Forum Post: Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico, but claims he’s an American citizen, where was Mitt really born?
Posted 12 years ago on March 1, 2012, 8:03 a.m. EST by factsrfun
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Mitt claims he was born in Michigan, but I’ve never seen his birth certificate. We do know his father was Mexican born, and he believes in a religion where you can pluck a persons soul from one place and stick it in another without their permission.
I wonder what all we don’t know about Mitt?
I demand to see Romney's birth certificate!
LOL
Can someone who was bolted and soldered together have a birth certificate? I thought those certificates were only issued to humans.
Certificate of Manufacture?
Serial number, maybe.
But when it's malfunctioning there is no customer support.
Outsourced to India. Try calling the Koch HQ.
If ONLY Romney could be outsourced along with the other goose-stepping morons. Problem is, no one in the world would want them. And dumping them in a land fill would just create another Super Fund site; dumping toxins like that is environmentally irresponsible.
And just how would one go about attempting to recycle?
Maybe a nuclear waste storage facility?
They can't be recycled. (Although they themselves simply recycle debunked distortions false myths.) They contain too many preservatives aimed to keep them perpetually alive in 1953.
New use for space exploration? Put em in a container and chuck it at the Sun?
That's probably the best solution. That is if the Sun itself doesn't spit them back out.
(laughing) wouldn't want to risk destableizing the sun.
Perhaps put the container on a coarse to take it out of the system. Making sure to mark it in every conceivable language form as containing contents that are extremely toxic and hazardous to all known life.
You know in case it turns out that we are not alone in the universe.
I'm going to stop here, since, as much fun as this is, it can really go on forever. (As in, those aliens - would they be illegal aliens? - would be smart enough to sent the package back to us.)
Oh, damn. I really did just continue this, didn't I?
Itsalright, way to much material and a burning desire to share it. Stop by my post on disaster and emergency.
To me really he looks more Russian than American, I mean I don’t know, I’m just asking.
I agree, I think you should have to provide proof of natural birth to run for the presidency, it is a requirement after all.
Don't be stupid. A quick glance is enough for me!
http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/
You can convert his father.
Do you have to be like a true believer to make it work?
Maybe we should convert his sons instead.......I'm just kidding.
Mormons convert dead people because they firmly believe that if those people were alive today then they would have joined the one true religion. Never mind if the people they were converting had died before Joseph Smith was born.
So, they have to be dead........and there are no take backs! :D
or like his father in law who till his dying day said, don't do this to me....
Yeah.
actually doing the ordination work in preparation for them to receive the gospel in the spirit world isnt plucking their soul.
1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. This scripture mentions the preaching, but the ordinations must also be performed for those who have not yet received them.
1 cor 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized FOR the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized FOR the dead? (not many people believe or act upon this scripture, except those who have the authority given them by Christ who he himself, along with the father appeared to them and afterward sent angels to ordain men giving them power and authority to perform the ordinances. (Funny I dont hear about any christian pastors who had the father and the son appear to them, let alone Peter, James, and John, lay their hands upon their head and give them the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood of God. Nope, not a one.)
When the dead get to the other side and discover the hinderance the devil placed before them, then shall they have opportunity again to receive the fullness of the gospel of Christ, including the more sure parts.
So your idea of freedom of religion is freedom to force people into your religion, assuming you believe that afterlife stuff in the first place.
actually by that scripture in 1 peter 4:6 if the gospel is preached to them that are dead, then they have opportunity to receive or reject the fathers plan for us. Its kind of like, do you want to receive all the father has including an inheritance in the kinddom? If not then youll have to go into outer darkness, because He owns the universe and all the earths in it. Ha
its too bad though when people dont believe in our eternal family. Its almost better for them to have never been born than for them to waste the days of their probation.
WOW do you know this much about Greek mythology too?
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Once Octavious is the sole general in Rome, Marc Anthony is his only Rival, So Octavius rallies Rome against Marc because Marc had willed his inheritance to non-Romans, his Egypt born children. And that is how Octavius became sole Emperor of Rome.
Quote:
you know Antony lost it
while loving in Egypt
('Cause Rome was fascist baby!)
the cost for su-icide romance
He read Mark's will to the public forum
Antony's heirs were born foreign
Octavius used this as a means to an end
to preside over all Rome province
so control of Rome would now be honed
by one Emperor's hands
Octavius alone would own the shores
on the Mediterranean
Thanks Matt it does always come to that, power ends up in one person’s hands, if there is nothing to prevent it.
