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Forum Post: Humans Farming Humans

Posted 5 years ago on Oct. 12, 2012, 11:57 p.m. EST by bullfrogma (448)
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Living Inside A Box Will Dumb You Down

We have already lost, we are all slaves, and most of us already know this. The solution has to begin, and we cannot afford to prolong our astonishment. We need a physical plan to reinstall democracy, and we desperately need to modify our situation for the sake of our future. With corporations monopolizing power, money is making all the decisions, and it only caters to itself.

We cannot loose independence, that equality. The more you can test something the more accurate it becomes. It is the most important thing for enabling us to discern evil, progress our variety and survive disaster. They would have us believe we would tear one another apart. They might even pretend that we are, but we can dethrone money with permaculture and community, and this would save our government from monopoly, by saving ourselves.

Money is not real because ownership is not real, yet we have made money our evolutionary factor, with life as a byproduct. Insanity is believing in things that are not real, and how that will conflict with a world that is real. We cannot solve a systemic problem with topical solutions. We cannot restrain this monster. We have to cut the head off, which is any system of slavery, such as money. This transition would be more effortless than people seem to imagine. It all starts when we take care of our food, and slow down on everything else.

We are fighting to be conscious from something animal, and this critical thinking, independent, divining freedom can save us. Evil should be illegal, if only we had this democratic government that fully supported our independence. They are not trying to create an intelligent future because they are jealous, one dimensional monsters, too weak in their self to be strong, and we absolutely have to disarm them. If we can recreate independent democracy, with all of our facility and resources at the scrutiny of popular agreement produced by collective education, it will be impossible for any monster to conquer us.

Good Luck,




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[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

Let me get this straight.

We're facing an epic food and water crisis, the ozone is disappearing, starting wars is a money making business, and the people making all of our important decisions for us are laughing their way to the bank? We have overwhelming facts but, seriously, no democracy?

What are we, the people, doing about it? Is this the twilight zone? Protesting? Talking over pete's coffee about what an injustice this is? Sitting on a computer, gazing at rainbow colored lasers drawing bursts of glowing lava?

This is not merely injustice. This is the utter doom of our planet. You are killing the most creative and intelligent people who will never exist in the future. This is the most serious crime against humanity that is possible.

Install a new government.

Let collective education do the rest.

Change the system so that corruption can't happen. This is what democracy is. It is not the president. It is not the electoral college. It is not private corporations. It is every single badass person on this planet watching out for each other, and it is simple.

This has to be the ultimate chain of command.

We created this government, and we own it.

So how could we do this? We have to make a big deal out of it that the whole world can hear. Keep it simple but explain, and network a vote for change that has to be answered. We vote for the president that easy. Schools are everywhere and maybe students would help.

Stand united, be one thing, one organisation.

Be that thing the government is lacking.

What could we do if they still ignore the demand to reform? Advertise. Tell the whole world that our government has been proven corrupt but refuses to do anything about it. Tell the whole world not to trust them, that we are being held against our will, and not to support it.

Since we look to our government for everything offical, they can afford to ignore something to our face because their lack of acknowlegement creates psychological discredit. But that wouldn't work in the face of the world. They would be pressed hard to do the right thing.

It's an idea, but please, do something.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 5 years ago

I'm NOT saying "do nothing". So don't tell me that I am.

But-"the most creative and intelligent people" who have EVER lived on this planet are the ones who exist today. And those people consist of "the rich" (who in your opinion are evil and ruling us all) the middle class who I assume you feel is letting it happen and the poor who I assume you feel are helpless to stop it. (insert your own assumptions about them here if I'm wrong)

You CANNOT assure that corruption can't happen or never happens again UNTIL you eliminate corruption from the human race. A Democracy can only EVER be as good or bad as the people living in it, because THOSE people make the choices they do based upon their own personal degree of corruption.

If every single "badass person" on this planet watched out for even ONE other person-there would be no need for government at all. If we shared, if we cared, if we reached out our OWN hands-instead of insisting upon the collective or the government to do it FOR us-and picked someone up, fed them, loved them, took them home and helped them succeed WITH us-we would have the Utopia you want.

You can't make "US as a WHOLE" any better than the ingredients you have to make it with. If you want the government and country to reflect a better image back to you, you have to put a better image in front of the mirror.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

By "creative and intelligent people" i was talking about the future, if we survive and get our evolution back on a good track, because right now there's none of that going on. If the rich are so smart, why are we so screwed?

Democracy would take care of this kind of corruption. People would still backstab and do stupid things, but you have to be kidding if you're saying you don't understand.

I hate it when people like you put the word Utopia in our mouth. Life is pain, anyone saying different is trying to sell something. I'm guessing you're one of the corporate detractors trying to bury this forum.

Beat off.

