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Forum Post: Massive leak reveals Stratfor acting as shadow CIA for corporations & DHS spying on citizens exercising 1st amendment rights

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 29, 2012, 5 p.m. EST by therising (6643)
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OK folks. This is getting bad. The recent massive leak of dept of homeland security I formation reveals that the federal government helped coordinate national shutdown of Occupy camps --- pushing against its own people.

It also reveals illegal activity by corporate titans, Stratfor acting as show CIA & government spying on U.S. citizens exercising 1st Amendment rights. Corporations really are trying to swallow humanity whole it seems.

Please visit the links below (scroll down) for details on the massive leak of information. It's time to restore our republic. It's time for the people to unite and rise.

Here's one quote from the Rolling Stone article: "One of the most worrying aspects to the Stratfor story is the privatizing of yet another typically goverment-only function. Like Blackwater, here is another shadowy private agency doing the work usually done by the U.S. government, a recipe, as we've learned time and time again, for unaccountability and disaster." The other articles at links below reveal even more shocking behavior.

http://inthesetimes.com/uprising/entry/12811/leaked_documents_homeland_security_monitoring_occupy_wall_street/

http://www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/31196-massive-leak-reveals-criminality-paranoia-among-corporate-titans.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/exclusive-homeland-security-kept-tabs-on-occupy-wall-street-20120228?stop_mobi=yes

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[-] 3 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

Thanks for those articles. This just proves that Occupy needs to be just as smart, smarter actually, than those with the ways-and-means to infiltrate and/or destroy it. 

I wonder why the "silver bullet" has not yet emerged on these forums (maybe it has and I am just unaware)?  What is the most effective strategy/tactic(s) that would cause the 1% to go ballistic and openly reveal themselves for what they are? I sense that somehow you would have to "hit them in their pocketbooks", but how could Occupy do that? What I am proposing is that we try to get things all out in the open.  The media should cover that (at least those that aren't owned/controlled by the 0.1%), then the Silent Majority millions will wake up, and we're off to the races.

[-] 3 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Article V is what congress has been violating laws and their oath to stop for 100 years. Focus on that and you will see real fear in all the corrupt government officials. You will see them resigning and leaving the country IF they are culpable in crimes. They will go early, wouldn't you?

Shut off the TV'S radio etc., meet at City hall every Saturday and discuss going to the state to DEMAND an Article V immediately. Discuss "constitutional intent." You are the masters of it according to Lincoln.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln

[-] 0 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

You'll find most here have no such real grass roots interest in doing anything but being pacified by this corrupt and broken system with a few shiny trinkets so they too can know they are getting at least a token share of the loot.

A5C? Nah.... you'll hear all ranges of excuses and the best one is when you ask those here why their savior, Obama, who allegedly knows the constitution as well as anyone on the planet, doesn't call to the people to exercise their rights for one to rectify what he admits to be flawed, and damned well knows it is even if his Harvard education is a complete sham.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Hmmm, sadly, a accurate enough evaluation.

I did find a link here to a site about an A5C that really makes good sense. Great strategy basically.

http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?33-Amendment-By-Layers-Of-Priority-Amendment-Package-Making-CONST.-Intent

[-] 0 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

Listen to this very carefully, the beginning tells the whole tale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxYDnYgQ5MQ

[-] 0 points by rayolite (461) 2 years ago

Hah! Not the whole tale. What FOF points out below,

http://occupywallst.org/forum/massive-leak-reveals-stratfor-at-beheat-of-corpora/#comment-663655

is VERY much in control, but we cannot see it. Obama in that recording says we can't now and didn't in 1787. What is in the "blind spot"?

[-] 0 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

Even if that were the only thing to cause alarm in that snippet, why does he, and congress, insist on trampling all over BOTH of them (or are they actually trampling on just one of them?) instead of pointing these things out to the people and demonstrate real patriotism by rallying all together to fix the root problem?

[-] 1 points by rayolite (461) 2 years ago

FOF refers to hypnosis on children, but doesn't know it. The hypnosis IS the blind spot and causes severe dissociation or hyperamnesia, which is the basis for the ultimate forms of secrecy. The rest runs on simple Christian social fears.

