that if blacks are truly that concerned they should look at themselves because they voted in historically high numbers in 2008 on a promise of "hope and change" and if those numbers drop back to the historical norm because of a lack of "hope" or "change," Romney will likely win. He is a much stronger candidate than McCain with a lot more cash to burn and many independent moderate Americans, who may have voted for Obama in 2008, are very disenfranchised with him 4 years later.
Like in most previous elections, Democrats vote for the Democrat, Republicans vote for the Republican, and independents vote for the winner. Obama has been a bit unique in that in 2008 he expanded the Democratic base by bringing out people who historically vote in smaller numbers - black Americans. Since Obama will undoubtedly lose some independent voters, it is critical for Obama that black Americans turn out in the same numbers they did in 2008. Especially since many of the swing states have high numbers of black citizens.
This is why there are such strenuous efforts afoot to suppress voting among Obama's base. Also I think it explains efforts on this forum to discourage voting against Romney. It is going to be a very tight race barring some major major surprise which always could happen.
If I were Obama's handlers, I would be more concerned about a regression to the mean among black voter turnout than ID laws. Both would obviously cost him votes but the promise of hope and change was an unbelievably powerful campaign tool in 2008 that led to a huge spike in black turnout. Ultimately, people's lives are not that much different in 2012 than in 2008 and if they are, it is probably not for the better.
If I was Obama, I would much more worried about simple statistics 101 than the politics of voter ID laws because in addition to suppressing black voters, which they undoubtedly do, they also suppress the votes of the elderly who overwhelmingly vote for the GOP.
I've been reporting racism in the GOP/libe(R)tarians for some time now, so please don't include me in this.
I will resent it.
I don't recall naming you. In fact I'm speaking about an attitude that reflects itself in many ways, the most serious to me being abstention in this election. I don't remember where you stand on that. Anyhow it's me saying what I am saying because i believe it to be true. I am not saying it to win any popularity contest, certainly not among the people who inhabit this forum. So, nothing personal. I don't know if this shoe fits you or not, but folks who fit this shoe can wear it for all I care.
(edit) my impression is that you are for voting against Romney so you would not in that case be involved.
It's not an impression.
It's the truth. I will not vote for another (R)epelican't nor libe(R)tarian for the rest of my life.
I am open to real independents.......:)
See http://occupywallst.org/forum/more-racism-in-the-gop/#comment-815360
If the shoe fits you wear it and i give a hoot if you resent it.
Any vote that's not for Obama and any abstention is a vote for Romney dude.
I'll make that decision when the time comes.
I feel far too little attention is being paid to what is happening in the States.
So be even more aware of who you are voting for there.
Well you have my opinion about it. I agree that we are not paying enough attention to things that matter. I hope that the convention protests and September 17 turn this situation around. I am discouraged when OWS lets itself get sucked up into State Department crap like pussy riot while we have virtually our own house burning down.
Ignore the crap and concentrate on your State.
Who will be sent to Congress and the Senate.is every bit, if not more important than who gets the Presidency.
And don't forget your State's Senate and it's courts.
Those who endorse bigotry and theocracy need to go.
I'm in NY where the corporate democrats like Schumer have a lock.
Don't take such a defeatist attitude.
Do you have to deal with teabagge(R)s too?
In his own way Michael Bloomberg makes the TP look good.
This is the point I've been trying to make.
No matter what Bloomberg claims to be, he is, in reality a neolibe(R)tarian.
He creates law, that profits himself and his fellow neolibe(R)tarians.
If those laws do as a side effect, happen to give the appearance of aiding a "community", it's good PR, and that's all it is.
I drive a taxi in NYC on the pm shift and I hear all the time how much "better" NY is now. This translates to "you don't see scruffy looking people any more." Where have all the poor ones gone????? (edit) I've always maintained that Bloomberg is worse than David Duke. He has advanced the ethnic and class cleansing started by 911 pimp Rudolph Giuliani.
The riff raff were affecting the neolibe(R)tarians in the tourist industry.
There's nothing wrong with trying to protect tourists, but they took the cheapest, easiest way out.
Yes, good question. What did happen to those people?
AIDS, incarceration, living illegally doubled up in public housing in the far reaches of the Bronx and Staten Island, gone back South or to Puerto Rico or the Dominican Republic with one way tickets provided by the Bloomberg Administration. Also, poor people don't reproduce the way they used to.
If that focus goes to Article V, and the people work to become the "rightful masters of the congress and the courts" (Lincoln), by knowing constitutional intent, then working in the states is the ultimate form of political action.