I hope that we can talk our way through this, figure out a way to get the best thing done, I think a lot of people see the problem, if we stick to that we should be ok.
That explains the outsourcing ... helping his fellow countrymen south of the border.
When he was running Bane? Hmmm that could be too true to be talking about in here.
Oh no ... here we go again
LOL!
This is from father down but it may be worst than we thought.
All I’m doing is asking questions, like do think Mitt might be a Russian mole? I mean it would be the perfect way to get one in, parents born outside the country, just some papers saying that they are American, we know how easy it is to fake those, you slip them in, have a kid then if you can’t get the first one to the White House, you got a backup ready to go.
Okay, I mean if it sticks ... great. I'm not voting for Romney anyway (so I don't give a shit where he was born, although I will say, this tactic seems sort of far fetched and comical).
Then you do get it ;).
Satire can be strong stuff if used in proper amounts.
But of course .... we love satire (and the republican party is, if nothing else, comical, and deserving of as much mockery as we can muster, even if it's gratuitous) :)
I'm starting to wander if you aren't deliberately derailing productive conversation with fluff, misdirection, and party baiting. Or is it simply beyond your capacity to stay on topic?
Yet so many others see how the curtain is being lifted, we're learning a bit about you too I think.
Yes, the mystery, who is richard. Uncovering the secret truth. Let me clear that up for you.
http://richardkentgates.com
http://blog.richardkentgates.com
http://ows.richardkentgates.com
http://citicommons.com
You want to play games? Be my guest. OWS has no party, get over it or move along.
So you post a site and you get to say what the message is? Why don't you go ahead and tell me why would we not defeat a Repulican if we can? Before you answert be sure and look at this.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/republicans-try-to-kill-public-financing-in-arizon/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
no party is innocent
If you support the movement, including the 99%, you must accept you neighbor and stop bashing them with the actions of politicians. Otherwise you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Some of this movements biggest supporters and brightest contributors are republicans. You do a disservice by making supporters or anyone for that matter, feel uncomfortable in taking part because they aren't of a certain party.
I never claimed innocence for anybody.
I welcome all Republicans willing to raise taxes on the wealthy problem is there are none. They cut them quick enough but refuse to see when they have gotten to low for the good of the country, sensible leaders know that you have to make adjustments in both directions not just one.
So we need to pay for Black Water? We should be paying for the research that would normally be paid for by the corporations that use the results? Because those things cost tax money and they are also programs supported by democrats. So your boss should pay more taxes instead of giving you a raise so that we may support private militias when we have our own military?
The perfect is the emeny of the good, make a case for why Republicans should be in office, tell me of the good they have done. Do you think that no one will be in office after Nov.?
How is it you think I should defend a politician? You are so wrapped up in labels you cannot separate from the hacks you see on TV from someone on this forum making minimum wage. THE TELEVISION IS NOT REALITY. If you can't separate the two, then your wasting my time and yours.
OK just so I know, do you think people should vote or not?
Yes
ok then I'm cool, I have an opinion that it can be done to help us, I don't see why sharing that opinion is "trolling" I certainly want to get the money out and address wealth inequality, is that enough or are there other tests I have to pass?
lol, I wasn't calling you a troll. I'm not testing anyone. I am simply trying to make it uncomfortable for anyone to bring the disfunctionality of party politics into this forum. Most of us are average everyday people that want our fair share of what we work for. The movement is made up of democrats and republicans alike, and we all have an equal right to participate. Partisan bickering empowers politicians, not society. Unity, wages, and war are the few things I bring up.
Ok so the "troll" comment is from the other thread we have been chatting in at the same time, I think you want to make it uncomfortable for anybody who wants to actully change the system.
you think observing the red team and blue team divide, is change?
Topic police!
Partisan and co-opt police. OWS has no party affiliation. I will not stand by while certain users alienate other supporters over party line bullshit. We are not here for the benefit of Obama or any politician or party.
Don't you dare stand by, I will be obeyed.
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Unduly noted.
A persons religious belief should not be a reason to elect or not elect him/her to public office. One could poke holes in any religion if they wanted to. We should be asking if the person can actually lead us and will the people want to follow. Kenedy went through this nonsense about his religion. Religious freedom (and tolerance) in this country is quite special when comparing to a lot of other countries. A president can be religious if he/she wants to be, but still must be president for all the people and not just the ones that voted for him/her.
Difference being Kennedy made a point of the fact that he would be guided by what was best for country, not his religion. Mitt says the opposite, he says it is a compromise of his beliefs to allow contraception for example. So if you run on the strength of your beliefs then we have a right to look at those beliefs.
