Forum Post: Jon Stewart revives FDR to take down ‘wizard’ Romney
Posted 11 years ago on Oct. 10, 2012, 8:39 a.m. EST by WSmith
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Jon Stewart revives FDR to take down ‘wizard’ Romney
By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 0:01 EDT
Taking a look at Mitt Romney’s economic plan, The Daily Show host Jon Stewart wondered Tuesday night whether the Republican presidential candidate was a businessman — or a wizard.
Stewart noted that Romney planned to reduce the “immoral” federal deficit while cutting tax rates by 20 percent, increasing defense spending, maintaining Medicare and Social Security, and repealing Obamacare.
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), the “numbers-guy” Romney picked as his running mate, also didn’t give Stewart any faith in the validity of their economic plan, since Ryan was completely unwilling to provide “the numbers” to Fox News.
Stewart remarked that another American president had fought to solve a major financial crisis, only to face a challenger who promised to continue the recovery without costing the country a dime.
“I remember it like it was yesterday,” Stewart said, playing a clip of FDR.
“Let me warn you, and let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion that says ‘Of course we believe these things. We believe in social security. We believe in work for the unemployed. We believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die. We believe in all these things. But we do not like the way that the present administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them, we will do more of them, we will do them better and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything,’” FDR says in the clip.
“Yeah, I bet that guy lost,” Stewart quipped.
Watch video, via Mediaite, below:
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1pDZX)
Lets hope Obama & Biden have this FDR playing on a loop - every day
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) thinks Vice President Joe Biden will be able to dominate the debate on Thursday because of Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) controversial budget plan.
“These are devastating cuts [to Medicare and Medicaid,]” he told Current TV host Eliot Spitzer. “What kind of moral outlook throws children, poor children, off of health insurance in order to give tax breaks to billionaires? If Joe can’t decimate this guy, I would be very surprised.”
Ryan’s budget plan would cut programs for the poor like Medicaid and food stamps, as well as reducing transportation, education and science funding. It would also reduce the corporate tax rate to 25 percent.
Sanders said Obama needed to tell the American people that he would take on big money interests like Wall Street. “President makes that speech, he is going to coast to victory,” according to the Vermont senator.
“The bottom line here is that more tax breaks for the wealthy, when we have such wealth and income inequality in America today, is not only obscene, in my view, not only immoral, it is really bad economics,” he said.
More importantly, what should the populace have playing?
5 to 1, Doors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DfG1SNydnc
OR
Unite and Win, Sham 69: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIOCwhhQxGQ
sadly, you will not find a more musically illiterate than I . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE&feature=player_embedded
Let's all do what we can, BECAUSE, together, united, we can never be defeated!
One of his best shows ever? This thing about remember the past ( history ) or it will repeat itself - hmmm - anyone notice - the similarities - between now and the period between 1914 and say 1935? One might say uncanny or sureal.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/10/jon-stewart-wonders-whether-romney-is-a-businessman-or-a-wizard/ Yes - watch laugh - and then really do some serious considering. What does it take to WTFU?
One the the best FDR bits. Well used by Stewart. Illustrative of how long Social Security has been under attack.
Not just that - BUT - WE CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS AND COST NO ONE A PENNY - IN FACT WE WILL DO IT ALL AND GIVE EVERY ONE A TAX BREAK. WooHoo - We Are MAGIC.
Without a doubt that is the main point of it.
It is laughable. And sad that so many people soak up the fantasy!
If the point spread change that is being reported after the 1st debate is to be believed - then we are truly in trouble.
It is a concern. And there is work to do. But the polls are not exactly the most accurate.
We should get people excited, continue informing them, & look sharp for all the efforts at cheating that repubs have attempted. Especially the most recent tea party "true the vote" effort.
Much is at stake.
America held hostage year four!
By the GOP Taliban!
Add Ike's warning about the financial threat of the military industrial complex.
now the prison industrial complex !!!
privatizing public schools !!!
fracking !!!
Not just ike and fdr but also jefferson and franklins warnings have been ignored. That is why we are in the position we are in.
as long as we let grover's minions run the House - we are lost
Insidious, and overwhelming. They're everywhere.
It's 28 DAYS LATER! We have to be focused. K.I.S.S. Get them out to VOTE!
POST ~ http://www.rockthevote.com/rtv_voter_registration.html?source=rtv.com-homegraphic ~ on local Craigslist/Politics, papers and everything you can think of!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTT1yRNsFE&feature=player_embedded
That's great, too. A whole bunch of WTFU would do a world of good.
We can't forget that disillusioned, duped, apathetic and sleeping masses got us 8 fucking REGRESSIVE and DISASTROUS years of Bush-Cheney which we are still suffering from.
People: Don't go back! WTFU!!
That is one of my favorite FDR clips. Unfortunately the American people have forgotten how life was before and during the Great Depression, including President Obama.
