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Forum Post: Is anarchy the answer?

Posted 9 months ago on Nov. 30, 2013, 1:02 p.m. EST by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL
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I wish I could support Occupy Wall Street, because joining a grassroots movement with this kind of momentum would be an easy answer to getting the word out that we have the power, we need to step up and claim it. Instead of being loud and angry about what "THEY" are doing to us we could just take responsibility for our part in it and change that. That is where I choose to start and I am finding it is a long hard lonely road.

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

Well, your profile does make it all the more clear. Your concern trolling is for your own party of libertopianism. How cool is that? You walk in, again and bitch-like you do-in order to sell your own politics. How sweet.

And, the beauty of it is that your sense of community does NOT provide necessary medical care or mental health care or education or social security or anything for the people. So, when you talk, like you do, about community-what you are really doing is telling people to do without. How convenient, repetitive and 1%-ish.

[+] -5 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I came here looking for some unity of purpose and thought to this movement. I thought we could align but doesn't seem to have one. I had medical care provided by people who actually cared about our welfare, not by an emergency room that was careful to get you back out on the streets without a diagnoses so that they didn't have to treat you; Mental Health is enhanced by one on one contact with human beings, far better then seeing professionals who are looking at you under a microscope to see whats wrong with you! I think mine is better.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

You are here now for the same reason that you were here before. You want to sell your brand of libertopian bullshit. Contact with human beings does not solve schizophrenia. You're full of shit.

[-] -2 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

You do seem to belong here. You definitely share the anger I see here, complete with the inability to except any responsibility for the state of things. Don't assume that seeing a professional is the best answer for everyone. You don't know me, and seem to know too little about mental health to argue with. I studied the brain for years to fight myself out of my own mental illness and I had good insurance ... that just meant a life time of medication and most schizophrenics don't want that. For me it was a lifetime wrong diagnosis and of being forced onto the wrong medication. Love cured more then any quasi-professional ever did.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

You're a sociopath. A libertopian sociopath.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

Do you even own a dictionary?

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[-] 1 points by doitagain (234) from Brooklyn, NY 9 months ago

the answer is agony in despair and inequality, but this time seems not presented on the picture just yet. We are just rising up on occasion, but in same time we being oblivious to grass roots movement and trying to live life. When those powerful few gonna take the rest of our jobs and homes we gonna rise up like never before, like those zombies in walking dead apocalyptic movie lol

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

You could start by demanding a repeal of "right to work" laws in Florida.

That would be a VERY responsible thing to do.

And then there's that feller down there that just HATES it when people don't vote for him and him alone.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/11/26/2995801/florida-election-supervisors-stunned-voter-restrictions/

Working towards negating what he's done and is still doing, would be another VERY responsable thing to do.

I hope this helps you.......................:)

[+] -5 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I don't like "right to work" either, but starting responsible business's that build our economy by paying well would rob companies that refuse to from employee's that will work for their low wages. Make the law a moot point. That would be the responsible thing to do. I had a horrible experience registering to vote in this state but I did what it took to do so. It is possible. Do the work and show them what they are doing isn't going to work.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

So you won't do any of that, eh?

You need to badly, and for the sake of truth, dump the liberal from your username.

You are nothing of the sort.

Much closer to a libe(R)topian.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

And the "conservative" part?

Let me guess.

Very small, fiscally conservative government.

[-] -3 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

When the government takes on a program the money spent to help is filtered through layers of hands before a single dime actually gets spent ON THE PROBLEM. Lately their answer is to funnel it off to Corporations that claim they can do a better job then the government of implementation. To me that is not the answer. Higher taxes don't solve problems. People solve problems. Hand in hand we can do it better ourselves. The internet has given us the power to level the playing field. We are not using it, but we can.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

Libertopian bullshit. That's all you have.

[+] -5 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I know your probably all of 17 years old and don't know what it used to be like when things were fair in this country but I am 55 and I do. The difference is we stopped sitting on our front porches, so we stopped seeing each other face to face and talking. We stopped looking to our closest neighbors to help us and began to look to our government to do it instead. This is the result.

