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Forum Post: I believe we won't give them what they want

Posted 4 years ago on Nov. 12, 2013, 8:20 p.m. EST by elf3 (3900)
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An anonymous non-cohesive movement with no leaders or martyrs to represent our plight. To them we are just another list of numbers, our voices are lost in the crowd, our points are drowned out by the corporate media, our stance is minimized and invalidated, and a generation has become the puppet to a master that has grown so large that we look like ants. What is a little ant to do - work harder, long more, wish that everyone would wake up and come to their senses, or give up and fall in line? Go to work and pretend we're not entering a new Orwellian Corporate Age? These are the times, they are ours, we are the future, it's time to let them know that we choose people over rigid imposed structures or caste systems - give occupy a face - we are people - while corporations are not. We are not worker bees, we are not machines, we are not compliant little puppets. Above all shop less, care more, and protest with every last bit of what they don't have but really want to steal from you - your soul!!!!



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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22871) 4 years ago

"Above all shop less, care more, and protest with every last bit of what they don't have but really want to steal from you - your soul!!!!"

Well put, elf3, thanks.

And, most definitely, the economy is man-made. It doesn't grow up out of the soil searching for the sun. Man creates and controls it, and man can do a much better job with it so that it works for all people.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3900) 4 years ago

yes agree - sigh - how do we get them to do this? ...I've never seen things more competitive in this world...it's becoming scary - My knits and worn out shoes and lack of name brand bag must give me away as wanting a better world (well also my beat up car and Elizabeth Warren sticker) and I think I'm sensing some hostility for that since wanting a better world is very controversial and egregious these days as my knits would tell you. Anyway I can't believe how well propaganda actually works. I think the left and right have very different ideas of success there-in lies a very large divisive problem. To some stuff is status, it is achievement, more stuff is even better even if it means working their life away to get it. To others having time is important, we want to be with family, be in nature, create, and have hobbies - even if it means having very little stuff. Unfortunately the stuff people seem to be controlling the time people via resources (needs) so they can have more stuff and the time people aren't getting time and the stuff people are keeping so many more of their profits so they can get more stuff that the time people don't have very much stuff and are working twice as hard to buy stuff they need and not much else. The time people want to work less and have an economy that allows that balance (meaning products aren't over-inflated and kept that way with a wink an nod by our government to force more out of their pockets and keep people on a production treadmill) so they won't have to work 3 jobs to make ends meet) hell they already don't buy much so you can see how the rewards of working to work might get old. So a work treadmill or be unemployed and totally f----ked - or become a stuff person, throw ethics out the window, trample others when necessary to get ahead? Are these our choices?

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (22871) 4 years ago

I am a "time" person too for sure and, actually, I think some people who know me are envious of how not materialistic I am. They want to not be materialistic too, but they just don't know how to. They can't let go of their "stuff". They are, in effect, owned by their stuff.

I think our only choice is to be true to ourselves and to set an example and to try to survive in an economic system that is clearly not set up for us. We have to try to live outside that system as much as possible by using cooperatives and by setting up permaculture farms, etc. Jph, quantumystic and greenanarchosyndacalist all have good threads on those matters, to name a few.

You are completely right in everything you say, that the system is rigged for the "stuff" people.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3900) 4 years ago

I feel like people never believe it, they seem to think I'm lying and that I'm really envious of their stuff. Because they place so much value on it they project that thinking into everyone else ...they believe it's a way for me to justify being broke and not having a lot and to deny my envy. They also don't understand wanting time - they automatically jump to lazy inferences...they don't believe that the economy can be changed (once the thinking around it is) Then come the eye rolls and questions about vegetarianism. I don't know the way in there...there has to be a way get to get through - I think Occupy has to find some ways to crack the the stuff mindset.

I have to say, really intrigued by crown-sourcing ...it is a way around banks and another way for society to decide what's important when the politicians are being bribed to ignore them.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22871) 4 years ago

Deep down, they wish they didn't have to work so hard to pay for all the crap they've bought which, really, now owns them. It's just hard for them to admit that to themselves. And, anything we can do to work and live outside the corporate driven economic system is what we should be doing.

I just watched this great video that sff put up. Richard Wolff explains our screwed economic system in just 14 minutes. Worth a watch.


[-] 4 points by elf3 (3900) 4 years ago

The economy is not some planetary force of nature - it is an imposed system, an engineered structure created by a few of us humans to fuck all the other humans - so shrug your shoulders and make that stupid face like you're too cool or too positive to talk about it ... that'll fix it!



[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Are you saying we need a leader or martyr?

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3900) 4 years ago

thinking maybe - we the people are already anonymous - doesn't seem to do us very good. I know we have people out there putting themselves on the line, but they too slip away. Seems like every great movement had its leaders... I feel like we need a face to represent us and the good we stand for. We know our causes, we understand justice, but we have nobody to represent us.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

And you have someone in mind?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Bernie Sanders {;-])

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

Right. Nah, I would really love to hear whom our tea party secretary has in mind.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

That's not really a question - it is any number of straight out corp(se)oRATs = Boring & Stupid as well as INSANE.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3900) 4 years ago

(two heads same dragon) and you're a troll designed to keep the movement divided - how many times have you got me to say I'm on the left now? And though i am on many issues - I'm able to come center when logic dictates a need to, and to recognize neither political party represents the view of the common people.

(Read up on the Dali Lama he sets a very good example on this)

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 4 years ago

I just don't like bullshit. I don't. And you see that little davidicke.com site below? Ya, blow me.