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Forum Post: just_curious

Posted 5 years ago on Dec. 4, 2012, 7:47 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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I don't want to start a debate
I am just curious about what OWSers think about Hillary running for president. good? bad? why? Who will the Rs run?



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[-] 2 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

Billiary is just another puppet.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 5 years ago

I'm not sure if Hillary's going to run or if she's necessarily a viable candidate. On the one hand, she's 65 and seems to be actively trying to pull back from public life; she's retiring as Secretary of State as soon as Obama can get her replacement confirmed and she's already said no to 2016 when asked. I think she'd make a pretty good president, but ideally I'd like to see a new face in the White House come 2016. I'd suggest Elizabeth Warren, but now that she's on the Senate banking committee withdrawing her might prove counterproductive. Andrew Cuomo or Jill Stein might also be options for us as well.

As far as the Republicans are concerned I'm betting the ticket will be some combination of Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, and/or Nikki Haley. The first choice would make a reasonable amount of sense from a pragmatic point of view, given that Christie espouses a lot of the beliefs of the Tea Party but has some credibility with moderates thanks to Sandy; the question is whether the powers that be within the Party aren't so furious with him over Sandy that he gets blackballed. Any of the other three candidates I listed would allow the party to put female and/or minority faces out there, mess with their immigration policies a bit, and possibly squeak by based on that without actually substantially changing anything.

My personal hope would be for a Ryan/Santorum or other white, male, and batshit ticket based on the philosophy that Romney lost because he wasn't conservative enough; that would basically fall flat on its face and practically guarantee a Democratic president in 2016 (unless we totally fuck things up, which is not always out of the question).

[-] 1 points by Buttercup (1067) 5 years ago

'My personal hope would be for a Ryan/Santorum or other white, male, and batshit ticket'. Such a dilemma for a Dem. To wish for the Repubs to continue to embrace their douchebag base, the gun nuts, the Jesus Freaks, the Tea Party knuckle draggers, Ayn Randian philosphies and supply side trickle down failures. Or find some sanity. For Repubs to find sanity, they would have to take that first step of recognizing they have a problem. Does the crazy person think they're crazy? How deep does their epistemic closure go?

It will depend on what happens during the mid terms. The Republican 2010 sweep in Congress was an anomoly. It certainly didn't translate to the general election like they thought. But others say Tea Party Part Deux - On Steroids, will win back seats in the next midterm. However that turns out will probably determine their direction for 2016.

Either way, the Repub primary will probably be a similar blood bath. Which should be a joy to watch. Even if there is no Tea Party Part Deux - On Steroids, they're still gonna be out there. As well as the other douchebag douchery. And then there's the Ron Paul people, who are pissed they were totally dissed by the Party this time. The old Repub white guys in the electorate are dying. The Latino vote is probably lost for a decade or two. I'd say those people have made up their minds about party and they won't change so easily.

Major cracks in the armor will be on full and glorious display. The 'moderates' v the douchebags, the Ron Paulites v the neocons and the Tea Baggers who are just plain crazy. How can that not be fun? And demographics working against them. Tee hee hee.

Actually, I think Jeb Bush would be a better choice than Santorum. Perhaps, Bush/Ryan? I find Jeb just slightly less horrifying than Ryan. Putting him on the top of the ticket could be viewed as moderating.

Christie/Bush would probably be the most moderate, in the far right crazy town they live, that I can imagine. Horrifying still. But less horrifying than Bush/Ryan.

[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

During the election that she was pitted against obama, it looked a lot like this. First her and obama seemed to be the only ones taking it seriously, with other canidates showing up on talk shows and taking in humor. Then all of a sudden she became less confident and more emotional, causing obama to stand out as a sure thing. The whole election seemed like it was designed to be epic, yet another puppet show, leading to obama like a script. So i don't really know what the truth would be. I don't think anyone can know. Just is my own impression watching the stuff on tv though.

[-] 2 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

Amazingly she backed him after both attended Bilderberg...

[-] 0 points by freakyfriday (179) 5 years ago

And she mysteriously backed off on challenging his eligibility to be POTUS. If the media had supported her, instead of ridiculing "birthers" I am sure the Supremes would have ruled that he is NOT a "natural born citizen". If you look at the founding father;s intent with this wording, you would agree.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 5 years ago

Just say NO to the Clinton/Bush clans. We can do better.