It isn't Utopian thinking. I lived it and it worked it. We had good lives. When it came time to cut the hay, no one farmer owned a Tractor, Cutter, and Baler, nor had the man power it took to rake and load it but together we did. We went from farm to farm doing it and it got done. Best yet it was like a celebration, the woman kept cold drinks coming and a potluck was shared at the end of every work day. I know this generation has never felt that sense of community and I morn for that. Those that are in power have that sense of community. They know every person out there that can further what ever cause they believe it. It's only us who have lost it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

Full stop. You are probably not 55 because if you were then you would realize that what you are stating is complete BS. Romanticizing the past is idiocy.

But, hey, that makes your birth @ about 1958 or so, What, pray tell, were those discussions on the front porch revolving around?
Sterilization of unwed mothers to end aid

Here's a good community response

How about when you were about two years old? Strikes

There was a lot of crime. Perhaps you are confused with the television programming designed to build the model citizen. Yes? Maybe what you meant was that you watched Father Knows Best. Or maybe you were too young to remember race riots?

Since you failed to resolve those issues on the porch: medical care, racism, welfare issues maybe the real lesson is that your libertopian plan doesn't work. Especially coming from someone that allegedly lives in Florida. We can see how that is working out down there.

[-] -2 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

The 60's were the birthplace of the true occupy movement only they had a unity of purpose because people spoke to each other and came to an agreement about what they were fighting for, and the best way to do it. For years the general agreement was that people had good jobs, retirement programs, we did have a radical change in the way our country did business, its only when the "ME" generation was born that we lost all that.

How funny that you use the word troll when it's is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or by posting inflammatory comments, with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

This appears to be what you do when I am trying to work toward organizing people to actually accomplish things.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

Dude, they=a small group of middleclass white guys. You can find the spirit of the 60s on the 10 CD collection.

Go here: http://www.workers.org/2012/us/unemployed_workers_movement_0119/

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/money_11.html

Put your money where your mouth is: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/20/voices_from_the_gulf_one_year

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[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

Geez, get your ass one ID cockroach. You're such a paid to troll libertopian whore.

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[-] -2 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I am a single individual that isn't collecting one dime for what I do and your mother needs to wash out your mouth and teach you some manners. I was trying to organize a party for change but quickly saw that it might have been wrong to post as the voice of the party. I really can't speak for anyone but myself.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 9 months ago

You are a libertopian shill. Nothing more and nothing less. You are a repeat. Repeatedly banned.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 9 months ago

then use your name

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[+] -4 points by darmand (-15) from Williamsport, PA 9 months ago

Well said. That is a great example of a community activity that is dearly missed. A great example of working anarchy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

Hmmmmm. That's not really an answer.

But if what you say is true, you should be posting on this guy every single day of the year.

http://www.realrickscott.com/

http://billmoyers.com/tag/rick-scott/

http://rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

You're not.

Why is that?

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

Heasus people ... I wasn't even living in the state when he took office and I have been telling everyone who would listen about what a fraud he is...when I talk about politicians lining their own pockets ... He is at the top of that list... how did it become my fault that hes in office.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

I didn't say that.

What I said was,

"you should be posting on this guy every single day of the year.".

Around here, it's something of a tradition to ignore "events" in the States.

Floridians are particularly notorious on that count, so as you're newb, I'll be nice. I would expect you to fill us in on the northern part of the State though, I've read some horror stories from that neck of the woods and It would be nice to hear something more accurate from someone who's there.

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[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

Thank you. I am new at this at this, and the links are what I need.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

So, what is the answer to my original question?

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[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

Sorry shooz, I seem to have lost your original question in all this. If you will restate it, would be happy to answer it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

You were quite adept at describing your liberal bits and failed completely when it came to your conservative bits.

Very unclear.

[-] -1 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

Having Christian views, respect for the traditional way things are done, and believing that the Federal Government isn't the best option we have for taking care of all our problems...these are usually considered a conservative stance.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

The KKK makes rather loud claims about having having Christian views. So does Ted Cruze, Bachmann, Beck, Limbaugh and a host of other nefarious characters.

I'm not saying your are for any of those, but you have to admit, they also rail against government programs. Very loudly.

Truth is, the best program, for the most people out there is run by the government. At 55, you damn well should be aware of it and what it is, so I won't belabor it here....