The blind spot includes the uses of children to reinforce the fears by exploitation of sexual instincts that were invoked in the powerful themselves as children. It starts like this.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/wake-up-these-pedophiles-are-our-leaders-new-york-/

Now THAT is the root of the problem. Point that "blind spot" out.

[-] 0 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

Can you tie that to Obama's views on either Constitutions?

[-] 2 points by rayolite (461) 2 years ago

The framers had many secret society members amongst them. Some of those were involved with darker groups that used children, sex and and social fears to reinforce secrecy upon those that would be propelled, at times, to high office in government coupled with and in addition to the dissociative aspect that comes with being hypnotized to the level of somnambulism as a child themselves.
Deals are made with children exploiting instincts who are in deep trances, paid off through adolecense, then finalized in benefit to the secret society by extracting control over them for the rest of their lives.

That trend has increased a thousand fold since 1787, so it does far more than "carry on to this day". The 100 year evasion of Article V was to see state governments controlled by this method permanently preveting an Article V, in combination with media, and destroying the constitution and all civil right.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

Yes. At 0:12 seconds "civil war amendments" must be what you refer to. However, the 3 history records do not add up to the problems we have today.

However, starting at 1:05 Obama says, "The constitution reflected an enormous blind spot that carries on to this day."

So what is that?

[-] 0 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

Which one?

First five seconds.

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

No, at 1:05 Obama says, "The constitution reflected an enormous blind spot that carries on to this day."

What is the blind spot?

[-] 1 points by SmeggitySpooge (78) 2 years ago

The "blind spot" of WHICH ONE?

First five seconds.

The blind spots are many and several are quite obvious.

It's very convenient and easy for most citizens to reject the question of "which one".

[-] 0 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

He actually describes a blind spot then (1787) and now at 1:05 in the video.

"The constitution reflected an enormous blind spot that carries on to this day."

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Wow!!! I think you've hit the nail on the head. You are right on target. Exactly the right question. I am very curious what others think.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (18142) 2 years ago

Re. Max Keiser & Stacy Herbert on the matter of "Stratfor" :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

that's one reason I use my name

someone will notice if I disappear

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Good point

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It is very revealing that the troll and off topic chatter on this forum has increased in the last 24 hrs considering what's happening in the movement. Some Of these posters are clearly getting a paycheck.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

I was going post something about the fact that we seem to have gotten a trashcan full of "new" trolls! They're already all over GirlFriday like a cheap suit! I'll say one thing, it sure ain't hard to spot 'em, is it, therising?

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Nope. You're right. They're pretty easy to spot. Hard to find good help these days I suppose (even in the paid troll industry).

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I completely agree . It means we're getting somewhere. We must remain nonviolent. They're praying for violence.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

The seeming certainty that "The Movement Is Going To Get Violent" is deeply troubling to me, because it is very difficult to prevent people from being smuggled into protests to incite violence.

[-] 3 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

We just have to be vigilant in spotting agent provocateurs. If someone starts behaving violently or shouts out advocating violence during a march or protest, we should all just sit down immediately point at the person and say "This person is not part of our group. We are nonviolent.". Then the news story will be of this agent provocateur failing to incite violence. That's a made for TV/Internet moment that millions would tune in to see. It would go viral.

I believe we can take those lemons and turn them into lemonade. Agent provocateurs can be useful. The raw energy they provide can be used for good.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Move away from the instigators. Leave them standing by themselves. Push them to the front of the crowd and back away from them. Catch what you can on camera. Shout peace and hold up your hands as you move away from the trouble makers.


Even Better do what therising said:

We just have to be vigilant in spotting agent provocateurs. If someone starts behaving violently or shouts out advocating violence during a march or protest, we should all just sit down immediately point at the person and say "This person is not part of our group. We are nonviolent.". Then the news story will be of this agent provocateur failing to incite violence. That's a made for TV/Internet moment that millions would tune in to see. It would go viral.

I believe we can take those lemons and turn them into lemonade. Agent provocateurs can be useful. The raw energy they provide can be used for good.


Anyway get away from them expose them. Denounce them.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

I see it as a sign of fear and desperation. These kinds of apparatuses always appear right before major societal shifts. Be it revolution or just major change. It's actually reassuring to know we have their attention. The overstepping such as using terror related protocols, will eventually end up costing someone their job, no worries.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Is there anything we can do in an organized nonviolent way to bring their oversteps out into the light of day. King and Gandhi, for example, wouldn't stand for not being able to fully enjoy a park like Zuccotti. Wouldn't they help organize protests and get a massive amount of people there along with reporters to bring the absurdity of this authoritarianism out into the light?