[-] -1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 5 years ago

I didn't say anything different. I'm pointing out that Utopia is never going to happen until the human race as a whole becomes Utopian FIRST.

You believe in evolution and yet you believe that humanity has somehow "screwed" it up. That we would or could be MORE evolved than we currently are-and thus insure some future creative and intelligent race comes into existence! But evolution doesn't distinguish between "good and bad" tracks. It doesn't make "MORAL" distinctions. It makes SURVIVAL distinctions that keep the stronger alive while allowing the weaker to die off.

THOUSANDS of species have come and gone on this planet without the help or interference of "humanity" in their survival or extinction and humanity just might come and go as well. That might indeed be just what is BEST for the planet. But YOU seem to be working on at least two faulty lines of thinking- 1) that we should be better or farther along in our "evolution" than nature has seen fit to make us (and thus making us more powerful than evolution itself in that we have diverged from the evolutionary process) 2) that we are somehow so important, or fabulous as a race/species that we simply cannot allow evolution to extinguish us as it normally would (thus also making us more powerful than evolution and nature and capable of controlling it)

I never said that the "rich were so smart"-but the opposite side of that coin, since you brought it up, is "maybe if the poor weren't so stupid we wouldn't be so screwed up". I don't like either statement because I know neither one is true. And so do you.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

About whether or not we could become more than we are. I think if we promoted our intelligence, instead of sheepish consumerism, we surely would evolve more creative and conscious. This is cause and effect right?

[-] 1 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 5 years ago

You still seem to be operating under the idea that ALL human beings are the same, and that all of them are completely consumed with sheepish consumerism. I don't think that's a fair assumption at all, and I know plenty of creative and actively conscious people.

For ease-the berkeley.edu website defines evolution this way-

"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."

Unless you can pin "creativity and consciousness" to a specific gene(s) and then prove that promoting intelligence has the ability to change the frequency of those genes, then this is a specious argument at best.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

I don't have to pin anything to a gene, if you exercise your mind it will become more developed. Evolution can describe the journey of something. Now you're just badgering again.

I never said that all human beings were all the same, excuse you. But the many of us are in fact utterly bombarded by commercialism. The effort is to create appitite and the mass is devouring.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

You don't think we have screwed up? Are you even paying attention?

Would you say that an adult is more evolved than a child? This extremely indulgent society parallels the five year old mentallity so exactly. Please stop telling me what I believe and really, stop trying to twist this around. This is about forming a Union and protecting our future, or we wont have one.

This is the occupy wall street forum and the only conversation I get is a troll with negative points?

Dood, beat off.

[-] 0 points by BetsyRoss (-744) 5 years ago

Oh no. I agree that we are screwed up. But how did we manage to sidetrack evolution? If evolution drives us and the development of this planet and the species who live on it, how is this NOT the fault of evolution?

After you explain that to me, explain how you expect a society made up of '5 year old mentalities" to do what you are proposing they need to?

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

Alright you're making sense.

If we could say all things at once in a mere sentence i think we'd find that we are clashing with bits and pieces of the same thing.

It's my personal belief that when the animal we are became so conscious, it created something that evolution wasn't prepared for, like cancer, and this self destruction of our own habitat is the result.

It's my personal belief that this is an extraordinary situation because that very consciousness is capable of solving the problem, provided it can put mind over matter and sort out the addiction.

You can say it is the fault of evolution because when you throw variables together they with mathematically produce the only logical result. But i'm saying the path you take to stimulate yourself will create what you are, good or bad, and that we have a choice.

You've said that if this is what evolution wants than we should accept the death of ourselves? I've heard enough of that, whatever wins wins. It is the most lazy thing i have ever heard.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

I was just reading that direct democracy seemed to not work efficiently. It probably doesn't help that we've been dumb down so much. They've been trying to create an army of consumer sheep to enhance profit. Before i thought that the election was a puppet show, i still never voted because i didn't know anything. I figured it would do more damage to vote haphazardly.

I think if we could somehow fuel a collection of discovery from our schools and scientific institutions cross checking one another, that could be a solid platform for public scrutiny to stand on.

I was reading a post on here that was talking about a new democracy in Iceland that sounds pretty interesting, fueled by social media. There has to be some kind of balance with education. Maybe if education was free and less convoluted it would reflect better in mass.

Basically, to answer what you asked, i think that democracy, our very own educated agreements, could drive our society of ancient addictions to do what we need to do, mind over matter.


[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

What? That is not what i said. I think i'm misunderstanding what you're responding to. Too much we overcomplicate simple things. Or is this forum being attacked with fluffy detraction?

Don't make independence confusing, it's not that complicated. Nobody has the right to play god with everyone else, and without that scrutiny of all people evil will find its way in. Permaculture and community could create sustainable independence everywhere. Notice how the law has been carefully manipulated to distract us from that.

