Forum Post: Lets plan on how we're going to get REAL results. *POST YOUR IDEAS*
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 18, 2011, 11:25 p.m. EST by TaylorBenitez
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Well, I'll start. If anyone agrees/disagrees, please comment on how it should be improved or scrapped.
We need to take action. ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER than words. The politicians see we are upset and criticize us. Republicans(besides Paul) insult us and shuns our movement while the democrats pretend they care as a populist platform for Obama.
Some of the people in this movement amaze me! You protest a variety of different things, have no clear agenda, and don't want to recruit your own candidates and elect them to congress. Then you seem surprised that politicians, who live and die only for votes, don't take you seriously.
So since no one has decided to change the country because of a few protest marches and no one in the movement seems to want to use the system, you decide you want to turn the crazy dial up to 11, all the way up to armed rebellion?
I support Ron Lawl because he's consistent and I know he has a good intention for our rights. Rights are more important than safety or money. He is a champion of the constitution, but I do see your point make. I also should edit my post, because I should put armed rebellion as a last ditch effort. But for you, MAKE A SUGGESTION THEN!
A presidential candidate doesn't concern me. One man in the White House is easily held in check by congress. Occupy is national and what I've seen proposed is getting the general assemblies to recruit candidates for congress. Run these people in primaries whit an agenda of finance reform, and fighting corporate corruption. Make Occupy a political force listened to by congress, like so many other groups.
It is absolutely essential that the movement remain nonviolent in order to win over as much public support as possible, The onus of violence needs to remain with the police for the growth of the movement,
Re: armed occupiers- I don't know how others on here feel, but the fact that you would even come on here talking about buying arms really bothers me. I have been following and contributing to the movement since the very beginning and have never heard anyone seriously push this. This to me is one dangerous aspect of having a completely open and uncensored (or barely censored) forum. And there are so many interesting and intelligent discussions, but there is a ton of bull to wade through to get to them. I just want to say I find this really offensive.
The only thing (other than violence and NONE of us wants that) that power will listen to is MONEY. This is what we should ALL do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I59O5oZLlyg
january 3rd. MOVE YOUR MONEY! Spread the word.
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Ron Lawl has said he supports half of Occupy, he can barely be considered a supporter.
There are plenty here I don't support, yanno, the crazy ones who want communism, socialism, direct and 1:1 democracy, equal wages and silly nonsense like that whose unrealistic wants and ideals make them counter-productive to the entire cause amongst reasonable persons that are within or looking.
Let's have OWS debates with various "experts".
what things should we debate in?
How the elites push corrupt economic theory.
Well, everyone here agrees with that so it's no debate. But I do agree, there are many things that need to get solved or the movement may divide.
What I meant, which was not clear, was host a debate with opposing experts.
Oh yes, we should. However, it would be impossible on fox news for the host would dismiss our points or denounce our cause as a "bum's protest" to their tv audience.
Well, throw in some trap doors and slime, make it a reality/game show?
Article 5 Convention NOW!
The only real solution to keep government in the hands of the people and never letting the government get this out of control again is Article 5.
An Article 5 Convention with the "Greater Meaning of Free Speech" (GMFS) is the best way to ensure that the people are always in charge of their own lives, that the size of federal and state government stays proportionate to the population, and the GMFS will ensure that there can never again be the broad interpretation that purposely allowed for the loopholes of language that politicians have used against us for their own gain of power. An Article 5 Convention is our only hope of taking back our freedom and ensuring transparency of government.
http://articlevconvention.org/showthread.php?10-Templates-Letter-to-State-Representatives-request-for-house-resolution Article 5 is our first and last constitutional right. If we don't use it now, we will not have any rights. Freedom is not free. Unity is cheap compared to the demise of the nwo default with confused sheep, not free.
Educate yourselves about article V.
Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Lots of facts here about Article V. Lawsuit filed against all members of congress, video. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7ikbvu0Y8
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Idea #4: We need an official discussion on dealing with matters, secure from agents/trolls/or anti-OWS. We need a secure website on how to move this forward, with little discussion about things unimportant to matters.
If you are interested in armed insurrection, you need to form your own group.