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 5 years ago

I won't vote for her even though she may have the best resume' on the planet. She represents the establishment too much. 2016 is a chance to get some new people in there and also empower those that have been marginalized. Another problem is her age. She's not too old in my book but how will the dems explain why they are getting behind someone who will be about 69 YO when she takes office? I believe she will run and win unless someone steps forward and shows some guts among the dems. No matter what we may think of Obama's policies he did show something by stepping forward and challenging the Clinton machine. I'm hoping Tammy Baldwin will run, if not her then Warren.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We need to get to work on changing election/campaign law now if we are going to give3rd party a chance.




  • open primaries w auto runoff,

  • election day national holiday,

  • mandatory voting for all.

This and more, Otherwise, we will get one of the 2 main parties and I always prefer the better Dem.

[-] 0 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Hillary looks very tired, but she has a following... and Bill. He KILLED at the Convention! And if she was elected, he would mug the cameras like nobody's bees wax! He looks trim and ready for action. He wants back in that WH very very badly! They would get stuff done, and the Cons would avoid all confrontations. She would finally get her Hillary Care, hopefully it would be McGovern's beloved "Medicare for All"!!

Cuommo wants it bad, too. But someone cursed them.

Personally, I prefer a younger ass kicker like Alan Grayson! Spoiler alert: Ben Affleck is going to run in the future. 2020!

The Cons are in love with Jeb and Christie, but their ham-fisted political gurus tell them that a minority must be the chosen one (Rubio). I think Palin has soured their taste for women. But Rubio is a shrimpy weasel and Jeb is a Bush (has his legacy been purged? In 4 years, YES!). Christie KILLED on SNL!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 5 years ago

Another war mongering globalist. Wonderful.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Hillary WILL run, Should run, & will win.

The R's will nominate Jeb Bush, who will lose badly!

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

Clinton is no different. She's even more dangerous because she has so many years of globalism under her belt. A vote for Clinton, is a vote for Drones. Jeb Bush is just a (R) cop out. They seem to have an MO of setting up the least likely relevant candidates, as well as those that just have a past wit corruption.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I believe Pres Obama is ending the drone strikes, I think Hillary will use Military responsibly, And Jeb would continue the repub created fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 5 years ago

And I believe my uncle when he talks of dancing with fairies under the new moon.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

You mock me. LOL But the number of drone strikes have been dropping for 2 years. We must continue protesting & pressuring against the US use of drone strikes.

All of the people who speak out against these misuses of our military are heroes and must be lifted up as such.. It is because of them that I believe we will end the drone strikes.

I also believe we are succeeding at ending the fear mongering propaganda used to scare our population into supporting these military actions.

I have a positive outlook. I continue the fight against these mistakes. i acknowledge one party is vastly worse than the other.

You offer childish meaningless negative mocking.

[-] -1 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

Obama launched a drone attack on Yemen the day after his reelection. He is no where near an ally to the people. Jeb will also continue this, as well as Hillary. These tyrants are not our allies.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We must continue protesting, pressuring for an end to all drone strikes. We have succeeded at pressuring Pres Obama to reduce the number of drone strikes.

We are succeeding. We must keep up the hard work.

We MUST also denounce, ridicule, and vote out all pols who spew the fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda that is used to scare the public into supporting drone strikes & rights violations.

We can't let up.

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

I agree.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

We cannot let up. Constant agitation, massive demonstrations against drone strikes, rights violations, and the fear mongering 'war on terror' propaganda at the root of all of it.

UFPJ.org is an excellent group (and one of the few) that still fights this fight.

[-] 1 points by ivyquinn (167) 5 years ago

I really do wish more were out there pressing this issue. However, we can't confuse our progress with the dirty intent of tyranny.

[-] 0 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Bastards must be stopped.

And the lazy, complacent, ignorant, sheeple who are brainwashed by the anti muslim, 'war on terror' fear mongering propaganda must be woken up!

All is lost if we cannot convince more people to denounce the fear mongering propagandists.