FDR - MCI - GOP + The New Deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?playnext=1&index=0&feature=&v=TRw-OQYDe2M&list=PLB2D49C0052A45996 [right click]
FDR had the playbook Obama needed from his first day in the Oval Office. Too late we realize that Clintons' unncessary actions were against some of what Roosevelt had acheived. Welfare as we know it and Glass Steagall regulation on separation of banks, brokerages and insurance companies. This is what we get when Democrats cross the aisle in the name of bipartisanship: bad or worse government.
How come we are still in this mess? Obama lost focus, probably under the influence of the Clinton presence. Drawing too much from unlikely sources such as Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan while ignoring Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
FDR, god bless his great American soul, was a rich, establishment, white guy. He was not supposed to be liberal.
BHO, god bless his courageous soul, is not a richy, not establishment, half black guy. He was not supposed to be president.
They sandbagged Carter, almost sandbagged Clinton, they are sandbagging BHO, even if it ruins the whole fucking country!
Let's make it their Death-Knell!
VOTE!
what a load of nothing saying
You don't agree w/ FDR?
enter sandbag ?
"Ah bowa kawa posse, posse"
unlike your sterling pearls
Vote Democratic.
Careful, stating the obvious, even here, will get you grief.
Vote early and often!
congratulations on your lobotomy.
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since you dont you follow the advice of your quote, we all know what you are.
Anyone who votes Republicon either had one or needs one.
sad to say, just like willard has a character defect of LYING,
Obama has a character defect of trying to co-operate with rabid dogs
I think he saw the shrub devisiveness, and geared everything to co-operation
a VERY short sighted move
I think we do have to somehow moderate the way our politicians interact.
Pres Obama made the mistake of trying too hard, too long, & too often.
Of course the abusive bullying tactics used must be addressed in our schoolyards, news shows, sports, individually, & even here on this forum. In our entire culture we must learn to discuss, & disagree with respect.
In politics we must value, & embrace compromise again. We must stop demonizing it and stop electing extremists who refuse to compromise and insist on characterizing different opinions as unamerican.
Sorry if I'm ranting.
obama cooperates with no one. he is the walking definition of the dunning -kruger effect.
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do you know what the dunning -kruger effect is?
The Democrats may have been "conditioned" into subordination by 8 years of Republican domination. On top of that Obama still acts like Clinton's apprentice without understanding what is wrong with Clinton. I'd say Clinton was overly optimistic, unfamiliar with Murphy's Law, lack of foresight, unimaginative, ruled and constrained by suppressed conservative urges.
Robert Reich on Bill Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrVsYsQIcg&list=PLf5qT0tQoem3WrqZewd0YsQV4DVMo6cPR&feature=plpp_play_all [right click]
Ghost of the New Deal Haunts Democrats' Agenda, but It's Time to Summon FDR
Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:00 By Richard D Wolff, Truthout | News Analysis
http://truth-out.org/news/item/12016-bush-may-have-been-absent-from-the-rnc-but-the-dnc-banished-a-past-president-too
Obama and most Democrats are so dependent on contributions and support from business and the rich that they dare not discuss, let alone implement, the kinds of policies Roosevelt employed the last time US capitalism crashed.
While Bush's absence was obvious at the 2012 Republican convention, so was another president's absence at the Democratic convention. Romney banished Bush because his last year, 2008, linked Republicans in office with economic crisis and big bank bailouts: not a vote-getting association. The Democrats banished President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, but for a different reason, and in a different way. They feared reminding people of what FDR did the last time US capitalism crashed. Obama and most Democrats are so dependent on contributions and support from business and the rich that they dare not discuss, let alone implement, Roosevelt-type policies. Obama's convention speech passingly referred to FDR's "bold, persistent experimentation." Obama said nothing about what FDR actually did in the last great collapse of capitalism, nothing about his policies' achievements or their shortcomings.
What FDR accomplished needs rescue from banishment by Obama and Democratic leaders. In the deep 1930s Depression, FDR massively assisted average Americans. He created the Social Security and unemployment compensation systems that directly helped tens of millions. His federal jobs programs provided jobs and incomes for additional tens of millions from 1934 to 1941. These "stimulus plans" helped average citizens with financial supports, jobs and paychecks. Those citizens then spent on goods and services that realized profits trickling up for businesses. FDR's trickle-up economics worked: far from perfectly, but better for most Americans than Bush's or Obama's policies.
Leading Democrats today lack the courage even to propose what FDR did. Obama keeps offering incentives for the private sector to hire more, but that policy failed over the last five years to return employment to pre-crisis levels. Obama refuses to expand Social Security as an anti-crisis policy. Instead, Obama and the Democrats pursue chiefly trickle-down policies: bail out banks and select mega-corporations, boost credit and stock markets with infusions of cheap money, and hope something trickles down to lift average peoples' incomes. Despite five years of failed trickle-down economics, Democrats today still fear to consider FDR's alternatives, acting as if they never happened.
Powerfully organized worker demands caused FDR's conversion to trickle-up economics. Stunningly successful Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO) unionization campaigns in the 1930s coordinated with rising memberships, activities, and influences of socialist and communist parties. These forces demanded and obtained direct help for the mass of people, while some among them also advocated basic social change as the best crisis solution. Today, Obama and most Democrats try to repress emerging parallel forces such as Occupy Wall Street. They simultaneously excuse their weak, so-called "moderate" policies by blaming the supposed lack of public support for more progressive policies.