The states made the federal, they can change it. The focus on finding representatives of all types that can dialog constitutonal intent is the best strategy. Of course the people have to have that dialog going first, and with cognitive infiltration raging over the web, no one can get oriented in functionality to gain a real dialog.
Many of us here feel as I do, that before we can accept an article 5 rewrite.the money needs to come out and transparency needs to be increased.
In the current atmosphere, I feel it would deleterious, and any rewrite or amendment would end up serving those who pay for it, not the 99%.
Get the money out, simply HAS to come first, and this can best be served starting at the State level.
The other 49 should have been much stronger in their support of Montana. They should have been screaming.
Few read Article 5 correctly. "shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution," means that the people work to become the "rightful masters of the congress and the courts" (Lincoln) because they are the only ones that can dictate Constitutional intent.
Currently American are not the masters. There needs to be "preparatory amendment which changes conditions" assuring the people can determine Constitutional intent.
For Constitutional intent to be known the abridging of free speech must be ended. And yes campaign finance reform, then the vote must be secured, the diebold issue.
Therefore all delegates the people vote for must agree to propose and work for ratification of these preparatory amendments. 1) End the abridging of free speech 2) Campaign finance reform 3) Secure the vote and reform elections
The money doesn't stand a chance in that scenario, its influence is eliminated at the onset and the power to do so is derived from Article V itself.
So you are basically correct. Getting the money out happens first along with 2 other priorities needed to see that an Article V conention is done properly.
Those things do have to happen first, yet you and I know that the monied interests will fight against it tooth and nail.
Working against those defending the constitution by using it properly really looks bad. Therefore what we always see is pacifying moves somewhat paralleling the public push. The ART5 movement is gaining silent strength and they know it, so put obama up to look good and maybe prempt with pacification. Pretty obvious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/29/barack-obama-citizens-united-reddit_n_1841258.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Pitiful We the people, simply agreeing upon a few constitutional intents can absolutely obliterate their facade of deceit and manipulation IF a few will realize HOW much free speech can mean and HOW badly it is abridged.
IF
Very few realize what was lost in the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, nor how that repeal has affected the political dialog.
Yup, the fairness doctrine provided more leverage to get opposing views out.
However, networks are still required to "operate in the public interest". So depending on how critial the public gets, the "fairness" level can fluctuate.
Because the public is so indulgent and ignorant behind media, or what it means to us, they are the immediate problem which might be solved as times get worse and worse, they get more concerned and pay better attention.
The issue arose originally with corporate personhood, and the fairness doctrine was designed to offset corporate media excesses that were simply gross. Very similar to the false advertising laws that came along to stop the lying advertisers of corporations with the right to free speech. So all of the rightfully tries to compensate for corporate personhood.
I say, remove individual rights from corporations through Article V, and that will certainly be the only way to do such a thing. Then, very carefully, "privilages" are alotted back to corporations on a temporary basis that actually operate properly.
we have an assembly by population and senate by county in CA
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Wow! Such racism! Despicable! Thanks for this thread! Thank the divinity I will only vote democrat!
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which will fail as a movement ...
I hate to say it, but it's doing all "right" so far, or this stuff wouldn't be happening.
Let alone being expressed on a national platform.
It's just fuckin' sick!
meh, Racism is a real social problem
I don't see people calling for it's institutionalization
That's because it was never actually deinstitutionalized.
If it had been, this guy would never have made that statement.
You never would have seen those billboards and bumperstickers.
But you do.
Thx shooz
I thought the race issue needed a new thread as the old one now has close to 500 posts.
And unfortunately there is always some Dick Head in a position of Power showing their hate for their fellow man.
Please feel free to add the racism and bigotry you find to this thread.
Perhaps it will hit critical mass and people will finally give up on it.
Well now - and that is pretty much the thing we need to do as a people is move on past the dividers and unite together to confront all of the social ills and stop them - get the anti-people anti-society individuals out of the places of power.
We have to realize that it is not me mE ME - It Is we wE WE - all of us are in this together - here and around the world - People - ALL PEOPLE.
Well said, DKA.
thx - I am so tired of our enemies trying to keep us separated - worse - and being successful at it.
If you tug on one thing in nature, you will find that it's connected to everything else.
---John Muir---
thx shooz - John Muir - he was a good man - we have much of the beauty of this country surviving into today because of his efforts.
The World is a huge and complex wonder - and yet it is so small because everything in it is connected.
That's why when you practice racism on my brother, you practice it on me!!!
It should make us all ill to see anyone subjected to racism or any other type of abuse.