What is your source for Mitt's stance on contraception? This does not sound accurate. Mormons encourage having as many children as possible, but they do not prohibit use of contraceptives.
update from today, I know it's hard to keep up with his positions:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166555/romneys-contraception-flip-flop-reminds-everyone-why-they-hate-him
LOL. How true!
OK I admit it, now I had been talking to some of the high score trolls, so I mistook your meaning earier, but yes when I posted I was taking a chance and figured I'd go go the long shoot for my "proof" since this was kind of toungue in cheek to start with. That's where the whole negitive proof came from, then later in the day he did this flip flop, so the proof came after the comment, if you read my posts you find me very truthful, all we have to do is tell the truth, and we win
For accuracy, I believe they advocate their members having as many children as possible, but would prefer that others would use total contraception. It hastens the takeover.
Hey Brighton good morning thanks for stopping by. Have you run into these trolls, Perspective and richardkentgates, they work together and use words straight from the right wing think tanks, you get to where you can hear a tone that always seems to be there it’s like a fingerprint. Anyway they got high numbers and a good story I’m sure they earn their money misleading people.
Thanks, and yes I have run into gates mostly. They try hard. I was just reading that the Koch's are taking back the Cato Institute, speaking of right wing think tanks.
I hadn't seen that, thanks, I did see where they were worth about 20 billion each, I had thought it was around 2 to 3, these guys are a bigger threat than I thought.
Yes, some report about $25b each. They and their friends have pledged $100m for the presidential race, with $60m, coming from the Brothers, Koch.
I'm sure glad that the Supreme Court made it possible for those two boys to be heard. Why that mean old Congress was trying to put a cap on their speech at about $35,000, Everybody know that nobody can hear you now for that chump change. I have to admit that I personally contributed less than that and sure enough, nobody heard me.
This is where the negative proves the point, he is locked in a polical battle with Santorum, who has said this, now Mitt has pointed out all the places where he disagrees with Mr. Santorum so it would follow that he agrees.
Wow, sounds more like factsrsuperfluous talking.
Did I miss the add where Mitt attacked Santorum for saying this?
Religious freedom also means the freedom to not vote for someone because they hold bizarre and/or theocratic religious views. We're not talking about passing a law that restricts qualification to run for office based on religious views (which would violate the First Amendment), we're talking about the freedom to vote for someone based on whatever factors we deem important. Therefore, if we decide we don't want to vote for a Mormon, because we think Mormonism is a bizarre religion, or we decide we don't like Santorum, because he's a theocratic douche bag (who probably wears a Knights Templar t-shirt when he's home alone), "religious freedom" is NOT implicated.
Unfortunately, the same could be said for color of skin, short, tall, pretty or ugly. We have the freedom to choose, but we should also choose wisely for the right reasons. There will never be a perfect candidate. I noticed that you chose to be critical of the right and not the left. Are you critical of only certain religions of certain people or all religions of all people?
I mean, I'm very secular, but I don't really have the luxury of being critical of all religious views (or else, I wouldn't be able to vote for anyone). However, yes, I think certain religions are crazier than others, and even with the benign sort of harmless religions, you still have your kooks. Moreover, religion is NOT like race. You choose to be religious, whereas race is genetic. As for the right/left thing, yes, I'm more critical of the right, but I'm also critical of the left in some aspects.
I would agree that there are kooks on all sides. And also about choice and genetics. But that does not stop the discrimination or pre-judgment of others. Human nature has this inherent problem.
Well, it's not pre-judgement really is it? I mean, it's based on a very specific, and admitted set of beliefs. If I say I believe that bugs bunny is my guardian angel, and floats on a cloud when he's not looking after me, and I'm a grown up, what will you think of me? You would rightfully think I'm crazy, yet equally absurd stories get a free pass, when they're stamped with the indicia of "religion" ...
In fact, stories that in any other context would be considered bat shit crazy, get a free pass by caveat of the fact that they appear in an ancient book. If a group of people walked up to you today and said their cult leader have a meaningful conversation with a burning bush, you would think they were fucking crazy. This is how we scrutinize everything, with the sole exception of religion. In other words, religion is one giant special pleading.
Ask yourself this question. Why are atheists hated so much? Really, atheists are the most discriminated against group in America. Try running for political office as an avowed atheist, see how far you get. But what does it say about our society when a precondition for political office is expressing a sincere belief in what reduces to the absurd? I mean, religious people walk around and openly say people like me are evil, damned, and various other insults. I guess they don't like it when it's aimed back at them?
