Forum Post: I do hope that OWS is aware
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 8, 2011, 3:22 p.m. EST by Rob
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that if the desire is to overthrow the government and replace the Constitution that is tantamount to treason. If you plan on splintering off that will instigate a civil war. Either way you lose and you will die.
No not really.
How about just a massive reform?
I do hope that you're aware that the government has been subverted to the whims of multinational corporations and taken from the people, which is tantamount to a coup, or high treason.
I do hope you're aware that that very government disregards that very Constitution you hold sacred, which is tantamount to treason. The government as outlined in the constitution has already been overthrown, not violently but from an inner rot. It is you duty as an American to oppose this.
The only thing required for evil men to succeed is that good men do nothing.
Not everybody supporting OWS wants to trash the Consittution. Where did you even come upmwith this idea?
1% vs 99% ?
Who will lose a hypothetical civil war?
If I was you I would respect the principle of non-violence.
Who has control of the national guard and police offiers? The government will win the war.
1) The US government cannot win a protracted guerrilla war against goat herders living in the mountains of Afghanistan--- let alone against the logistical nightmare of doing this on their own soil against their own population. Governments cannot defeat their own population united against them--- its nonsense.
2) Many former/current military personnel (like myself) will refuse orders to turn their weapons on US citizens. http://www.mikenew.com/29palms.html
it all depends on how it is portrayed in the media. It will not be displayed as a civil war, it will be a rebellion and a riot. Look at Oakland. How is that portrayed? OWS started a riot. All the gov't has to do is call in the riot police, and fan the flames. Sooner or later, a riot will start that needs to be squashed with force.
Your missing "the population united against them" part of your conclusion above.
Your missing the collapse of the corporate/state media and their ability to control the flow of information.
The internet has defeated the propaganda system. Nobody is buying your shit anymore.
why is it MY shit? Im not selling any shit. Would you care to buy my shit?
well, since all of it is hypothetical anyway... then we will all descend into anarchy and it is no longer the gov't against OWS. It will be the haves against the have nots, and the haves with guns will win.
Have against the have-nots is what we have now. Anarchy is the absence of coercion/hierarchy. Perhaps you mean "Anomie"?
Regardless, your assumption rests the idea that functioning civil society is impossible without the US government and its corporate rulers.
Nothing supports this idea. In fact, economic organization and social cohesion/harmony would be greatly improved by the abolition of these parasitic/repressive institutions.
The problem with the "99%" is that it does not have the support of the 99% OWS is a group of marginal protesters and lobbyists.
Unless one's individual income is over 500,000 (annually) they are not part of the 1%.
Chances are, people with incomes of 70K-500K are not supporting OWS movement, (if it can even be called a movement)
Its a documented fact that the majority of both the US population and the world support OWS. If it comes down to open class war the other side will lose. Lets try and keep things Civil. Its in your own best interests.
where is this documentation?
Um, in poll after poll. Do you not read newspapers? only foxnews? I'm done doing basic research for people. Google is your friend.
This just in: Earth round. "nah man! i want to see proof!"
do you have any of these polls? from un-biased sources?
Dozens of hits on Google from many commonly cited polling agencies. go for it.
If this where some obscure factoid i was citing i could see you demanding links/documents. This is widely reported in many media outlets. Its like if you were demanding I give you citations that Mitt Romney is running for president. I am not responsible for your ignorance.
Well that's the thing. I did look. and it looks like 30% of America supports you, 30% don't give a dam and 40% are opposed to you
As opposed to more than 50% (A majority) like most polls from credible agencies are showing...
I did find that 50% support either the Tea Party and OWS but not seperatly
It was the associated press and the examiner.
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"Some 59 percent of adults either completely agree or mostly agree with the protesters, while 31 percent mostly disagree or completely disagree; 10 percent of those surveyed didn't know or refused to answer.
What's more, many people are paying attention to the rallies. Almost two-thirds of respondents--65 percent--said they've heard "a lot" or "some" about the rallies, while 35 percent have said they've heard or seen "not too much" or "nothing at all" about the demonstrations.
The results appear in the latest edition of the United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll. "
You'll note that polls overrepresented by registered voters (either republican or democrat) show distorted statistics compared to other polls. The majority of Americans don't waste their time voting---because its meaningless.
The reason the 99% are not all supporting OWS yet is because they are still living in la la land and have not woke up. Don't worry the worse is yet to come ... all OWS is trying to do is enlighten the people living in la la land. www.activistpost.com/2010/08/10-signs-us-is-becoming-third-world.html
www.activistpost.com/2011/11/world-war-3-foregone-conclusion-video.html Read Zen Gardner's link article under video here
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You assume far too much, OWS is less than 1% of the population and the vast majority of the population could care less about your social club.
I hope the GA will get around to using ... Article Five of the United States Constitution.
That is true. the OWS is not a threat though they are a tiny percent of the overall population. and they think they are great but their is rape and thievery everyday their!
This is why i'm very concerned about this Leaderless-Collective™ and the possibility that the weak "consensus" method will get overridden with an Anarchist movement and bring their treasonous plan to fruition and therefore lead all the members of Occupy to a slaughter.
A civil war? WTF are you talking about?
If the desire is to splinter off via the "convention" planned for Philadelphia next year, then it becomes a declaration of war.
Why would a convention of OWS be a declaration of war? And who is the war against?
Like the Declaration of Independence was a letter to the King that "we are not going to take it anymore", depending on the wording of any declaration from the convention, it COULD be construed as an act to remove the current government, thus a declaration of war.
Most of the population doesn't support the US government. It does not rule by the consent of the government--- as such it is illegitimate and illegal.
How about firing the current population in the White House for not doing their jobs. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 and go straight to jail!
Fuck this shit Zionist occupied country... A Civil war it is.
we're run from tel Aviv anyway,