Forum Post: Let the movement grow without having demands.
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 4, 2011, 7:08 p.m. EST by endthefed
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As soon as the movement starts demanding things, people will take sides and separate the cause... Especially the media! The media is sitting around like vulchers waiting to call this a liberal extremist movement like they did the tea party. Let it grow! Right now there is a very diverse group with many ideas and that's what keeps this a movement of the people and not an agenda.
100% correct. Take down the Republicrats and their crony capitalism and then we can sort it out. Read this too.
http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/10/1964809/dont-let-occupy-wall-street-be-hijacked
great point!
And the democrats, both parties are corrupt
lol, I said Republicrats, i.e. Democrats/Republicans
I think this is maybe a good way to refer to the false left/right dichotomy in politics today?
oops my bad totally missed that
I just opened a food stand on 57th street. But I'm not going to give you any kind of a menu, and you have to guess the prices. Sorry.
an idea which could go for the 99% and while growing as we are: Let People become equal shareholders over the banks holding the people's deposits. http://occupywallst.org/forum/becoming-equal-shareholders-over-the-banks-holding/
Our Demand? Make the Promise Real Robert Biegler, Oct 4 2011 I am not Anonymous, I am the 99%
Today we stand together as the Sun just begins to set on this chapter of Civilization. We have achieved so much, and while many have paid the ultimate sacrifice to get where we are today, let us not feel remorse let us not dwell on guilt, for all of the suffering we have learned so much, and now we can understand and communicate, as we have never been able to do before. This evening we gather together, all over the World, to Celebrate our freedom, Our Togetherness, Our Love. Today we light a candle because surely as any Birthday Celebration, this day needs to be celebrated! We have done it. We have finally shed the chains of Oppression, Fear, and Greed. Together we will make real the Truth that All Men are Created Equal with the inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and no we will not just make this real for Americans for we hold these truths to be self evident for All Mankind. We are all people, we are all Equal, and we all have value. We will not be declared of lesser value just because we are not born here or there, or because our skin is not the proper color, or our religion is not your religion. We will no longer allow anyone to devalue us because we are female, or male, or both, or neither. We will not let you subtract from our value because we are too tall, or to short, or the wrong heritage. We will no longer be declared a lesser person because we have no wealth. We are all equal in every respect and with all the rights that that entails. We all have equal right to the air we breathe, to the water we drink, to the trees and the land and all the minerals contained therein. We do not forfeit any of our rights because of whom or what you may perceive to be a deficiency. It is not for anyone to decide, these are INALIENABLE rights, which cannot be separated from me as long as I exist. By my existence, alone I am granted these rights, and they cannot be revoked.
But just what are these INALIENABLE RIGHTS?
THE RIGHT TO LIFE: This right means that each, and every one of us, every man woman and child and all of those to come after us has the RIGHT TO EXIST. No person has the right to KILL you for any reason. This right is inalienable, it cannot be revoked. For a person to exist they must have some basic things such as clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, food, clothing, and shelter. All persons have the equal right to healthcare, just as they so do the air we breathe, or the water we drink. From Today on, we are all working together. We either live together or we die together but from now we are together There is no us or them. There is only You and I.
Right to Liberty: This is the right to choose. Every person has the right to think and feel and to do as they wish. However, no person can revoke these three basic rights, Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. You are your own and only master. You cannot be indentured in any way. We all have the right to travel as we wish to go where we want without question or restraint. We have as much right to all property as anyone else. We all have equal ownership of the World and everything in, on, or around it as far as humanity reaches no matter how far that may be. We all have the right to Privacy, and this can not be revoked by another’s right to liberty. Liberty is the freedom of Choice. A person cannot be forced to work, or pray, procreate, or hide themselves in any way.
Right to the Pursuit of Happiness: This is the Right to ACCESS. Each of us takes a unique path in Pursuit of Happiness. Happiness is a different thing for each of us, but we all have the right to pursue our own path. This right guarantees ACCESS to the means of Production and all that entails. This means we all have an EQUAL right to EDUCATION, RESEARCH, TRANSPORTATION COMMUNICATION, ENERGY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL FACILITIES.
This is our Framework for the Days ahead, Now we must work together to build a bridge form where we are today to that bright, bright future where we can all live in Peace. We can all hold our heads up High for we are truly equals. Our tasks are Great, but the rewards are even greater, for now all men will be allowed to create and to participate to their full potential. We have many hurdles to overcome and our time is short but we can achieve our goals. We can build a new world, we can build a free and just society, and we can live in Peace. Our resources are vast, as we put those resources to use for the benefit of all of us we will be amazed at just how much we can do. Tomorrow looks very bright indeed, I feel like a child the night before the Gift Giving, I can hardly wait for tomorrow and the Wonderful Gift we Give our Children By doing This Today
the french philosophers who hypothesized a humans right originally said life, liberty and property
I believe the Founders of Us replaced Property on purpose. because you can not actually own anything, you can not take anything with you when you pass, so you simply use things. Line Pursuit of Happiness is more in line with no Property, but the right to usage. The idea is to not create the desire to consume for consumption sake. There is no point in Trying to have the Biggest house....Use would you need, when you are done it is available for others.
John Locke, I believe was the one who coined the life, liberty and property rights.
Doesn't take anything away from Rjbig's words, though.
There should only be one demand - remove corporate lobbyists from Washington! (Get Wall Street out of Washington) - That should be the one and only focus. That way the issues of everyone protesting can be addressed because the government will once again be "of the people, by the people, and for the people." When government officials can no longer accept corporate money, their main focus will once again fall to those they were elected to represent. The corporations are trying to control the government through corporate lobbyists, and therefore are subverting the will of the people. Corporations consist of the wealthy elites who only represent their own self-interests. Kick the lobbyists and corporate money out of the government, and everything you are fighting for will fall into place. Also, this is something right, left, center can agree on because everyone is angry about home foreclosures, high unemployment and the 2008 bailouts (where rich CEO's not only kept their jobs after having a hand in the financial crises, but got large bonuses of taxpayer money). They are angry about the level of corruption in the government. There needs to be a strong, clear focus. The most successful protests have a strong, clear focus that resonate with the majority of the country. They also don't start out big, but they gain momentum. So don't give up hope and keep up the good fight for the 99%!
Removing the Lobbyist from Washington is too Small...This is not just about America...This movement is about Humanity in General...Wall street is screwing not only us but the entire world..And not to mention it was Wall Streets Fraud that got the Whole World in this mess...as they say...Go Big, or Go Home!
lobbyists and the fed are killing this country... but still, apparently many people disagree. i say we just educate people and let the movement grow on! we need thousands of more people to make any demands.
i don't think we should demand anything of wall street. fuck them.
we DEFINITELY need to make demands of the government. we are the government, that's what 99% means.
in my opinion, a decisive goal is needed. i strongly (and humbly) propose the GET MONEY OUT constitutional amendment.
in my understanding, this is the only thing that will make permanent change, and shut down (not "regulate", not "limit") Wall Street's influence over government, corporate welfare, corporate personhood, etc.
transparent elections
where everyone can see who everyone voted for