State governments have proven FAR too easily bought off, and FAR too easily ignored, but the truth is......

As go the States, so go the Nation.

That's why you will often see me railing about "events" in places like Florida, Texas, and now just getting underway in my State of Michigan.

People around DO get mad at me for it, but I won't shirk the truth.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I love God and this earth we live on, and the people I share it with. Sometimes my actions don't live up to that. I also believe that we have the right to choose our own path.

I have worked with people who were trying to help me from the top down and could never get past the fact that they thought they could cure every problem by throwing money at it.

I have experience from before there were Government programs for most of what we have now. I know the help that I got from my neighbors and friends, people right down here with me, made me feel loved and cared for and respected.

One good laying hen will provide you with protein and feed herself. Sprouting seeds will give you much higher nutrition then eating plants, and they only take days to sprout. A tiny handful of seeds and nuts will make you feel full and sated these things I know from having to get by on very little.

I have been poor. There is no shame in that. I have been hungry. No shame in that either. Begging for handouts ate away at my self worth. I have gotten food-stamps and welfare the whole process made me feel embarrassed, and degraded.

Working is the only way I know to build our self-respect and put ourselves in situation that don't perpetuate our problems.

I will grant that maybe you know other ways, but don't ever think that the self respect part is less important, even to that homeless guy.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 9 months ago

Another disconnect?

Where are you planning to run for office?

Jacksonville?

[+] -4 points by darmand (-15) from Williamsport, PA 9 months ago

Anarchy is like an orchid. It's very beautiful in nature (theory), but once cut is quickly dies (practice). The important principal of Occupy is not really anarchy, it's more about building strong communities where everyone has a voice and can become part of the building process. It's about people in villages being able to decide what will happen to their village instead of big companies from somewhere else coming in and taking over to make money. Same principal for cities, and the nation. It's about having a more transparent government that is much more responsive to the people. It's about social programs because people should help each other out when living in societies. I think the anarchy bit is overblown. What's really important is the economic system, i.e. moving towards socialism. Representative democracy can work if the government is made to be more responsive with correct laws. I don't think this will really change soon. However, I do see anarchy creeping in very naturally in many areas. For example, in software (Linux), open-sourced GMOs, open-source hardware, DIY movements, etc... That's already taking place.

[-] -3 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

The problem is there is no unity in the message of Occupy. That message of building strong communities is exactly the one we need to focus on but what is heard loud and clear is the angry voices wanting to destroy what we have. They don't seem to get that working together we can make what we have work for us. It works for them now because they are the only ones with the motivation (usually to line their own pockets) to do the work it takes. Do we even know who our direct representatives are or when our city counsel and county commissioners meet? Who goes to those meetings? If you do do you encourage everyone you meet to do the same? Are you knocking on doors and getting to know your neighbors? For things to really change that's where we need to start.

[+] -4 points by darmand (-15) from Williamsport, PA 9 months ago

There is a gap between Occupy theory and Occupy practice. That is normal. It exists in any group. One way to change that and help create better communities is for you to become involved in the Occupy movement. There is not one person controlling this movement. You can start an Occupy group in your neighbourhood and go from there. You don't even need to be associate with Occupy by name. You can start a project and take action. Occupy is somewhat like Linux. If you don't like how the head of the project is managing it (Linus Torvalds in this case), then you can fork the project and make your own version.

[-] -3 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I am the conservative liberal party at this point, and that is exactly what I have done. This is me knocking on doors trying to get to know people. Hi darmand from Williamsport, PA. I am Shannon from Jacksonville, Florida and I am very happy to meet you.

[+] -4 points by darmand (-15) from Williamsport, PA 9 months ago

Hi. I'm not a conservative by a long shot, but it's nice to have people with a different political affiliation than usual on this forum. I like to hear various viewpoints, this is how we can learn from each other. We all have many things in common regardless of the political positions we assume for ourselves. Working on these similarities is what Occupy is all about. Nice to meet you and looking forward to fruitful discussions.

[-] 0 points by TheConservativeLiberalParty (-49) from Jacksonville, FL 9 months ago

I am a "liberal" in that I truly believe we are responsible for each other. It's a combination of liberalism which promotes individual freedom and human rights, yet includes respect for tradition and morality.