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Forum Post: "If you like your health care, you can keep it."

Posted 7 months ago on Dec. 22, 2013, 10:03 a.m. EST by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ
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SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we're going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they're happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they're happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you'll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won't have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President's promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman's mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That's a strong commitment. It's clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That's the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you'll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won't. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “…it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.”(Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

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[-] 6 points by factsrfun (8696) from Phoenix, AZ 7 months ago

"While we were here in this council chamber debating Resolution 1441 last fall, we know, we know from sources that a missile brigade outside Baghdad was disbursing rocket launchers and warheads containing biological warfare agents to various locations, distributing them to various locations in western Iraq. Most of the launchers and warheads have been hidden in large groves of palm trees and were to be moved every one to four weeks to escape detection.

We also have satellite photos that indicate that banned materials have recently been moved from a number of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction facilities.

Let me say a word about satellite images before I show a couple. The photos that I am about to show you are sometimes hard for the average person to interpret, hard for me. The painstaking work of photo analysis takes experts with years and years of experience, poring for hours and hours over light tables. But as I show you these images, I will try to capture and explain what they mean, what they indicate to our imagery specialists.

Let's look at one. This one is about a weapons munition facility, a facility that holds ammunition at a place called Taji (ph). This is one of about 65 such facilities in Iraq. We know that this one has housed chemical munitions. In fact, this is where the Iraqis recently came up with the additional four chemical weapon shells.

Here, you see 15 munitions bunkers in yellow and red outlines. The four that are in red squares represent active chemical munitions bunkers.

How do I know that? How can I say that? Let me give you a closer look. Look at the image on the left. On the left is a close-up of one of the four chemical bunkers. The two arrows indicate the presence of sure signs that the bunkers are storing chemical munitions. The arrow at the top that says security points to a facility that is the signature item for this kind of bunker. Inside that facility are special guards and special equipment to monitor any leakage that might come out of the bunker.

The truck you also see is a signature item. It's a decontamination vehicle in case something goes wrong.

This is characteristic of those four bunkers. The special security facility and the decontamination vehicle will be in the area, if not at any one of them or one of the other, it is moving around those four, and it moves as it needed to move, as people are working in the different bunkers.

Now look at the picture on the right. You are now looking at two of those sanitized bunkers. The signature vehicles are gone, the tents are gone, it's been cleaned up, and it was done on the 22nd of December, as the U.N. inspection team is arriving, and you can see the inspection vehicles arriving in the lower portion of the picture on the right.

The bunkers are clean when the inspectors get there. They found nothing."

02/05/2003 Colin Powell, there lies damn lies and Repubulican lies that get you into war

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

"If you like your health care, you can keep it."

The problem with that statement has always been - IF the Insurance companies let you keep it. This is an insane notion - That - the insurance companies - THE FOR PROFIT insurance companies are gonna become anything like fair and affordable for ALL - NO - HELL NO - they are gonna fight tooth and nail for every single penny that they can squeeze out of our current system. The system that CATERS to the for profit business model. Regulations on spending and executive as well as board member or share holder PAY/Enrichment/Bonuses/etc - regulations limiting the extraction of money from care and thereby limiting the excessive money going to execs or board members or share holders - has always been needed as a 1st step in rehabilitating the health care system - AS WELL AS FOR REHABILITATING ALL OTHER BUSINESS.

[+] -6 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Nope. The insurance companies cancelled the policies based on rules created by ACA.

If you regulate spending, $$$ just move overseas and we look more and more like a third world country.

You could take 100% of the execs and board members money. It wouldn't fix anything. We'd just look more like East Germany did.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

NOPE - the insurance companies discontinued/canceled coverage out of greed.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

To your answer below, if you want to afford stuff, then get the federal reserve (the gubment) to stop printing trillions of dollars every year. Free money is not free. It causes inflation, and therefore, you "can't afford". Ben Bernanke, Janet Yellen, Barack Obama promising freebies everyday and "quantitative easing" are why you "can't afford".

The answer isn't a living wage, the answer is to stop destroying our currency for the welfare state.

