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Forum Post: Making Excuses for Miami Going Under

Posted 5 months ago on Oct. 23, 2013, 4:13 p.m. EST by shooz (26680)
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Global warming gets no mention...........yet.

"It seems nobody talks about climate change, but everybody wants to do something about it. Consider this head-in-the-wet-sand piece from the Miami Herald, “Rain or no rain, beachfront streets flood due to ‘spring tide’.”

You probably think it would be impossible for an entire news article on worsening street flooding in Miami to omit any mention whatsoever of global warming or even sea level rise. Think again.

“It gets super flooded from the tide every couple of months,” said [Moses] Schwartz who lived on the island for more than 20 years before moving to the Brickell area on the mainland. “It’s getting worse and worse as the years go by.”

Hmm. Why is it getting worse? The Miami Herald offers no explanation. This is all it has to say about the cause of the flooding:

The current levels of high tide are caused by an astronomical event known as “spring tide,” according to Chuck Caracozza, a meteorologist from the National Weather Service.

See, nothing to worry about. It’s just high tides. Except the article runs with this quote from Schwartz:

“It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Miami Beach in 10 to 20 years,” he said."

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/20/2806631/miami-herald-flooding-sea-level-rise/

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 5 months ago

I have kind of held off on responding to this post. The reality is that short term solutions may be the only kind. There are no solid long term solutions.

I know that Miami Herald has run articles in the past on climate change. I lived in the Keys. The Keys have been underwater at least 4 times. So, it isn't really a question of if but when. Most people understand this. It's a little hard to live in Florida and not understand the topography.

From the article in RS: Miami is the most connected city in America, a place where the entire economy is geared toward the next big banking deal, real-estate deal, drug deal. As Wayne Pathman, a land-use attorney in Miami, put it to me, "The biggest question for the future of Miami is how investors will react when they understand the risks of sea-level rise." The rivers of cash that are flowing into the city right now are pretty clear evidence that few investors are worried about that risk.

I think that they understand perfectly the risks. These people just don't want anyone else to understand the risks. It makes it much easier to steal and gouge that way. The political and economic climate indicates that there is an awareness of what will be occurring. Get the cash now and run like hell. If the homeless people living in the woods die......oh, well. More for me if there is no thee.

Check out these pictures. http://bahamabobsrumstyles.blogspot.com/2013_05_03_archive.html

This type of flooding has increased from the time that I lived there. Like a lot.

Here is an article from 2010. http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2010/0304/As-Florida-Keys-residents-confront-rising-sea-levels-what-lessons

and one from this year http://news.yahoo.com/florida-keys-prepare-sea-level-rise-083635582.html

[-] 3 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

Considering how much the Koch's and others have spent on global warming denial, is it really all that surprising that some people actually believed them?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (21783) 5 months ago

Not at all.

Florida is not one of those places where you are gifted denial. That is a very, very small portion. Charter boats, fishing boats-the big ones and the small ones are not in denial that there has been, is, and will be be big changes.That's why I say there isn't as much denial going on there as people might think.

The impact of the increase in temperature in the Atlantic promises more hurricanes. This has been known for quite awhile.

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[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

stupid bastards.

there is one state just north of Florida - one of the Carolina's maybe. Can't remember. Google would probably turn it up pretty fast -

anyway - the state has forbidden any consideration of anything over 5 inches of sea level increase when considering public policy as it impacts the shore.

fuking insane.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

Yes indeed, it's that State hchc failed to follow the money in....N. Carolina.

They didn't want a little old thing like global warming to affect the real estate market.

So.............(R)epelican'ts to the rescue.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/05/north-carolina-wishes-away-climate-change

SA had a little fun with it, but the water will still rise.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/2012/05/30/nc-makes-sea-level-rise-illegal/

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

that's the one.

That sounds like North Carolina making a choice to opt out of FEMA assistance in the future.

