Forum Post: It's not about the rich, or the liberal, or the conservative, but the corrupt, which is a part of all 3
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 7:24 p.m. EST by highmoralitywins
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I really would like the SERIOUS, INTELLIGENT PATRIOTS to come to some conclusion of what "we, the people" want from the attention OWS has gotten. Communism is not going to happen.. I hope, because I enjoy the thought of my first company (less than a year old) making me and future employees lots of money, because I've always been poor, and could not afford college, or a new car, or really anything nice, and I want to own my own house one day. Someone get organized.
Where have you two guys been? It's not about a person, or group of people. It's about the SYSTEM. They're on Wall Street because Wall Street is where the money is, and the corruption. Once again, it's the SYSTEM not the PEOPLE. Besides, it's not just on Wall Street. You must have slept through Saturday.
NO you fool. Wall Street is the TOOL the WEALTHY use to move their money through. You can collapse Wall Street and the MONEY will still be out there moving around because they aren't stupid enough to leave it in liquid asset form in BUILDINGS.
The wealthiest 1% of Americans are NOT in or on Wall Street. READ something for a damn change!
The TOOL is broken. OWS is not out to "collapse Wall Street." The game is rigged. The main idea is to get the influence of money out of politics. Do your fucking research.
YOU are a tool if you think that OWS doesn't want to collapse wall street AND/OR that your protest will get the influence of money out of politics. You underestimate the power and the evil you are dealing with if you think some signs and "outrage" alone are going to change the game.
I understand full well the power and evil we're dealing with. I've been paying attention for many years. I don't get my info from the mainstream media outlets. I'm a firm believer in conspiracy theories (some of them, the ones dealing with false flag operations, government assassinations, etc. not alien lizard people running the world). That's why I'm at this site. It's the first thing I've seen in a while that looks like it's about real change. I just hope I'm not wrong. Go to the "99%declaration page" to see what OWS is going to try to do next spring. To me, personally, it sounds good.
I don't have to find out what OWS is going to try to do next spring. If you were as informed as you THINK you are, you would have known since March of this year (2011) that OWS was being planned and coordinated by community organizing groups, union groups, and other radical groups. From the Business Insider:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-03-22/news/30073732_1_stock-market-seiu-secret-plan
That you believe in conspiracy theories is a good thing, because there are very real, very evil ones playing out. That you have joined one is a very bad thing indeed.
Couldn't hear the tape, my speakers don't work, but I read the transcript. Although he doesn't mention OWS directly I do see how they could be behind this. My problem is, I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. Something needs to happen. Something's going to happen. I'm sure you know this. Something very big and very ugly, there's no way to stop it. I'm just hoping when everything's said and done, maybe, just maybe they'll be some sort of improvement over the present situation. It sure can't go on the way it has been. Don't you agree?
OH I totally agree. OWS wasn't mentioned because there was no formal name for it in March. That came later.
But something big and ugly is ALWAYS coming, it always has been. Civilization after civilization has come and been destroyed and then rebuilt and then someone else wants that rebuilt goodness and starts infecting and infiltrating it. Those who refuse to study history are destined to repeat it.
This American Republic is the newest, best, most equal society that has ever existed on this planet. That's why they called it the "American Experiment". Government of the people, for the people, and by the people. And we started out GOOD. We tried to start out better-but there were those who refused to agree to it without slavery and other bad things. We compromised, and worked towards a point where the good could win that battle from the bad. And we did. And then we prospered. For a while. While those who had lost so much control planned, and plotted and infiltrated until they could rise up again.
And here we are. We fell asleep. We trusted. We left it in the hands of the people we elected, and then stopped checking on those people, watching them, making sure they did what we sent them to do. And when we finally woke up from our long nap....we find this.
The idea that "goodness" or "happiness" or "peace" means the same thing to everyone is foolish. When we think that, we believe everyone wants what we want...and we're stunned when we find out they don't. And as long as all people want different things, we will never have peace.
Agreed. I think there would be widespread support for a constitutional amendment that clarifies the role of corporations in our country; that establishes them not as people but as something completely separate that gives them the rights they need to succeed as businesses but no right to trample on the people's government.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/
What the OWS movement is either ignorant of, or choosing to deny is that the "400 Wealthiest Americans" on the Forbes list ARE the 1%. By person and by method of accumulating their wealth.
Read it yourself. How many of those "evil" people are BANKERS????? Very few and they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list. So ask yourselves, why did OWS choose to attack Wall Street in the first place? Why did they need to put the focus on a convenient scapegoat?
Why would someone like #7-George Soros be SO happy to support the OWS movement? Because as long as you are focused on Wall Street, you can't be focused on HIM.
Get smart people!
Why do people insist on taking the %99 and %1 thing so literally. It's symbolic. It's a slogan. It's just a very condensed way of saying that we are many, and the problem makers are few.
There are a bunch of people out there with their calculators trying to figure out if they are "the 1%" or not. (protip: you probably aren't) If you take this kind of stuff so literally you should probably call Budweiser and complain because no hot girls came out of your television when you cracked open a beer.
Because Budweiser never said "If you drink our beer, hot girls will come out of your television". You, however ARE saying "we are the 99%" and "the 1% ripped us off".
If nothing you say should be taken literally, then don't complain when people's support for you is symbolic only.
yes, they don't know exactly what they are doing or where to go but the point that change is needed is true, the big business gives big money to politicians on both sides, who then push change in the business' benefit, and american businesses should do business in america, creating jobs, and individuals should be more concerned with buying american, creating revenue to support current american jobs and causing incentive for american production of stuff usually imported...money stays in the country...it would help i think