Actions have consequences and we're living them.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

To your answer below, if you want to afford stuff, then get the federal reserve (the gubment) to stop printing trillions of dollars every year.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK. They ( the gubmnt ) could also end subsidies to the wealthy.

The answer isn't a living wage, the answer is to stop destroying our currency for the welfare state.

Yes - welfare for wallstreet and the wealthy MUST BE ENDED.

Actions have consequences and we're living them.

You Bet - letting the wealthy and corp(se)oRATions extract trillions of dollars from our country/economy and hide it off shore as well as not making them pay taxes as well as as allowing them to offshore work so that they can pay slave wages overseas and bypass all EPA and health/safety regulations - HAS GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

No, welfare for EVERYONE must end. No playing favorites.

The EPA is your pride card. You abhor hard work and manual labor, so you get the EPA, USDA, FDA and whatever gubment bureau you can corral to get you out of hard work thru regulation. Much easier to be lazy and bitch and moan in your web browser all day. Much easier to shuffle paper and create nothing.

You have gotten everything you wanted and this is the result. Welcome to your world.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

" The EPA is your pride card. You abhor hard work and manual labor, so you get the EPA, USDA, FDA and whatever gubment bureau you can corral to get you out of hard work thru regulation."

= FUCK YOU SHITHEAD

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[-] -3 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 6 months ago

The insurance companies are the ones that wrote this shit, sorry to break it to you.

They canceled all the raw policies, and then get to blame the government and say "sorry, but that is no good now. You need the one with XYZ bells".

The gov then gets to say "No we didnt agree to that, blah blah blah"..

Bottom line is the insurance companies get to eliminate the small plans, and the gov forces everyone to buy the delux version for more money.

Win-win for both of em.

And the people are too out of the loop to realize how it works.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

I pretty much agree with that assessment. It's called crony kapitalism.

Which makes me wonder why people here at OWS want Washington DC to intervene in our lives even more to make things "fair"???

"The more the plans fail, the more the planners plan." - Ronald Reagan

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

certainly not the way I approach projects

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Back to the subject (lie) at hand...........

"If you like your healthcare, you can keep it". - Generic Democrat Donkey

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Here Ya Go SHITHEAD:

CARTOON: My insurance got religion by MattWuerker


You love it & you know it.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17742) 6 months ago

LOL........that's the best one yet!!!!!!

and it skipped over rape insurance.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

and it skipped over rape insurance.

Not necessary by now? As every woman in the USA should be aware of that attack on them by now?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17742) 6 months ago

Few cared around here and there's was close to nothing in the press. So using that as a measure, it could have used a panel.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

Few cared around here

I don't think so - and there actually has been a fair amount of mainstream talk about the subject ( for once ). As for those "here" that don't care ( shills ) they should be quiet more often - the fuckers.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17742) 6 months ago

Nothing is said in the news around here anymore, and it was barely reported when it passed.

Teabagge(R)y, Koch influence is the likely culprit.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

No nothing is being said - currently.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17742) 6 months ago
[-] -2 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 6 months ago

Its the "land of the free"..

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

free land? where ?

[-] -1 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 6 months ago

I always thought public space was for the public.

Then, due to massive theft at the top and corporatism, Occupy sprung up, to create a platform for the people to gather and figure out how to solve this mess.

Then the state shut it down.

So much for public land. Guess that was a hoax too.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

There was no conspiracy. Occupy shut down occupy out of sheer incompetence.

They had no coherent message and they brought nothing to the table. It was their way or the highway and they had no power to begin with. Realizing that, they should have learned to talk AND listen. They didn't want to listen. Just shout and complain all day. OWS gets all the derision it richly deserves.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

U must get plenty of derision. But no doubt - not nearly enough.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

are private interests involved in this process ?

[+] -6 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 7 months ago

Was a promise made to allow people to keep their health care if they like it?

Was that promise kept?

[-] 3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

not if the private companies choose not to keep it

[+] -8 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Sorry, but the Big-O made the promise and set out the rules in his 3000 page healthcare bill. It's all on him and the donkey democrats. No one else. P E R I OD.

Time for the left to accept responsibility for the lies and the failures.