I cannot imagine a more self destructive set of behaviors than the institutionalization of FRAUD as a matter of public policy . . .

THAT is absolutely insane

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

N. Carolina got bought, Lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

I thought you knew?

Too bad hchc never followed the money. I guess he didn't want the actions of his benefactors to be known.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

It's still insane. Future investment in beach front doesn't make sense unless the plan is strictly short term.

They have to know they are not getting a bailout.

Maybe we need to get enough people together to insist any new development won't receive FEMA compensation once the inevitable takes place.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

"Maybe we need to get enough people together to insist any new development won't receive FEMA compensation once the inevitable takes place."

That's not a bad idea at all.

It's not like they are going to pay for the insurance.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

I don't have a problem with coverage of existing development. But expansion of any kind indicates an increase in investment which over the long term only becomes profitable in the event of a government bailout - because ultimately the property value itself is and must remain

ZERO

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So what's up with the removed comments. I see quite a line of them.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

" because ultimately the property value itself is and must remain......."

ZERO. Indeed, this time when it's underwater, it really is.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

That's the whole point. The only way they can continue with business as usual is with the backing of the federal government. Which, given the dominant political theory and practice in N. Carolina, amounts to sabotage.

Maintaining an attitude of business as usual, and legislating measures that make that attitude a matter of state law, can only make sense with FEMA support in the event of disaster.

In my view, it represents a form of treason - draining the federal budget reduces our capability for defense in some way. And this behavior is deliberate.

Assurances that federal government support will not be available to underwrite losses incurred due to predictable consequence that have been legislated against might mitigate the sum of investment.

And maybe save some right wing fool some cash.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

Well, they do sometimes proudly fly the flag of proven traitors.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/25/opinion/obeidallah-confederate-flag/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

What else would you expect?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

Well - since you put it that way . . . it all makes perfect sense.

I'm sure I have a rope around here somewhere . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

Cool. Tie them all together and drag them into a state of sensibility.

Kicking and screaming if necessary.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

I do not believe that a state of sensibility is a place they will be willing to go, for if they were, I am certain they would arrive there all on their own.

Eternity on the other hand, is another matter entirely.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

On the other hand, there's always Antarctica........:)

That should cool their jets a bit.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

good luck with that. I'm confident something much more substantial, something much more meaningful will be required.

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[-] 1 points by nazihunter (612) 5 months ago

Yes, yes. And let's redefine what constitutes water pollution in case we find some good areas for fracking. If you start having babies born with 3 heads, they can all vote for me....signed Senator Frick.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 months ago

stupid bastards. fuking insane.

Yes and Yes as it is a flat out denial of reality.

[-] -2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 5 months ago

Dont act like you care when this is the turd you are whoring out to during campaign season:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000091

The oil is gushing into the gulf, and there you are, on the other side of the country trying to convince people its all a lie.

What a scam.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

what an ignorant fuk.

did you even look at that list of funding?

Ted Cruz beats out everyone except candidates for President by almost two to one.

Obviously you cannot read

[-] -2 points by HCHC4 (-28) 5 months ago

Were you spamming for Cruz? No you werent. You went with the guy taking more money than them all, while this shit gushed out.

So deal with it.

You know me, spamming for ANY of them is a joke, but hey, at least you picked the winner.

The planet thanks you.

[-] 3 points by ZenDog (20546) from South Burlington, VT 5 months ago

like I said - you obviously cannot read.

what those numbers illustrate is that BP decided Romney wasn't right on the basis of economic factors, and either would not, or should not, win. Either way, they put their money on the incumbent.

But where is their heart?

With Ted Cruz, by almost 2 to 1.

you dipshit

[-] 0 points by olmanwinter (-4) 5 months ago

Incredibly stupid! Guess it will take a few washed out high rises to get peoples' attention?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 5 months ago

Yeppers........they'll need to buy boats to get to their apartments.

that ought to get their attention.

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