It was never accidental that King and Gandhi created tension and provoked a response and never an accident that there happened to be reporters there.

(just using that as an example. Maybe it's not a good one but you get the idea)

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

give a man enough rope...

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Got it. O.K. Sounds good. Would still like to hasten the process though. :)

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Once we begin to see what we have in common, we will be able to make decisions from a position of unified strength rather than demands from a position of divided weakness.

We are the 99%. It is absurd that 1% of the population can dominate the other. 99%. This will not stand.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Wow, just wow!

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Wow is right!

[-] 1 points by forourfutures (393) 2 years ago

"the "silver bullet" is Article V. We will have to get over our misinformation and confusion to know it as the "silver bullet" however.

The best strategy comes from links found here, but now buried.

http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?33-Amendment-By-Layers-Of-Priority-Amendment-Package-Making-CONST.-Intent

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4476) 2 years ago

Hi therising, Thank you for post and links. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Thanks Nevada.

[-] 1 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 2 years ago

Today on Countdown, Rolling Stone Magazine contributor Matt Taibbi was talking about OWS tweets being monitored by DHS. Safe to say that this site, including this forum, is being monitored as well.

Perhaps DHS might come up with a line about how they're monitoring us our own protection.

I don't know how we might be able to bring the light of day to bear on this issue of the over-reach. All I can say is "good grief! Our rights get trampled again."

So sad, so disgusting.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It doesn't have to be this way. We need to awaken from our slumber. We make up 99% of the population and we've allowed the 1% to dominate us. This will not stand. It's time for humanity to rise!

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

It's downright absurd. All the real threats from around the world and our hijacked government is focused on spying on peaceful citizens exercising their first amendment rights. Ridiculous. And very revealing. Who is the Department of Homeland Security really work for? The corporations. And why are those corporations so threatened by peaceful protests?? Our hijacked government is protecting the 1%, not the U.S. We need to nonviolently remove the hijackers and restore this republic.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Why is it getting bad?

We already heard about the coordinated attacks. We knew that we had Dems in office that were involved. We knew that they had been advised by DHS.

We are online. How hard is it to monitor the site? Or any site? I started an entire thread that was supposed to be dedicated to jokes because it had to be boring as hell for them to monitor. The bad thing about technology is that it allows people to think they have privacy when they don't really have it. Texts, tweets, phone calls, forums etc. have been monitored from the get go. That's why we have had certain threads started as well. It shouldn't be but it does happen. Nobody should be surprised. There is a long documented history of crap like this.

What really pisses me off is this: "One of the most worrying aspects to the Stratfor story is the privatizing of yet another typically goverment-only function. Like Blackwater, here is another shadowy private agency doing the work usually done by the U.S. government, a recipe, as we've learned time and time again, for unaccountability and disaster."

If you can find away to justify infiltration of protesters then you can find a way to investigate and prosecute these folks.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

"One of the most worrying aspects to the Stratfor story is the privatizing of yet another typically goverment-only function. Like Blackwater, here is another shadowy private agency doing the work usually done by the U.S. government, a recipe, as we've learned time and time again, for unaccountability and disaster."

That really pisses me off too. At lease half a billion has been spent on police and other resistance to Occupy movement. Half a billion dollars. Imagine what that money could do if it was put into going after illegal activity by banks and other corporations instead of going after peaceful Americans exercising their first amendment rights.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

[Rant] Privatize the military, cops, the CIA, the schools, the prisons, the toll roads, any other functions of government. One would think that at some point they would realize.....that's your job, too.[/End Rant]

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I think the puppeteers are counting on the puppets never coming alive..... The 1%, in many cases don't really have jobs or if they do that is not necessarily the source of their wealth and power. 1% has half the wealth in the nation and 90% of that is inherited.

[-] -3 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

Have you ever read the Statfor Reports? They make them free weekly, ... most of their dribble is NOT secret.

