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Forum Post: Hurricane hit area

Posted 1 year ago on Nov. 7, 2012, 9:40 p.m. EST by Coyote88 (-24)
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Seems that FEMA has screwed the pooch. Lots without power which means no heat. No gas. Etc... Where is the government?

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[-] 2 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Through the police forces, our local (New York and New Jersey) governments are policing the rationing, lining up for, and orderly dispensing of gasoline and diesel at our gas stations.

[-] 1 points by Karlin (350) from Nelson, BC 1 year ago

Alexander Higgens blog/servers/house/neighborhood is ruined... no help,no power, no heat

He has a car, and occasional cell phone service.

Video of Gov Christie telling TV that help is coming, but he tells the neighborhood "7 to 10 days" before help comes

http://tinyurl.com/cby2eqb

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

I understand. Okay.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Did you think of moving to a public shelter where at least it would be warmer?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm I think shelters in NY or most places are already filled with economic victims. I was wondering if the city had any emergency plan to use hotels and motels.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Underground should be somewhat warmer so maybe New York City residents should be allowed to sleep in the underground innards of the Pennsylvania Station. For some reasons unbeknownst to me, that train station was always HOT but in this type of weather it may become downright cozy.

There are also public buildings such as armories that can house lots of people but of course I doubt our governments trust the people enough to house them with potentially lethal weapons. Grand Central Station can also shelter huge number of people, too, but I am not so sure about how warm it is.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 1 year ago

How long will it be before the utilities get going enough to get people through the winter?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

As always, it really depends on the "pull" that one has (the usual things from time immemorial: influence, connection, money, charm, how isolated the power outage location is [restoring power to 100 customer accounts usually trumps doing that for one account], etc.). The utilities themselves know better.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ummm - yeah well - I suppose - depending on the location - flooding and all and a nor-Easter storm happening. What f'n timing on two storms hey?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

This nor'easter is unlikely to flood as much as Sandy (9 days out from the high tide that was coincident with Sandy means tides are not as high and since the nor'easter is not as windy as Sandy) so I would take a chance on the flooding and move underground. It is awful that they come as a quick one-two punch before things have returned to normal. Hypothermia is a real threat for people without shelter.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I think that I would prefer not taking a risk on the unknown - and use public facilities like schools and private facilities like hotels and motels - But That may just be me and my past as a QA manager looking at all of the things that can go wrong.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

You have a point there. Money does help, sometimes, because hotels and motels accept it. Yes, thinking of things from all angles can be helpful.

New York City also has a number of underground police headquarters in major subway hub stations so asking them there for dispatch to safe location(s) can be helpful.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Thx.

Think that government could benefit from some QA programs????

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Different people can have different needs for the same situation. Some have money, some have charm, and others have influence. It is up to the individual to discover their unique endowment and make wise choices. QA programs can be helpful but they were probably "talked away" by "management" through "once-in-a-century storm [Sandy/New York/New Jersey]," "once-in-five-hundred-year flood [Katrina/New Orleans]," and "once-in-a-million failure rate [space shuttles Challenger and Columbia]." Mark Twain was right -- there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well - I can tell you from personal experience - executive management hates QA programs - but will push them because - that is what our customers want - damn it.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

We are the land of the post mortem, definitely a notch better than the never-figured-it-outs. Unfortunately, we have a knack of forgetting lessons learned and start ripping things out for greater efficiency. It is like, "See, mom, no hands!" just before we crash into the same old tree that grandpa slammed into. What did grandpa say? "See, mom, no hands!"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yeah - unfortunately - these guys appear to be in positions of authority for some un-Godly reason - all to often.

[-] 2 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

They always say that the situation is "unprecedented" "never-anticipated" "never-before-seen" etc. The truth is often "we did not look back in time far enough" "anticipated all right but we decided to save the money for my bonus" "we have received the memoranda but they have conveniently disappeared -- damn the dog who ate them!"

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

How much may have been prevented by an upgraded infrastructure - well I guess they would know about that.

Note: people generally think roads when they think infrastructure - roads and bridges. But it is so much more.


[-] 1 points by grapes (1089) 0 minutes ago

I also heard that Far Rockaway's Breezy Point neighborhood had many such homes. From Sandy's effects (perhaps downed electric cables causing fire), even the firefighters had a really awful time trying to save their brethren's homes from burning.

I would not say this experience make them feel closer to the economic victims. I would rather say that some of them may actually be the victims, economic, psychological, and more. It is very sad. Can you imagine that? The Greek tragedy of a firefighter losing home to a fire that cannot be fought. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

It is very hard to prevent recurrence even with an upgraded infrastructure. The Breezy Point neighborhood is literally on the beach exposed fully to the fury of the Atlantic Ocean in bad times. It was not called Breezy Point for nothing!

Why do people have to build their homes there? The ocean can be very nice often but it can also turn against us. Even with upgraded infrastructure, it can still be tough to keep utilities working with salty water flooding and high winds. The best choice is not to build there and let nature claim it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is easy to come up with excuses. What if they just told the truth - it does not affect me - so I don't care.

On an interesting note Brian Williams said tonight that much of the devastated area was home to the NYPD and NYFD. Think this experience may make them feel closer to the economic victims?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

I also heard that Far Rockaway's Breezy Point neighborhood had many such homes. From Sandy's effects (perhaps downed electrical cables causing fire and flooding), even the firefighters had a really awful time trying to save their brethren's homes from burning.

I would not say this experience make them feel closer to the economic victims. I would rather say that some of them may actually be the victims, economic, psychological, and more. It is very sad. Can you imagine that? The Greek tragedy of a firefighter losing home to a fire that cannot be fought.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24970) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

NY? Jersey?..... ? Who you lookin for?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Counting or recounting the votes and plotting the strategy to go forward over the fiscal cliff? Together, we can!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There is no quick solution when disaster hits.

[-] -2 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

Chris Matthews stated that " he was glad that hurricane Sandy happened" because he believes it helped Obama

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

Chris Mathews is a disgusting little toady and a retard.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3312) 1 year ago

Perhaps Nowsmichigan is simply ticked off by the results of the election putting Obama in for another four years. Hurricane Sandy is a major disaster for the East Coast just as the drought and fires were a major disaster for the Mid-West and the West. A lesson that we can all take away from these events is that we are all at the mercy of mother nature and should not really be "glad" when disasters happen to other people.

[-] 0 points by Nowsmichigan (-310) 1 year ago

I bet he sleeps with a blow up obama doll every night

[-] 1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

I've no doubt of it.