Forum Post: If This Was a Free Market/Society
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 2, 2012, 7:12 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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I would have a choice in whom I purchase power from. Probably a good clean company, seems how thats what I want, and so do many others.
Cars would be getting more than their usual MPG because big oil wouldnt be running the whole thing through gov regulations and subsidies.
Gay people would be allowed to marry wherever and whenever they wanted to.
Smoking a joint wouldnt mean you are a criminal.
A doctor could break up his costs and charge you what he needs to make in a day, along with the costs of his equipment.
University costs would be plummeting, not going up. The schools wouldnt have the gov to guarantee their loans by simply taking money out of circulation.
The TBTF banks would have failed. New ones would be popping up. There are ZERO applications so far this year for new banks. Frank Dodd did what it was suppose to do- choke out competition under the guise of good regulation.
We would not have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
Im not sure what the food situation would look like, because everyone knows fast food is garbage, but they still buy it.
The gov would not be influenced by corporations, there would be no money in politics.
And last but not least, hopefully the nation would not be stuck voting for lesser of two evils, which really means just voting against yourself- just depends on how much.
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No kidding, so keep putting the fascists D and R scam in there. That outta help things.
Once again you are making the mistake of confusing corrupted politicians making horrible rules vs a democratically decided group of decisions by the local community.
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The media would report the news. The real news.
How the hell can people vote this comment down?
I swear they just sit and wait for certain people who's views they don't usually agree with and vote down their comments just for the heck of it.
Good comment..
They're not voting down the comment. They're voting down the person.
Edit: And thanks, John.
Awesome post.
"artificially manipulated interest rates by the Fed wouldn't exist" is also one.
Fascism is not a typical ending of capitalism. It is a typical ending in an apathetic public. Go ask Hitler and Mussolini.
Or you could just ask the (R)epelican'ts and teabagge(R)s
That's much easier than asking dead people.
Besides......there is no "free market", it's always been an illusion created by folks that like to take your money from you as well as your Country.
Free is a sliding scale. But there is no doubt we are moving quickly towards NOT free at all, a total centrally planned system that sucks the money from the people to fund corruption and war.
How very apathetic of you to put it that way.
I guess you aren't immune either.
Care to elaborate on that opinion?
"Free is a sliding scale".
If that isn't apathy?
What is?
Being semi pregnant?
Way to take something and compare it to something completely idiotic as usual.
You are compeletely useless in this spectrum. The next comment you post on a thread like this will be your first...
http://occupywallst.org/forum/shake-it-up-real-solutions-to-real-problems-with-a/
You are here to help the status quo, the establishment and the banks. Its not a secret. Its very obvious. People like you are why most occupiers dont even want to participate on this site.
You would know that if you ever went.
More insults?
You do more to aid the status quo by ignoring the reality of the libe(R)tarian co -option.
That is what Rove and the Koch are shooting for.
They thank you for your aid.
Too bad, I did point out your apathy.
If you had a clue you would realize they have been part of this thing since its inception.
It would probably shock you that there were some Republicans that were glad to support money out of politics and stopping the banking cartel as well.
This is what happens when you debate someone and you have no personal experience to base anything on. You lose.
I know, I used to talk to them.
I even brought a few around on different issues.
They don't come around anymore.
Money out of politics? To get it out you will have to get involved.
Auditing the FED? It won't change a thing, it will just give the cartel deniability, and maybe a scape goat.
The continued insults??
Just plain lame.
To boot? Both of these are Alex Jones, Mr. P style libe(R)tarian issues.
Bling based currency? Just one market for them to control.
Not exactly revolutionary.
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"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance"
That's what makes you so darn dangerous john.
So very dangerous.
You have no cogent response to what I said.
Why respond to someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about? A person that is against something as useful as auditing the fed because it might have been suggested by someone who has a differing ideology than yours. You stop progress because of your blinded ideologies...its disgusting.
I never see anything remotely intelligent from your responses....never backed up by facts....you can throw all kinds of statistics and numbers at people like you and in the end you will say "nope...sorry...i don't believe it..but the stuff i made up in my head sounds a lot better to me so i'll keep thinking that." Its a waste of time debating w/ ur type.
Go educate yourself on the Fed and "bling" currency and then come back and discuss.
Because I did all that months ago.
It's your ideology that's blind. That I've heard umpteen times.
You still provide no cogent response.
Lets discuss bling currencies then.....what's ur beef...specifics?
You're from the ChiTown area right?
What would that have to do with anything I said?
Nothing.
You claim support from the "right" wing/teabagge(R)s/libe(R)tarians, etc.
Please show me the publications from those "leanings" that support Occupy.
All I can find are progressive publications.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/who-still-loves-us/
Some of these dedicate entire sections to the cause, so please don't post lip service from a poll.
Once again, you go off of the media, I'll go off of what I saw.
Now granted, OWS is a shred of what it was. PRetty tough to find too much diversity in it these days.
We thank the media for that.
Bullshit!
Your comments on the States is bullshit!
That IS the libe(R)tarian line, verbatim.
The States are where this shit is happening almost every day.
You just don't read the postings.
If there were any power in the federal government, Florida wouldn't be the political cesspool it is today.
The States are the only place we have a chance for a foot hold.
The fact that you so blithely reject it with lies, can only further convince me of the level of your co-option.
Really? Name me some stuff you are working to save this nation (tax policy, trade policy, monetary policy, foreigh policy) that you are working on at the state level?
I would actually take it down one more level. Not only is there more power in the states, there is more power in the individual.
If the people dont want to rise up to the challenge then the states are powerless, and the feds grow bigger.
Do you agree that the states are being stripped of their power at a fast pace?
Your response, as usual, was not to what I had written.
It rarely is.
At least you haven't resorted to name calling .........yet.
You've convinced me even more as to the level of co-option.
I guess I have it correctly.
Shooz, do you not remember all the Guy Fawkes masks and End-the-Fed signs at the beginning?
No? You don't?
These are at least reasonably credible sites, and not MSM.
You can't find what I asked you for, because they aren't there, and they never were.
CATO gave some tentative lip service, but once they realized that an overt co-option wasn't going to happen, they chose other methods to force a change and blurring of focus.
That's when you lost most of the support..........and you can bet WallStreet and private investment firms like Koch Ind. paid for it.
Maybe we progressives are hopeless romantics, but at least we still believe in and support OWS, and it shows in our press.
You want to know what to do?
Screw national politics for the time being. You will lose, every time.
Focus on your State............That's why I like to post stuff that is happening in the States.
Do it NOW! While the powers be are spending so lavishly on national politics.
There will be political vulnerabilities, find them and exploit them.
Re-brand and lose your fear.
You've already been co-opted.
The problem with state politics these days is that there has been so much concentration of power in DC, that the states are pretty much helpless against the feds.
The minute they try to do their own thing, the threats of funding come and it goes away.
And you are correct, most of the media coverage never mentioned what a diverse crowd it was. They only played the uneducated naive soundbits (this is very typical).
The right attacked, the left embraced (kind of) and the vast majority of Americans started to lose faith that this was truly a new diverse thing.
You never post anything about your state, just bash me about mine (even though I've only lived here for 5 years).