I don't know history or politics, but whoever it was promoting independence was right. Establishing a government for the people, by the people, protecting that equality is the only agreement that can survive. Yes, we need a government that is moneyless. Something has to make decisions based on life, but it must come from our collective education.

Right now the big problem is that we are addicted to their making life easy. They have made us weak with addiction, like a pimp using drugs to make their sex slave dependent, and now we are angry at that weakness. Violence is a childish tantrum, period. We can beat this and we can do it the right way, just keep it simple and don't give up.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

5) The big Questions are if Medical Care and Education will be affordable in the Future going forward.

those mechanical farms can feed the teachers and doctors

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Thank you for post.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

s o y l e n t g r e e n

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if that was also happening... This title actually came from a youtube video i thought was interesting ( http://youtu.be/Xbp6umQT58A ).

I was having a brain fart for a title, but figured at lot of things could fall into this focus point. If we could say everything at once in a mere sentence i think all of our debates would disappear. I think we'd find out that we mostly clash with bits and peices of the same thing. Oh yeah, and greed.

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

Classic movie. (Last one for Edward G Robinson I believe)

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

yes - his final scene was his final scene - amazing OT I saw an old episode of West Wing including a Harvard Constitutional law professor played by Christopher Lloyd
the character's name = Lawrence Lessig

[-] 1 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

My google search shows Lessig to be an actual Harvard prof, author & activist.

Cool. Christopher Lloyd is one of my favorites.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

Lessing is one of the national leaders in the anti-CU movement He has his ow n proposed amendment ( which is very different from others & I dont like it )
He also advocates for a constitutional con vention ( which I believe would be a disaster ) -
ALEC has spent a fortune pushing an Article V con-con

On our web page
bills & amendment #10 = Lessig's
document #7 = article V convention

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (16478) 5 years ago

I am also against the Art V scheme. Heard about ALEC involvement, which should be enough to convince anyone against that approach.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

I have to say something and I hope that good people can hear.

http://jerniwerks.angelfire.com/ was started a long time ago. Shortly after it went online some people entered my life, played mind games, forced me to be homeless (is actually quite nice), and made it clear that if i tried to unite people they would bury me. That ended my artwork.

I have no death wish, but i also cannot neglect saying this.

If they are so afraid of people forming a Union that is exactly what has to happen. We need this, an open source organisation, fueled by every person, which can hold and champion that wisdom, to vote in or out anything that we need to, not only a puppet for president.

I don't understand how somebody could disagree with installing our collective wisdom at the top chain of command, because it is in the best interest of our situation and every person. They must be greedy, jealous, one dimensional, and not care about any future beyond themselves.

We have made everything so overcomplicated it's amazing that any of us can see straight. About 90% of politics could be deleted and we would still be able to say the same things. So much junk and wasted art. So much concrete and wasted space. So much hate and wasted life.

People you are awesome, give your best to everyone. Good Luck.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

You are right I don't know what you are trying to say. Maybe you could develope the ideas a little more, or restructure the Post somehow with Bullet points. It is hard to pull points out of your post.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

You don't have to delete anything. I'm living with two other people right now, one with an extreme anxiety disorder. If we ever stop talking the blind assumptions create bad impressions.

There was another interesting post on here about tyranny and democracy. Both sides of tyranny are imbedded in us from the animal, like S&M, part of us just likes being controlled, such as parent and kid relationships maybe.

The only point i have to make is that when it comes to making such important decisions, i'd rather trust the collective wisdom of all people than the megalomania of a few.

Sadly, what we have to work with is litterally set in concrete. How can you grow your own food if everything is private property and pavement? We are imprisoned in dependency with tremendous addictions to effortless living.

This is our government. We have the right to agree on change, with or without the president. We could install a new system of democracy at the snap of our fingers. What the hell are we waiting for?

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 5 years ago

You need to expand your home base; there's plenty of private property on which to plant your permacultural garden.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

But not for everyone and not everywhere. We all can't move to your neck of the woods, you wouldn't want that. We have a great government, but it needs some rescuing.

Why do private companies control our vital resources of the planet anyway? If the government represents all people like it could, shouldn't all people own the planet? Anyone should be able to offer a good idea, not just people buying bad ones.

[-] -1 points by yobstreet (-575) 5 years ago

You cannot live for everyone or maintain a continuous presence everywhere.

[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (448) 5 years ago

The government doesn't have to live for everyone, people and communities can take care of themselves. The government should only support this. I'm not sure what you mean.

It's not a matter of continuous presence. It's a small world after all. Private companies are doing things to us and our planet that we don't agree with, but somehow we have no way to vote about it.

It's just my opinion that the government, if it were based on the collective wisdom of all people, should be the deciding factor of our planet and the vital resources we have to work with.

Really how hard would it be to offer a period of free education followed by our right to vote? Things have become so overcomplicated that i think we have forgotten how simple they are.