It's typically AIPAC, "PRO ISRAEL" propaganda, ... that's probably what has most people in conniption, is that the pro-israel right-wing thugs of the USA are no longer safe from 'hackers', ... but this again is from poor security, ... I mean come on about 10 years ago the VISA people made merchants sign a pledge not to keep customers cards on file, ...

See what you people are missing and what Anonymous stole was the entire database of the customer accounts from Statfor, not so much their 'intelligence' cuz its all sourced from the news, ... just like the CIA, ... its all sourced from the news.

Most interesting was who suscribes to their dribble? How much do they pay, and what is their VISA account number, pin code, ... and where do they live, ... now that is why the system has gone out of its fucking mind,

But the intelligence value of the reports in themselves is fucking BORING,

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I wish that were true. But big picture this reveals that our own government (of the people? For the people?) is oriented towards protecting very narrow corporate interests, not citizens interests. Not individual taxpayers interests. Not the nation's interests. Sorry, that is anything but boring. It's alarming. And it's even more alarming that more people don't know about it. You forget that the obviousness of it doesn't matter if people don't know about it.

[-] 2 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

This is even more alarming if you ask me....

http://rt.com/usa/news/348-act-tresspass-buildings-437/

This sets the stage for the Prez to be completely isolated from the people. No one could get to him/her. Then you are only a few steps away from dictatorship. The Prez is, after all, Commander-in-Chief of all armed forces. Think an internal coup impossible? Think again. Incremental steps like this are what leads to it.

Everyone should closely follow developments related to the above link very carefully to see if it will be struck down. This is a much bigger deal than people realize.

FYI, I got the above link from here:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/goodbye-first-amendmen-trespass-bill-will-make-pro/

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Holy crap. I hadn't seen this. This is even worse. This and NDAA. We have to nonviolently stop this madness.

[-] 1 points by Underdog (2971) from Clermont, FL 2 years ago

Yes we do! But how??? They keep passing these fearful laws post 9/11 and there seems to be no let-up in sight. Are we already screwed? Have we failed in our 'eternal vigilance'? WTF is next...blatant fascism as opposed to covert fascism???

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

They can only pull this off if the 99% remain divided and bickering. This can change in an instant and we can unify. At one point CBS News poll put support of the occupy movement at 40 - 50% of the population of U.S. Remember when we took over the Brooklyn Bridge. Spring is coming my friend. It's going to be beautiful.

[-] -3 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

You essentially told us you have never read their fucking reports in your life.

Go read the reports and you'll see they're just bullshit.

Not one thing that comes out of Statfor is classified, its all shit in the public domain. It's fucking life in prison if you leak classified information.

Please folk, don't be complete fucking indian call center bot's.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

Whatever. Read what I wrote above this comment again.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

The thing about privatization of this kind of action is it allows the government deniability of abuses.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yeah. I know. Still.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

What therising and I said last night: ( what do you think? )

Move away from the instigators. Leave them standing by themselves. Push them to the front of the crowd and back away from them. Catch what you can on camera. Shout peace and hold up your hands as you move away from the trouble makers.

Even Better do what therising said:

We just have to be vigilant in spotting agent provocateurs. If someone starts behaving violently or shouts out advocating violence during a march or protest, we should all just sit down immediately point at the person and say "This person is not part of our group. We are nonviolent.". Then the news story will be of this agent provocateur failing to incite violence. That's a made for TV/Internet moment that millions would tune in to see. It would go viral.

I believe we can take those lemons and turn them into lemonade. Agent provocateurs can be useful. The raw energy they provide can be used for good.

Anyway get away from them expose them. Denounce them.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

That's a good plan.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Non-violent isolation and exposure of movement wreckers ( agent provocateurs ).

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

If you thought it was silly before. What do you think now? Infiltrators are real. Instigators are real. Agitators are real. The movement to shutdown OWS, Occupy and 99% is real. This is more reason than ever to push away people who propose Black Bloc Tactics or anything like it. these tactics would be playing into the hands of the forces of corruption trying to stop the legal and peaceful peoples movement against corruption.

[-] 2 points by therising (6643) 2 years ago

I think non-violent direct action tactics are essential.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (34973) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely. To Black Bloc can look sinister and threatening. Easy to use spin/propaganda on a group, even if they are being peaceful.

See also:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-black-bloc-is-a-tactic-for-protests-and-marches/