[-] -3 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 6 months ago

Actually it was just copy-cat off of heritage crap from years ago, with about 800 extra pages of tax loopholes, extra rules and laws that have nothing to do with healthcare, and plenty of input from multinational corporations on how to really screw the small guy but not screw them too bad.

Just because some Dem supporters, and the Dem politicians, are dumb enough to rally around it, doesn't not make it a platform that conservatives have embraced in the past.

[-] -3 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Actually, it wasn't. It was custom written crappola by leftist congressional staffers. If it had been a copycat, then Nancee Pelosi wouldn't have said "we need to pass the bill to find out what's in it."

Just about every democrat voted for it. Every republican voted against it. Thems the facts, like it or not.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

yet it still passed

convenient to make a show of superficial differences

[-] -3 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

No kidding it passed. What's your point?

It's a ball of schit and suddenly the purveyors who were so proud of it when it passed want to stick it on someone else. They wanted it. Let them take credit for it, not spread the failure around on everyone and rewrite history. Time for some personal responsibility by the leftists.

Got it now?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

oh no

Obama apologized for a website not working (eyeroll)

welcome to the internet washington, are you aware that what you send is not private ?

ofcourse as a lame duck, the president can makes it appear that he's the acceptance of responsible. But that doesn't apply of violent actions committed outside of country

[-] -3 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

It's not about the website not working. That's minor. It's that central planning ALWAYS fails.

Just look at VA care. Look at how doctors aren't accepting new medicare patients and dropping old ones.

Find out who denies the most patients. It ain't the insurance companies. It's medicare. It's all about pushing everyone to the lowest common denominator.

And medicaid is breaking all the state budgets because it's so poorly implemented. Social Security is going broke as we speak. See a pattern? Fannie? Freddie? All gubment enterprises.

Like I said, it's a ball of schit. Everything the gubment does is overpromised and underdelivered. It has to be. The economics of central planning don't work. JUst look at the Soviet Union, the iron curtain countries, Cuba, etc.

Is this some sort of revelation to you?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

It's that central planning ALWAYS fails.

lol (baseless self defined rhetoric)

gosh so all those HMO problems were from medicare ?

[-] -3 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

We had EMTALA and other stupid Washington mandates long before we had HMOs.

BTW, HMO is another Washington "policy". See a pattern yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Maintenance_Organization_Act_of_1973

The more Washington DC does, the worse things get.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

the government should serve the populous

and believe transparency and accessibility would help

we have a new way of doing that through the internez

[+] -4 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

People should earn their own way instead of demanding free stuff from others.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34988) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 months ago

It should be made possible ( again ) for people to be able to afford to do for themselves by having a living wage.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 months ago

all energy comes from the sun

[-] -3 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 6 months ago

"Just about every democrat voted for it. Every republican voted against it. Thems the facts, like it or not"

No one is disputing if your idiot politicians voted that way. Nice to see you take that idiot Pelosi seriously though. Guess she has you fooled.

Go dig up the heritage layout, its the same shit.

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[-] 1 points by Shule (1696) 7 months ago

Somebody forgot to tell my employer about all those good things you noted them politicians were promising about health care.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Washington DC promiseth and Washington DC taketh away.

[+] -4 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 7 months ago

Republican's Medicare Part D was more socialist than this. Don't tell them that, they'll get all freaky and start wiggling like worms.

What a misinformed, mis-educated and constantly manipulated (yes, even on here) population we are.

[+] -5 points by primadonya (-85) from Hillsdale, NJ 6 months ago

Oh, I'm not sure it was as socialist, but it's right up there and it was the wrong thing to do.

After all, Medicare is losing money every year. Another utopian dream gone awry.

It can't possibly work long term. No ponzi scheme can. The math doesn't work as usual.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (4187) from Cornelius, OR 6 months ago

The Lessons of Success — Revisiting the Medicare Story
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMhpr0806879

Facts have a Liberal bias, are easy to find, and refute RepubliCon lies so easily and thoroughly.

[+] -6 points by sundae (-40) 7 months ago

Great. Let's debate the DEGREE of socialism contained in Rep or Dem policies today in the USA. Lenin, Marx, Mao, Castro, Oblamer, and various other tinpots must surely be smiling