Occupy Wall Street does not, and can not, endorse violence.
The reason I'm suggesting this in OWS, is because it has the potential for change, while Unions(Similar protesting) are effective sometimes, many times they are put down or dissolve. We have our rights being taken away and with the OWS being popular, it should not be the platform for JUST economic fairness, but change within our government and how it handles things such as military, economy, domestic, and foreign policies.
As for the armed insurrection, face it, our demands may not come. if they do, great! If not, we will have little choice but to rise the same way the protesters in the Arab Spring.
This is the best place to start- then here http://1vbd3.cjb.net
of course this use to be a free country- anything you want is fine.
Strategizing For A Living Revolution By George Lakey
world revolution began , in Sebia, then serbian arabs used the arabic version of gene sharps book from dictatorship to democracy to orcrestrate the arab spring, then it migrated to ows , usa thru cairo - then the world.-
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/lakeylivrev.html
mp3 33 minutes
http://www.multiupload.com/V0GECSMHFI
Excerpt: Cynical outsiders were skeptical when Otpur activists claimed not to have a leader, when the young people said they were all leaders and shared responsibility for their actions and their common discipline. What the skeptics overlooked was the power of strategy as a unifying force, taking its place beside the rebel energy and the lessons of recent history that the young people shared. Otpur activists didn't need an underground commander giving them their marching orders because they shared a strategy they believed in; they were happy to improvise creatively within that strategic framework.
Otpor was funded by repelicans
SourceWatch - Otpor
see also:
Wiki on Otpor
see also:
Yes they were funded from within the usa- and now they are helping the us people in their fight against an oppressive government- which supports the rich at the expense of the poor. http://tinyurl.com/6lkzgbk
fucking repelicans are the one percent you moron.
If I say - new market opportunities
does that ring any bells?
yes Pelicans fuck just like any other large bird.
Nonviolent Transformation of Conflict
Teaching Model:
english pdf 140 pages
http://www.upeace.org/library/documents/nvtc_Teaching_Model.pdf
Preface
Teaching Model: Nonviolent Transformation of Conflict is the first publication in a series that furthers the commitment of the University for Peace (UPEACE) in sharing knowledge for achieving peace world-wide. It represents the collective effort of scholars, academicians, and professionals of peace and conflict studies to make widely available cutting-edge, user-friendly curricula on peace-related subjects. UPEACE resident and affiliate faculty members spearhead the creation of such teaching models in collaboration with their colleagues world-wide during curriculum development workshops. These gatherings provide a forum for sharing knowledge and experience on various subjects and for designing comprehensive curricula adaptable across cultures. http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43
Idea #3: Everyone use the internet to their advantage. It's been said a million times, but with not as much luck as i hoped. Post statuses on facebook, twitter, myspace, or anything else.
Also Go to local shops (if you know the owners, even better) ask if you can post a flyer about the movement. Go on radio shows and advertise the movement. Create songs about it. TELL EVERYONE!
Idea #2: Created Universal rules/demands/and other documents that will organize our protest into a true movement more people can understand. We need something that can authenticate our movement.
Idea #1: Buy guns. exercise your second amendment. Don't go shooting, just be prepared.
buy guns from a private party, get a receipt. don't let them know who you are. do not join the American riflemen association. - that's the first place the government will go--to get a list of gun owners.
What about NRA?
yes them to --
Nonviolent Transformation of Conflict
Teaching Model:
english pdf 140 pages
http://www.upeace.org/library/documents/nvtc_Teaching_Model.pdf
Preface
Teaching Model: Nonviolent Transformation of Conflict is the first publication in a series that furthers the commitment of the University for Peace (UPEACE) in sharing knowledge for achieving peace world-wide. It represents the collective effort of scholars, academicians, and professionals of peace and conflict studies to make widely available cutting-edge, user-friendly curricula on peace-related subjects. UPEACE resident and affiliate faculty members spearhead the creation of such teaching models in collaboration with their colleagues world-wide during curriculum development workshops. These gatherings provide a forum for sharing knowledge and experience on various subjects and for designing comprehensive curricula adaptable across cultures http://simurl.com/mavtad
Thank you for the advice.