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Forum Post: libertarian delusion

Posted 1 year ago on April 27, 2013, 12:03 p.m. EST by agkaiser (1250) from Fredericksburg, TX
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The flaw with conservative economics in general and libertarian thinking in particular is the failure to understand that an economy is what we do to supply ourselves with the stuff of life.

The libs and cons apparently believe that an economy is a structure built for them to use to grow wealthy by abstract manipulation, without the need to personally labor at the production of any real thing. Perhaps more importantly, they fail to perceive that any economy is inherently collective in that without the participation of others their can be no such thing as commerce or trade.

To prove the latter assertion I suggest a thought experiment. Put all the rich investors and their hangers on, managers, overseers and wannabes on a desert island. Take away all input from the lower classes. That means they have nothing produced by their employees or anyone other than themselves. They'll have no tools or weapons or cars or houses or food or workers to do for them. They'll have no clothing, medicine, money or anything else we produce collectively. See how long they survive by their own hard work and nothing produced by ours, taking orders from them.

Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, may you rest in peace in your libertarian heaven, in which no moochers will disturb you in any way.

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[-] 7 points by agkaiser (1250) from Fredericksburg, TX 1 year ago

Galt on his island without interaction/dependence with and on the rest of the world will test Ayn Rand's fantastic vision. If they had the courage of their convictions they'd do it voluntarily and take their pollution out of the gene pool of decent human beings.

[-] 5 points by Buttercup (1067) 1 year ago

That would never work.

“That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.” ― Kim Stanley Robinson, Green Mars

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Milton Friedman is Dead in physical form. But perhaps someone of us can figure out who his disciples were and put them on the Island as well.

Margret Thatcher should have had a place on the Island too. Should the Island only have US Libertarians and NeoLiberals? Augusto Pinochet was a Student of Milton Friedman also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Boys (Click for list of Latin American people influenced by Milton Friedman)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Harberger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinochet (of Chile)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Alfredo_Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Hoz (José Alfredo Martínez de Hoz of Argentina)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher (of the UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bauer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Pelerin_Society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Fisher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Economic_Affairs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Affairs_Unit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_think_tanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Smedley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Harris,_Baron_Harris_of_High_Cross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Seldon

Americans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Economic_Research_Foundation (Forms Free Market Think Tanks in 84 Countries)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute_for_Policy_Research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey (Former OSS Agent, Former CIA Director, forms link between Presidency, CIA, SEC, Wall Street Investment Banks & Libertarians)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Research_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fraser_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

Iran-Contra:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Weinberger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Clarridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_V._Secord
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STTGI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_G._Clines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_D._Fiers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Shultz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stigler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Knight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_M._Buchanan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Koch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_C._Koch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Humane_Studies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._A._Harper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Economic_Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Volker_Fund
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Studies_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chodorov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_DeMint
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_A._Saunders_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Coors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Feulner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger born Heinz Alfred Kissinger born May 27, 1923 is a German-born American writer, political scientist, diplomat, and businessman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissinger_Associates
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski financing of the mujahideen in Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johns_Hopkins_SAIS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_Strategy_Group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Nicholas_Burns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Scowcroft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atlantic_Council_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forum_for_International_Policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Eagleburger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld He led the legalization of Aspartame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Institute_for_National_Security_Affairs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Bolton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Wohlstetter (Dr. Strangelove)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy

Board of Advisors

As of November 4, 2009, the Washington Institute's Board of Advisors included:[25]
Warren Christopher, former Secretary of State
Lawrence S. Eagleburger, former Secretary of State
Max Kampelman, former American diplomat
Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State
Samuel W. Lewis, former United States Ambassador to Israel
Edward Luttwak, Senior Associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
Michael Mandelbaum, Director of the American Foreign Policy program at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies
Robert McFarlane, former National Security Advisor
Martin Peretz, former editor-in-chief of The New Republic
Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
James Roche, former Secretary of the Air Force
George Shultz, former Secretary of State
R. James Woolsey, former Director of Central Intelligence
Mortimer Zuckerman, editor-in-chief of U.S. News & World Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_America_Safe (Elizabeth Cheney)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage_(politician) Several associates who fought alongside Armitage and other politicians (including Ted Shackley)[5] have since said publicly that Armitage was associated with the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) highly controversial and clandestine Phoenix Program.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_Americas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_McLarty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Environmental_Quality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Sutley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Trade_Area_of_the_Americas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_Free_Trade_Agreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peter_G._Peterson_Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson

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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Better yet, have the 50% of American workers whose low skilled labor earns $13 an hour less, remove their services from the economy for just one week, and see how fast the 1% raises wages.

May 1st would be the perfect time to call a general strike, but it must be long enough to be felt by the wealthy to have any lasting and significant effect.