And after that determination is made, a few jokes couldn't hurt, could they? Those who sincerely think a candidate is a misguided fool shouldn't have to treat him/her as if he/she is actually the second most qualified person in the country. I remember Pat Paulson who received actual votes, from people who may have been sincere, but most people knew was a joke. Believe what you like, but there is a 1st Amendment freedom to laugh.
More humor is always a good thing.
Will Rogers had more truth in a joke than most politicians have in an entire speech.
"I believe in a President who's views on religion are his own private affair. Neither imposed upon him by the nation, nor imposed by the nation on him." - Pres. John F. Kennedy
Religion should not be part of politics. The Religious Right is the most dangerous voting block in politics.
They base their votes on religion rather than facts. Because the Religious Right are indoctrinated to ignore factual evidence. It would destroy their faith. So they vote religiously for Republicans because it is a calling from God in hopes of overturning abortion rights, despite the Republican lies about the economy.
This is how Republicans continue getting elected and get away with their lies about the economy in order to serve the interests of the wealthy.
The Religious Right would like to blur the lines of separation of church and state. Religion does not further the political debate. It only distorts and perverts it.
Anyone that perversely uses God for their political advantage should be shunned for it. Instead, Rick Santorum is revered for it. By the Religious Right/Christian Evangelicals.
Christian Evangelicals make up 50% of Republican primary voters. Mitt Romney has to far outspend the other candidates in order to get the edge on the Jesus freaks.
April, I do agree that that section of the party is a problem even for me. But that is what they believe and thats okay. But that will never get a candidate from that segment elected. During a primary, the candidates are battling for votes within their party so you see a lot of this moving to the right. The democrats do the same for their far left segment also in the primaries. During the general election, the battle will be in the center so we will see where two candidates actually position themselves.
I hear ya. The left has narrow minded, single issue voters too. But it's a matter of a relatively small margin that determines the outcome. I could argue that the Evangelicals pushed George W. over the top and the minority vote pushed Pres. Obama over the top.
But the Religious Right is ultimately more dangerous because it blurs the lines of separation of church and state. They are becoming more powerful over time. Not less. Intermingling politcs and religion. Pulling the party further towards social issues and imposing their morality, that will erode personal freedoms of choice.
I don't see any comparative danger from the left. Whether it be a more powerful minority vote, labor vote, environmentalist vote. I don't see anything from those voting blocks that endangers our Constitution. They way the Religious Right endangers the separation of church and state.
Some would argue that the socialist segment is just as dangerous, but I think we agree the extremes of each are problems for the majority.
Good morning April, your comment is better than this post deserves (I am the author) this was just for fun, you really clearly state the problem, I hope you read some of my other stuff :).
I understand! Your post is right on target. It demonstrates what I believe is mostly racism and/or right wing zealotry from the birther conspiracy theorists against Pres. Obama. But Mitt Romney is not held to this same standard of scrutiny.
I'm actually surprised the Religious Right/Christian Evangelicals haven't thought of this already - asking for Romney's birth certificate. You beat them to it perhaps!
Your comment about Pres. Kennedy - reminded me of the quote I posted. : )
There are a number of factors that go into their process. Part of it is to generate enough noise so that no one notices what is happening or if they do, truthful things that matter are lost in the jumble of crap that doesn't. They play the media like a violin giving them the headlines and teasers that they crave, but never letting them sink their teeth into any real meat.
Faith is a mental illness. Self-delusion is not a trait to vote for.
Do you believe in only what you see or experience? I ask if you vote? If so, how would you choose if all candidates possess some faith in something. Is the entire world self delusional and mentally ill? I think not. People believe or have faith In all kinds of things, and many may not be agreeable to you but how can you be judge and jury? I could also call you self delusional but where does that get us? You can do better than that.
We all have to factor the probabilities of candidates making irrational decisions, mental illness, prejudices, religious beliefs, political and economic idealogy, ethnic and cultural heritage are all factors and we all decide how to weight them in our decisions which are influenced by the same factors.
In fact, the world has been demonstrated many times to have been self delusional. We try to convince our selves (as they have in the past) that we are beyond all of that and that we are mostly sane now. If it makes you feel better, go right ahead, but I suggest history may make a different judgement, yet again.
Faith is by definition self-delusion, 'belief in the absence of proof'. This could not be more clear. People cling to happy thoughts, rainbows or whatever to get them through the day, I get that. However this does not give them an excuse to implement public policy based on these delusions. Personally, I no longer suffer the fools talking about it publicly, as if it has some basis in reality outside there chosen faith-cult.