FDR leveraged and channeled organized worker pressures into a grand social compromise, his New Deal. It pleased majorities of the American public and of capitalists and the richest 5 percent. That won him repeated re-election. The New Deal got corporations and the wealthy to finance Washington's provision of help to average Americans in exchange for the CIO, socialists and communists muting demands within their ranks for system change. By warning capitalists and the rich that his New Deal was their only alternative to revolution along Soviet lines, FDR split their ranks and won support from many. He likewise got most in the CIO, socialist and communist parties to marginalize their anti-capitalism in return for a real social safety net. FDR never persuaded all capitalists and all the rich; serious, determined opposition arose. Likewise, dissenting socialists and communists persisted in fighting for basic economic and political changes. However, FDR's New Deal social compromise prevailed. Corporations and the rich thus paid high taxes and made large loans to finance Social Security, unemployment compensation and federal jobs programs. From the 1940s to the 1960s, corporate income tax rates and tax rates on high-income individuals were much higher than today. FDR took the money his policies needed from corporations and the rich. That's where the money was then, and that's where it is now. But unlike FDR, today's Democrats have no plan or program to get it. So, discussing what FDR actually did got banished from their convention.
Choosing trickle-up economics to cope with capitalism's crash was key to FDR being re-elected four consecutive times. No other president in US history had such success. After FDR's death, Republicans moved to limit presidents to a maximum of two consecutive terms. Like FDR, Obama rode a capitalist crash into power, but Obama risks being ridden out because of failed economic policies. Yet Democrats dare not offend their financial backers to follow FDR's way or even acknowledge its relevance.
The New Deal also had flaws that enabled it to be destroyed. Those capitalists and rich individuals who never welcomed the New Deal were determined to undo it once the war ended in 1945. Because FDR's compromise had preserved the capitalist system, shareholders and the boards of directors they selected kept their positions inside the structure of corporations. There, they retained the incentives and accumulated the power and resources to undermine the New Deal and its major supports. Sometimes these enemies of the New Deal shaped government policies: for example, to eradicate communist and socialist parties (McCarthyism, etcetera) or to weaken unions (Taft-Hartley, etcetera). Sometimes, corporate owners and leaders directly funded foundations, think tanks and organizations molding public opinion. As dissenting socialists and communists had warned about FDR's grand compromise: by leaving enterprises in the hands of major shareholders and their boards of directors, the New Deal had signed its own death warrant.
By the 1980s, corporations and the rich had sufficiently weakened labor and the left to more openly dismantle what remained of the New Deal. Market deregulation, tax cuts, neoliberalism, neo-conservatism and privatization were the new era's processes and watchwords - with Reagan as mascot. Because they developed no effective counterstrategy to affirmatively defend what the business community and the rich assaulted, Democrats lost parts of their electoral base and, thus, strengthened the Republicans. Keeping FDR's achievements away from their 2012 convention marked another step in the Democrats' decline.
Copyright, Truthout.
The New Deal predated the working class upsurge. In 1937 the government went back to debt cutting, the economy went south again ("The Roosevelt recession" ) and only then did the working class in the US start to wake itself up. Prior to that Roosevelt was under a lot of populist pressure in the Form of Huey Long's Share the Wealth movement and the Father Coughlin radio programs. Long got shot and Coughlin booter off the radio.
When we voters are a no show, Big$ steps in. Political survival to fight the good fight another day, sometimes calls for unsavory compromises. Our negligence creates these unsavory compromises, and opens the door for DINOs and other dirty politicians. Money corrupts ~ displace it with involvement, participation, VOTES!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/jon-stewart-revives-fdr-to-take-down-wizard-romney/:
Stewart remarked that another American president had fought to solve a major financial crisis, only to face a challenger who promised to continue the recovery without costing the country a dime.
“I remember it like it was yesterday,” Stewart said, playing a clip of FDR.
“Let me warn you, and let me warn the nation, against the smooth evasion that says ‘Of course we believe these things. We believe in social security. We believe in work for the unemployed. We believe in saving homes. Cross our hearts and hope to die. We believe in all these things. But we do not like the way that the present administration is doing them. Just turn them over to us. We will do all of them, we will do more of them, we will do them better and, most important of all, the doing of them will not cost anybody anything,’” FDR says in the clip.
“Yeah, I bet that guy lost,” Stewart quipped.
Watch video, via Mediaite, below:
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1pDZX)
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/10/jon-stewart-wonders-whether-romney-is-a-businessman-or-a-wizard/
"When we voters are a no show, Big$ steps in."
Have you ever had a conversation with Builder http://occupywallst.org/users/Builder/ concerning your claim?
Probably
Why is it a "claim"?
Well it's certainly not true. In a country where there's mandatory voting and therefore virtually 100% voter turnout, Big$ still rules. Just ask Builder who knows it personally.
Well, let's try it and see. Can't be worse than what we have!!!
Again, I would have to defer to Builder about that.