You could call me anything, however the truth is what matters.
Faith has been used since people realized that they could control groups of people using myth, I prefer spreading truth, not lies and myth.
Fucking Mormon trash
ahhhh how can I add to that....
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Are ye leftists getting nervous about the sheffif's findings that bozobama's BC is fake-like he is http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/obama-returns-to-nyc-for-first-wall-street-fundraiser-of-year.html
Better hold on to that bag-o-gold, we're creeping through the night........
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I agree,as soon as Obama is found out to be the Kenyan that we all know he is. We'll turn our attention to Mitt.
You mean your still waiting?
little barry's father was born in kenya.
really? I never heard anything about that...
Neither Mitt or Barry have any business being in the Whitehouse.
one things for sure somebody is going to be there...
tell that to barry, he's been there for over 3 years.
are you afraid of Mitt? I can see that GirlFridayThe13th is anti -Mormon. Oh but wait this just in.. i'm hearing that its ok for the left loons to hate Christians, Jews and Mormons. But but please love the Muslims. Muslims after all are victims of the imperialist west and just love peace, women, and gays. And they are very tolerant of other religions just like the old hag below.
Where do you get hate from asking questions? Are you saying all those people who ask about Obama's birth certificate really just hate him?
OMG!!!!!
look at girlfridaythe13th's url above its disgustingly anti Mormon. When Mitt is president you'd better keep your cool.
All I’m doing is asking questions, like do think Mitt might be a Russian mole? I mean it would be the perfect way to get one in, parents born outside the country, just some papers saying that they are American, we know how easy it is to fake those, you slip them in, have a kid then if you can’t get the first one to the White House, you got a backup ready to go.
no i don't.
I hear that Mitten might be a secret illegal Mexican immigrant.
I was thinking Russian mole, I mean it would be the perfect way to get one in, parents born outside the country, just some papers saying that they are American, we know how easy it is to fake those, you slip them in, have a kid then if you can’t get the first one to the White House, you got a backup ready to go.
Well...........
I guess it is possible.
I mean his dad & he do look . . . facially more Russian rather than South American.
His dad could possibly have been a sleeper. Cold war stories about that kind of thing going on.
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And is anybody that successful in business without some "inside" help?
Who really runs Bain, the KGB?
Hey?
Do you think it could be true?
You know . . . that Ron P. is Hitlers Argentinian luv child?
I mean picture that disgusting little mustache on his face and the possible family resemblance really pops-out.
you know I think I do see it....maybe even more so on the son...
Coincedence? Or just an irony of similar positions?
Hey? ever here about how a pet owner can look like their pet?
I wonder............
You know . . . Sanatorium kind of has that look too. HMmmmmmm.......
and Martin told not judge people by the color of their skin, but hey we're not talking color this is family resemblance maybe it is one big family...The Family,
this is worst than Russians...
What!?
Are you thinking the Bavarian Illuminati?
How sinister. They have been behind everything since the beginning of time!
Hell!!!!!!!!!! I think they "ARE" behind time! How slickly evil!
Sure...sure. I see it now.
Who else would have the power to give the Pillsbury Dough-Boy Life? ( Neuter ).
How insidious!
errr....I was thinking Dr. Who, remember, The Family?
but you are scareing me,... stop it!
(I did read that)
Sorry. I was not up on the family reference. Dr. Who? Funny stuff I saw some of the early series on PBS.
My kid and I have watched it for decades, started on PBS, it's on BBC America now and they had a multi-parter about "The Family" But I remember reading "The Illuminati" long ago, kind of like De Vince Code I guess but I only saw that movie.
Oh the Illuminati can be a fun and fascinating read. There are some pretty wild books out there on them.
It is true though that they are taught about in Bavarian schools.
You can even google them and receive a bunch of links to Illuminati scam organizations.
you guys are joking, right? no one in their right mind believed that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii and no one has even mentioned what you all are talking about.
I am an ex Mormon. Sure you wanna go around?
oh but now you hate them. but wait, i thought that the loony left was opened minded but you are being outright mean to a peaceful religion. You like those muslims though don't you?
But, wait.........isn't it time for you to go log out and log back in as someone else?
Shut up.
you are a hateful vulgar person. that web site was sick, get some help b
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That explains a lot! ANYONE able to be lead down that path, for even five seconds, is defective, PERIOD, end of discussion.
Hahahahahahaha. Yeah........Says the guy with multiple IDs.
it is funny how the left has so many hateful people. .